1 In 3 US Students: Press Has Too Much Freedom

I thought Vive le Canada was about Canada, but nearly every contributed article is about the USA. I hate America and Americans as much as any other Canadian, and I understand as well as anyone here that their fascist ideology and house-of-cards economy is weeks away from collapse, but I can pick up that news anywhere. Let's talk about Canada and the issues we face.

I guess this is the natural result of 20 or more years of authoritarian indoctrination. And a cynic might well say that one third of the population are too stupid to come in out of the rain anyway, so what do you expect. However, to be fair we need a similar poll taken in other countries.

Has it occurred to you that hating an entire nation of people says more about you than it does about them?

Sorry, but this attitude is a prerequisite for posting to the Vive le Canada website; most of the other postings have hatred of America and Americans at their root. Check it out for yourself.

Utter irrational nonsense! lets call it Trollspeak!

Actually I think you are confusing the american people with the american government. If you talk to people that have met american people, the majority of them are nice. Don't get brainwashed by media ie t.v. etc.. reality is different. Do you think the american people want to see people suffer in different parts of the world because of their governments actions. If our canadian government did the same thing in the world as the american government, everbody would hate canadians, but we know we are a nice bunch of people. Its a small evil minority that is scapegoating the nice decent majority.

has it occurred to anyone to note that this section is "eye on America?"

United States congress is controlled by Israel.

Yahoo is controlled by a Zionist

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Let's not divert ourselves into a debate about our attitude towards Americans that the trolls would lead us to, but consider instead the gist of the original comment. I read the postings, too, and very few of the articles and comments deal with what I think is the elephant in the room that no one will speak about. That elephant is the creeping independence of Quebec. Day after day, year after year the citizens of Quebec are preparing themselves and the world for nationhood. Yet our government continues to take the "please don't leave Canada, what else can we do for you?" approach to the issue. It sounds a bit paranoid, I know, but sometimes I think keeping the focus on America as the main threat is the way the PTB keep us from addressing this serious threat to Canadian sovereignty.

Education is as bad in the US as it is here apparently. It would be interesting to see the same survey done in Canada.

Finally a Canadian with the cajones to openly say what is so blatantly obvious to me. "I hate America and the Americans as much as anybody else"

How refreshing.

As for the original article, all that proves to me is that younger people are ignorant and naive (yet think they know everything).

