Why I Made The Switch From Conservative To The Liberal Party

I don't see any difference, what so ever between the Canadian conservative leadership and the american one, except the american ones are in power and do not need to hide anything.

The Canadian ones have a lot to hide. After all this is a liberal country.


For example: instead of declaring themselves "christian" zionists, they accuse liberals of anti-semitism (Harper in the house of commons "Mackenzie King was anti-semitic")

etc

Liberal values of stealing, lying, cheating and corruption are the new values that Canadians want to hold dear - so everyone should join the Liberals.

Who cares about the old Canadian values, these days we look to organizations like the United Nations for examples of leadership. They get to steal, cheat and lie - so Canadians should too. The newly-minted millionaire Liberals in Quebec certainly appreciate these new Canadian values!

The children of Canada will certainly be learning these lessons well - the future of Canada will be a much nastier place, so steal whatever you can now!

That stealing is not right is a value that all Canadians subscribe to. The fact that it happened in the Liberal Party or among people affiliated to the party in some way does not disgrace the entire party.

You can find corruption in every sort of government, be they Liberal, Conservative, Socialist, etc.

Who do you trust then? The opposition who has done nothing but copy Liberal policies and work themselves up in a lather over Adscam or the party that admits culpability and takes measures to clean up the mess?

This country has been mired in gridlock and paralysis for far too long. The guilty people are being investigated, and once we have the final Gomery report, measures will be taken to deal with them as well as to prevent this sort of thing happening again.

An excellent observation. If had a choice, I'd take the US Republicans who are out in the open over the CPC that is still "in the closet". After all, you can only oppose and fight what you know, not something you merely suspect.

But thanks to recent events, Canadians are getting a clearer picture now of what the CPC really stands for.

Just for the record: another example that illustrates the desperation and infantility of CPC members is the fact that I have been getting tons of hate mails from CPC members and supporters. The language they use shows two things: a) they still have a lot of growing-up to do and b) leaving that party and joining the Liberals was 200% the right thing to do.

I became a Liberal upon arrival to Canada, at the peak of the Trudeaumania. Once inside the party, I realized quickly that they were saying one thing and doing another however, my many contacts high-up, were swearing to me that things were about to change. Gradually, I participated less and less and then the Reform Party came along, saying all the right things and having a plan to correct the wrongs that had been accumulating at the hands of the Liberals. Imagine that! A Plan! As a Liberal, I had never seen a plan (even to this day) unless it was to malign, discredit or libel an opponent.

Needless to say, I was elated and join the Reform Party. Since then, I have discovered more dirt, conniving, outright thievery, abuse of power, discrimination, misuse and disrespect of/for the taxpayers (') hard earned money, destruction of our Canadian Forces, disdain for our veterans, disregard for the lives of our soldiers, outright discrimination for Christians, deliberate deterioration of the true and typical Canadian values and morals on which this country was founded, a concerted effort to keep out of the game, all people of true faith and, the most outrageous deception and vicious attacks on the Conservative Party of Canada and its members, than ever before. All of that, in the party I once belonged to (with great shame for that time of weakness)!

My name is neither Scott Brison, nor Belinda Stronach, so when I made the switch to the Reform party, I didn't do it for gain, but for conviction.

After all that I have seen and the horrendous scandals that have plagued the successive Liberal governments, there is no cabinet position, nor enough money in the Liberal coffers, that would make me switch again.

By-the way. To those naive people who repeat parrot-style, the Liberal lies, get a life! Those who have swallowed the lie that only a few bad apples are responsible for the scam, better drink a lot of water to get that down your pipes! There were more people high-up the ladder, involved in this crap, that we shall ever know. Why? Because the trick of waiting for the Gomery Inquiry to end is nothing but another Liberal scam. The terms of reference of the Inquiry, doesn't even allow Judge Gomery to render judgment, point fingers, or even report to Canadians. He has to report to the government. Now, we all know what Liberal governments have done in the past with those pesky inquiries and those pesky reports, don't we?

Has anyone forgotten that Pablo was the Finance Minister in the Chrétien years, and therefore the second most powerful man in the government? Has anyone forgotten that Pablo took ten years to plot against his boss, and had sympathizers and spies everywhere? If he didn't know about the AdScam, he was incompetent enough, that all decent Canadians would be glad to get rid of him!

Therefore, my fellow Canadians, YOU'VE BEEN HAD AGAIN! Clever guy that Pablo, isn't he?

As for the derogatory statements made in the letter below, I believe that abacus either doesn't know how to keep score or he was in a different party than I am. As a member of the Board of my EDA, a past President twice and First V.P. three times, I have never received any directive not to discuss the desirability of a summer election, nor to do or not to do (or say) anything else. Proof of abacus' lies is the fact that the CPC is the ONLY party to have allowed its MPs a free vote on same-sex "marriage"! Even the so-called New "Democratic" Party, has shown no democracy on the matter.