These American, students so methodically brainwashed, do they know of the agression of the ruling class ?<br />
I rather doubt it.<br />
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Canadian students fare little better if at all <br />
as the texts are from American publishing houses<br />
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the pro american trolls here wilfully ignore the verified info from several sites dealing with the "Dummying Down" factor<br />
<a href="http://www.deliberatedumbingdown.com/">http://www.deliberatedumbingdown.com/</a><br />
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<a href="http://www.johntaylorgatto.com/historytour/history1.htm">http://www.johntaylorgatto.com/historytour/history1.htm</a><br />
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<a href="http://www.mega.nu:8080/ampp/">http://www.mega.nu:8080/ampp/</a><br />
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<a href="http://www.chicagomediawatch.org/conf2002report.html">http://www.chicagomediawatch.org/conf2002report.html</a><br />
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On November 2, 2002, Chicago Media Watch hosted a conference to examine how the history, media, and the law can perpetuate propaganda. Experts in these fields came from around the country to lecture on the propaganda machine operating in the U.S. today. <br />
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Setting the tone for the day, University of Illinois (Chicago) Distinguished Professor of Education Bill Ayers spoke of the educational process in the U.S., and how our students are rarely exposed to independent thought or critical thinking. Rather, students are programmed for uniformity and group think. In dummying down the American mind, American graduates become the easy prey for propaganda techniques. They do not ask questions; they accept the buzz words, slogans and cliches, and are easily manipulated by the constant threats of the next terror attack<br />
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From Wounded Knee to Afghanistan<br />
a century of US military interventions<br />
<br />
Compiled by Zoltan Grossman <br />
(revised October 8, 2001) <br />
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U.S. military spending ($343 billion in the year 2000) is 69 percent greater than that of the next five highest nations combined. Russia, which has the second largest military budget, spends less than one-sixth what the United States does. Iraq, Libya, North Korea, Cuba, Sudan, Iran, and Syria spend $14.4 billion combined; Iran accounts for 52 percent of this total. <br />
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The following is a partial list of U.S. military interventions from 1890 to 2000. This guide does NOT include demonstration duty by military police, mobilizations of the National Guard, offshore shows of naval strength, reinforcements of embassy personnel, the use of non-Defense Department personnel (such as the Drug Enforcement Agency), military exercises, non-combat mobilizations (such as replacing postal strikers), the permanent stationing of armed forces, covert actions where the U.S. did not play a command and control role, the use of small hostage rescue units, most uses of proxy troops, U.S. piloting of foreign warplanes, foreign disaster assistance, military training and advisory programs not involving direct combat, civic action programs, and many other military activities. <br />
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Among sources used, besides news reports, are the Congressional Record (23 June 1969), 180 Landings by the U.S. Marine Corps History Division, Ege & Makhijani in Counterspy (July-Aug. 1982), and Daniel Ellsberg in Protest & Survive. "Instances of Use of United States Forces Abroad, 1798-1993" by Ellen C. Collier of the Library of Congress Congressional Research Service. <br />
<br />
<br />
<br />
SOUTH DAKOTA<br />
1890 (-?)<br />
Troops<br />
300 Lakota Indians massacred at Wounded Knee. <br />
<br />
ARGENTINA<br />
1890<br />
Troops<br />
Buenos Aires interests protected. <br />
<br />
CHILE<br />
1891<br />
Troops<br />
Marines clash with nationalist rebels. <br />
<br />
HAITI<br />
1891<br />
Troops<br />
Black workers revolt on U.S.-claimed Navassa Island defeated. <br />
<br />
IDAHO<br />
1892<br />
Troops<br />
Army suppresses silver miners' strike. <br />
<br />
HAWAII<br />
1893 (-?)<br />
Naval, troops<br />
Independent kingdom overthrown, annexed. <br />
<br />
CHICAGO<br />
1894<br />
Troops<br />
Breaking of rail strike, 34 killed <br />
<br />
NICARAGUA<br />
1894<br />
Troops<br />
Month-long occupation of Bluefields. <br />
<br />
CHINA<br />
1894-95<br />
Naval, troops<br />
Marines land in Sino-Jap War. <br />
<br />
KOREA<br />
1894-96<br />
Troops<br />
Marines kept in Seoul during war. <br />
<br />
PANAMA<br />
1895<br />
Troops, naval<br />
Marines land in Colombian province. <br />
<br />
NICARAGUA<br />
1896<br />
Troops <br />
Marines land in port of Corinto. <br />
<br />
CHINA<br />
1898-1900<br />
Troops / Boxer Rebellion fought by foreign armies. <br />
<br />
PHILIPPINES<br />
1898-1910(-?)<br />
Naval, troops<br />
Seized from Spain, killed<br />
600,000 Filipinos. <br />
<br />
CUBA<br />
1898-1902(-?)<br />
Naval, troops<br />
Seized from Spain, still hold Navy base. <br />
<br />
PUERTO RICO<br />
1898(-?)<br />
Naval, troops<br />
Seized from Spain, occupation<br />
continues. <br />
<br />
GUAM<br />
1898(-?)<br />
Naval, troops / Seized from Spain, still used as base. <br />
<br />
MINNESOTA<br />
1898(-?)<br />
Troops<br />
Army battles Chippewa at Leech Lake. <br />
<br />
NICARAGUA<br />
1898<br />
Troops<br />
Marines land at port of San Juan del Sur. <br />
<br />
SAMOA<br />
1899(-?)<br />
Troops<br />
Battle over succession to throne. <br />
<br />
NICARAGUA<br />
1899<br />
Troops / Marines land at port of Bluefields. <br />
<br />
IDAHO<br />
1899-1901<br />
Troops / Army occupies Coeur d'Alene mining region. <br />
<br />
OKLAHOMA<br />
1901<br />
Troops<br />
Army battles Creek Indian revolt. <br />
<br />
PANAMA<br />
1901-14<br />
Naval, troops<br />
Broke off from Colombia 1903, annexed Canal Zone 1914-99. <br />
<br />
HONDURAS<br />
1903<br />
Troops<br />
Marines intervene in revolution. <br />
<br />
DOMINICAN REP.<br />
1903-04<br />
Troops<br />
U.S. interests protected in Revolution. <br />
<br />
KOREA<br />
1904-05<br />
Troops<br />
Marines land in Russo-Japanese War. <br />
<br />
CUBA<br />
1906-09<br />
Troops / Marines land in democratic election. <br />
<br />
NICARAGUA<br />
1907<br />
Troops<br />
"Dollar Diplomacy" protectorate set up. <br />
<br />
HONDURAS<br />
1907<br />
Troops<br />
Marines land during war with Nicaragua. <br />
<br />
PANAMA<br />
1908<br />
Troops / Marines intervene in election contest. <br />
<br />
NICARAGUA<br />
1910<br />
Troops<br />
Marines land in Bluefields and Corinto. <br />
<br />
HONDURAS<br />
1911<br />
Troops / U.S. interests protected in civil war. <br />
<br />
CHINA<br />
1911-41<br />
Naval, troops<br />
Continuous occupation with flare-ups. <br />
<br />
CUBA<br />
1912<br />
Troops / U.S. interests protected in Havana. <br />
<br />
PANAMA<br />
19l2<br />
Troops / Marines land during heated election. <br />
<br />
HONDURAS<br />
19l2<br />
Troops / Marines protect U.S. economic interests. <br />
<br />
NICARAGUA<br />
1912-33<br />
Troops, bombing<br />
20-year occupation, fought guerrillas. <br />
<br />
MEXICO<br />
19l3<br />
Naval / Americans evacuated during revolution. <br />
<br />
DOMINICAN REPUBLIC<br />
1914<br />
Naval / Fight with rebels over Santo Domingo. <br />
<br />
COLORADO<br />
1914<br />
Troops / Breaking of miners' strike by Army. <br />
<br />