Abacus says he is concerned with "thought control" in the CPC. Wow! This coming from a party responsible for the passing of a law that absolutely forbids people to disagree in public with the homosexual lifestyle, among other things! This from a member of the party who's pushing for same-sex marriage, which has already been proven, it will largely suppress freedom of religion, one of the most fundamental freedoms of a democracy! The Liberal government has LIED to Canadians (so many times, that I almost forgot which one I was referring to), when they stated that priests, rabbis and the like will be protected under their Bill. The Federal Government has NO JURISDICTION on marriages, it falls under Provincial jurisdiction.

Welcome abacus, to the lying party! I hope you're both very happy with each other!

Pelayo

I had to get this off my chest before I went to bed.

-Paul Martin was a member of the Chretien government and cabinet. Many of the members of the Martin government were also members of the Chretien government. Blaming the Chreiten goverment for ADSCAM would also involve indicting most members of the Martin goverment.

-Paul Martin was second only to Chretien within the Liberal Party during ADSCAM. Paul Martin was also Finance Minister under Chretien during the ADSCAM years. Therefore Martin must take responsibility for much of ADSCAM. This is because....

-As Finance Minister Martin should have known that something was going on. ADSCAM involved that nation's finances and at the time Paul Martin was the Minister in charge of Finance. He was either involved in ADSCAM or is to be faulted for not knowing what was going on. Either way he may not be guilty, but he is not innocent.

-The claim that all governments are corrupt would not only imply that the Martin goverment is corrupt as well, but is a circular arguement that is devoid of logic. What is logical though is the concept that absolute power corrupts absolutely.

-The Conservatives have always been open and honest inregards to their policy concerning the United States. They are far from being in the closet as you claim, and your assertion that they are and your declaration that you would take AMERICAN republicans over CANADIAN conservatives is both embarrassing and scary. Perhaps then you have an agenda?

-The Liberal Party (a continentalist party like the Conservative Party) is living in denial. At always the right moment the Liberals spew their tired and old anti-Americanism, and people not only applaud such remarks, but believe them when they say it. The same people are then shocked to see people like Paul Martin and John Manley push integration with the United States, and then turn around and blame it on the Conservatives! I give the Conservatives credit and respect even though I oppose their policies. At least they are upfront about their policy concerning our relations with the United States.

-Canada is not a Liberal country. Only a supporter of the Liberal Party would claim such a ridiculous thing. Canada is a socially progressive country, which hardly qualifies it as being Liberal. The Progressive Conservative Party was socially progressive, the New Democratic Party is socially progressive. The Conservative Party of the present is divided, with the social conservatives in control and wielding the most influence. This is clear. You claims have no basis in reality.

-The Conservatives do not copy the Liberals. The very essence of Liberalism is to copy the ideas of other parties and individuals. Liberalism is devoid of an ideology, it must therefore rely on taking the best of what other parties have to offer, and then offer it as their own idea or concept. Liberalism is pragmatism disguised as progressiveness.

-Furthermore the Gas Tax included in the Martin government's budget for 2005 was in 1993 a Reform Party idea that the Liberals strongly opposed. But being a Liberal Party and having no capacity for original thought on their own, they finally decided in 2005 to take the Reform Party initiative and make it their own. So the notion that the Conservatives copy the Liberals is laughable to say the least. However I will say that while the Liberals promise left and govern right (a move to the right on their part), in an attempt to "win over voters" the Conservatives are trying (and failing) to become more progressive (a move to the left on their part). One could easily say that both parties are moving closer together.

-This country has become stagnant due to the Liberal leadership of the last twelve years. This goes back to the belief that absolute power corrupts absolutely, but also because of the very nature of Liberalism. Pragmatic politics reinforce the status quo, resulting in little change. When more and more Canadians decide to turn away from the politics of the 20th Century and realise that the current system is old, obsolete, and outdated they will replace the Conservatives and the Liberals with newer and better parities that truly reflect the ideals of this country in the 21st Century. You had the chance to help in this process, but decided instead to turn to a party that seems to pride itself as being the lesser of two evils. Based on your reasoning for joining the Liberals, I am relived to say that for those of us creating a "new future" for this country, you clearly had nothing to offer our cause.

I do feel sorry for you. I also do not take anyting you have said seriously, and in the future will take all future posts by you (abacus) with a grain of salt. You have reached a point in your political life where you believe you are absolutely correct in your decision to join the Liberals. Therefore I doubt you can respond to any such criticism with sincerity or honesty on your part. I am not absolutely sure of my position which allows me to remain objective, a far more healthier position than yours. At some point in our lives we must decide between what is right and what is easy. And for you, it's easy to live a lie or for that matter believe in one.