MEXICO<br />
1914-18<br />
Naval, troops<br />
Series of interventions against<br />
nationalists. <br />
<br />
HAITI<br />
1914-34<br />
Troops, bombing<br />
19-year occupation after revolts. <br />
<br />
DOMINICAN REPUBLIC<br />
1916-24<br />
Troops<br />
8-year Marine occupation. <br />
<br />
CUBA<br />
1917-33<br />
Troops / Military occupation, economic protectorate. <br />
<br />
WORLD WAR I<br />
19l7-18<br />
Naval, troops<br />
Ships sunk, fought Germany <br />
<br />
RUSSIA<br />
1918-22<br />
Naval, troops<br />
Five landings to fight Bolsheviks. <br />
<br />
PANAMA<br />
1918-20<br />
Troops<br />
"Police duty" during unrest after elections. <br />
<br />
YUGOSLAVIA<br />
1919<br />
Troops<br />
Marines intervene for Italy against Serbs in Dalmatia.<br />
<br />
HONDURAS<br />
1919<br />
Troops<br />
Marines land during election campaign. <br />
<br />
GUATEMALA<br />
1920<br />
Troops<br />
2-week intervention against unionists. <br />
<br />
WEST VIRGINIA<br />
1920-21<br />
Troops, bombing<br />
Army intervenes against<br />
mineworkers. <br />
<br />
TURKEY<br />
1922<br />
Troops<br />
Fought nationalists in Smyrna (Izmir). <br />
<br />
CHINA<br />
1922-27<br />
Naval, troops<br />
Deployment during nationalist revolt. <br />
<br />
HONDURAS<br />
1924-25<br />
Troops<br />
Landed twice during election strife. <br />
<br />
PANAMA<br />
1925<br />
Troops / Marines suppress general strike. <br />
<br />
CHINA<br />
1927-34<br />
Troops / Marines stationed throughout the country. <br />
<br />
EL SALVADOR<br />
1932<br />
Naval / Warships sent during Farabundo Marti revolt. <br />
<br />
WASHINGTON DC<br />
1932<br />
Troops / Army stops WWI vet bonus protest. <br />
<br />
WORLD WAR II<br />
1941-45<br />
Naval,troops, bombing, nuclear<br />
Fought Axis for 3<br />
years; 1st nuclear war. <br />
<br />
DETROIT<br />
1943<br />
Troops <br />
<br />
Army puts down Black rebellion. <br />
<br />
IRAN<br />
1946<br />
Nuclear threat<br />
Soviet troops told to leave north (Iranian<br />
Azerbaijan). <br />
<br />
YUGOSLAVIA<br />
1946<br />
Naval / Response to shooting-down of U.S. plane. <br />
<br />
URUGUAY<br />
1947<br />
Nuclear threat<br />
Bombers deployed as show of strength. <br />
<br />
GREECE<br />
1947-49<br />
Command operation<br />
U.S. directs extreme-right in civil war. <br />
<br />
CHINA<br />
1948-49<br />
Troops<br />
Marines evacuate Americans before Communist victory.<br />
<br />
GERMANY<br />
1948<br />
Nuclear threat<br />
Atomic-capable bombers guard Berlin Airlift. <br />
<br />
PHILIPPINES<br />
1948-54<br />
Command operation<br />
CIA directs war against Huk<br />
Rebellion. <br />
<br />
PUERTO RICO<br />
1950<br />
Command operation<br />
Independence rebellion crushed in<br />
Ponce. <br />
<br />
KOREA<br />
1950-53<br />
Troops, naval, bombing, nuclear threats<br />
U.S.& South Korea fight China & North Korea to stalemate; A-bomb threat in 1950, & vs. China in 1953. Still have bases. <br />
<br />
IRAN<br />
1953<br />
Command operation<br />
CIA overthrows democracy, installs Shah. <br />
<br />
VIETNAM<br />
1954<br />
Nuclear threat<br />
Bombs offered to French to use against siege. <br />
<br />
GUATEMALA<br />
1954<br />
Command operation, bombing, nuclear threat CIA directs exile invasion after new govt nationalizes U.S. company lands; bombers based in Nicaragua. <br />
<br />
EGYPT<br />
1956<br />
Nuclear threat, troops<br />
Soviets told to keep out of Suez crisis; MArines evacuate foreigners<br />
<br />
LEBANON<br />
1958<br />
Troops, naval / Marine occupation against rebels. <br />
<br />
IRAQ<br />
1958<br />
Nuclear threat<br />
Iraq warned against invading Kuwait. <br />
<br />
CHINA<br />
1958<br />
Nuclear threat<br />
China told not to move on Taiwan isles. <br />
<br />
PANAMA<br />
1958<br />
Troops / Flag protests erupt into confrontation. <br />
<br />
VIETNAM<br />