Pelayo,<br />
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Don't call other people liars just for the hell of it.<br />
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I have proof of what I wrote:<br />
<a href="http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20050502.wtory0502/BNStory/National/">http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20050502.wtory0502/BNStory/National/</a><br />
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Tories were told to keep mum on constituents' wishes. Simple as that. I only write things I can back up, unlike those right-wingers from the Reform party.

<b>What an ignoramous view of Martin and his cronies. Here's a site for you and if that fails, look into CANADA STEAMSHIP LINES and its former CEO:</b> http://www.paulmartintime.ca<br><br>

After reading all these posts, I have one comment, when someone wrote that 'all governments or political parties are corrupt', I feel that statement is the problem. We have come to accept in part that belief, we don't like it, we say we don't accept it, but yet in reality we do. We do not express our outrage at being denied truth, accountability and transparencies from our government. We in part are participating because we have come to believe that part of the system, or part of the idea of politics in general is that some are corrupt, or that there will always be some level of corruption which we have to accept. That to me is part of the problem. We have to stop accepting it. It is, plainly speaking, totally unacceptable, always has been and always will, but until we the people start speaking out and backing up our words at the polls, we will never be taken seriously. You cannot send a message that says one thing, when your actions say, 'well, we don't like it but...'

When Mulroney got involved in the scandals it was buried, in my opinion, in part because we didn't really know, we are not told by our media and we really don't have time for all this, even though so much of our future is at stake! We have to start making time to know about our business, and to demand answers, demand that politicians act in a manner respectful of the office, respectful of the people they are sworn to serve. I don't think we will ever have good government until we demand, with reprocussions and penalties, serious penalties, for those who chose to serve themselves at our expense. We have to stop accepting the spin.

As for abucus, if you believe you have found the party that suits your values, then best wishes, I prefer to see someone, who has done their homework and then make a decision, then someone who blindly follows the media rhetoric or generational loyalty based on a party which no longer exists. I don't actually believe there is a difference between the Lib and Con due in part to the fact that so many current politicians have crossed the floor, or changed parties when the wind blows in a different direction. It appears that the motive is personal gratification more than moral or ethical beliefs. Both those parties are working very hard to help with the corporate agenda and neither seems to care about the country or the people. Mulroney(cons)started the crippling policies of free trade, gst, ruining the Bank of Canada and our monetary control, the Libs campaign against and then followed the same path. There really is no difference, the goal is the same, only the choice of tools, and the application that is different. That is just the way I see it.

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If I stand for my country today...will my country be here to stand for me tomorrow?

Wow! So from Liberal to Conservatives and back again and you bother to rationalize it. Obviously the diatribe you site is illogical and irrational. On what rational basis to you try to logically decide the PC's were "gobbled up" by the Reform Party? Oh what logical or rational basis to you decide that Chretinites were fraudulent thieves by Martinites are not? These are nonsensical and subjective meant to support a wishy washy political person, who goes with the wind. It is only heartening to see you give such soft support to anyone you support, as it is worth what they are paying for it; nothing! I would hope the Liberals would shun you and the Conservatives would not welcome you back. It seems to me, with supporters like you, any party does not need opposition. Take a stand for what is right, not for your jaundiced, prejudicial fleeting view of a political landscape you have drawn for yourself. It is not reality you know?

So take a deep breath have a reality check and support the party that does what best meets your personal beliefs and strong moral values of the rule of law. Don't be afraid to take a stand and don't speak of such foolishness as "centralized" thought process control by any party, this is simply demeaning and ridiculous subjective opinion instead of rational thought. It is right up there with the Roswell conspiracy theorists that suggest aliens have invaded the earth. I suppose you will next try to convince us they are all Harperites! Give us a break and intelligent dialogue, won't you?

Intelligent, rational discourse with proof and conviction of one's beliefs, very nice to read. I am not a Conservative, a Liberal or any other party member, but I am intelligent enough to spot "spin" and "political bedfellows" for the liars and cheats that they are and will continue to be. The budget that Jack built or the Parliament that Belinda kept in power, were both bought with our money, like the last three elections and years in power. Martin is skilled and a true political master at utilizing our money for his own petty political purposes and this we should admire? Is it really not obvious to even those ill educated amongst us, how right your points are logically and rationally?

CANADIAN ACTION PARTY!!!

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Dave Ruston

Steal what you can now eh? Just like Mulroney and his CON buddies did in the 80's. Free plane ride anyone?

"all people of true faith " and "homosexual Lifestyle" eh?

Yeah, your true colours are shining through - black, oily and filled with intolerance. Another Socially Conservative CPC member shows us what the party is really about. Back to the tar pits with the other dinosaurs!