1960-75<br />
Troops, naval, bombing, nuclear threats Fought South Vietnam revolt & North Vietnam; 1-2 million killed in longest U.S. war; atomic bomb threats in 1968 and 1969. <br />
<br />
CUBA<br />
1961<br />
Command operation CIA-directed exile invasion fails. <br />
<br />
GERMANY<br />
1961<br />
Nuclear threat Alert during Berlin Wall crisis. <br />
<br />
CUBA<br />
1962<br />
Nuclear threat, Naval<br />
Blockade during missile crisis; near-war with USSR.<br />
<br />
LAOS<br />
1962<br />
Command operation<br />
Military buildup during guerrilla war.<br />
<br />
PANAMA<br />
1964<br />
Troops / Panamanians shot for urging canal's return. <br />
<br />
INDONESIA<br />
1965<br />
Command operation Million killed in CIA-assisted army coup. <br />
<br />
DOMINICAN REPUBLIC<br />
1965-66<br />
Troops, bombing Marines land during election campaign. <br />
<br />
GUATEMALA<br />
1966-67<br />
Command operation Green Berets intervene against rebels. <br />
<br />
DETROIT<br />
1967<br />
Troops / Army battles Blacks, 43 killed. <br />
<br />
UNITED STATES<br />
1968<br />
Troops / After King is shot; over 21,000 soldiers in cities. <br />
<br />
CAMBODIA<br />
1969-75<br />
Bombing, troops, naval Up to 2 million killed in decade of bombing, starvation, and political chaos. <br />
<br />
OMAN<br />
1970<br />
Command operation U.S. directs Iranian marine invasion. <br />
<br />
LAOS<br />
1971-73<br />
Command operation, bombing U.S. directs South Vietnamese invasion; "carpet-bombs" countryside. <br />
<br />
SOUTH DAKOTA<br />
1973<br />
Command operation Army directs Wounded Knee siege of Lakotas. <br />
<br />
MIDEAST<br />
1973<br />
Nuclear threat World-wide alert during Mideast War. <br />
<br />
CHILE<br />
1973<br />
Command operation CIA-backed coup ousts elected marxist president. <br />
<br />
CAMBODIA<br />
1975<br />
Troops, bombing Gas captured ship, 28 die in copter crash. <br />
<br />
ANGOLA<br />
1976-92<br />
Command operation CIA assists South African-backed rebels. <br />
<br />
IRAN<br />
1980<br />
Troops, nuclear threat, aborted bombing Raid to rescue Emba-ssy hostages; 8 troops die in copter-plane crash. Soviets war-ned not to get involved in revolution. <br />
<br />
LIBYA<br />
1981<br />
Naval jets Two Libyan jets shot down in maneuvers. <br />
<br />
EL SALVADOR<br />
1981-92<br />
Command operation, troops Advisors, overflights aid anti-rebel war, soldiers briefly involved in hostage clash. <br />
<br />
NICARAGUA<br />
1981-90<br />
Command operation, naval CIA directs exile (Contra) invasions, plants harbor mines against revolution. <br />
<br />
LEBANON<br />
1982-84<br />
Naval, bombing, troops Marines expel PLO and back Phalangists, Navy bombs and shells Muslim and Syrian positions. <br />
<br />
HONDURAS<br />
1983-89<br />
Troops / Maneuvers help build bases near borders.<br />
<br />
GRENADA<br />
1983-84<br />
Troops, bombing Invasion four years after revolution. <br />
<br />
IRAN<br />
1984<br />
Jets / Two Iranian jets shot down over Persian Gulf.<br />
<br />
LIBYA<br />
1986<br />
Bombing, naval Air strikes to topple nationalist gov't. <br />
<br />
BOLIVIA<br />
1986<br />
Troops ArI disagreeists raids on cocaine region. <br />
<br />
IRAN<br />
1987-88<br />
Naval, bombing US intervenes on side of Iraq in war. <br />
<br />
LIBYA<br />
1989<br />
Naval jets Two Libyan jets shot down. <br />
<br />
VIRGIN ISLANDS<br />
1989<br />
Troops <br />
St. Croix Black unrest after storm. <br />
<br />
PHILIPPINES<br />
1989<br />
Jets / Air cover provided for government against coup. <br />
<br />
PANAMA<br />
1989-90<br />
Troops, bombing<br />
Nationalist government ousted by 27,000 soldiers, leaders arrested, 2000+ killed. <br />
<br />
LIBERIA<br />
1990<br />
Troops<br />
Foreigners evacuated during civil war. <br />
<br />
SAUDI ARABIA<br />
1990-91<br />
Troops, jets Iraq countered after invading Kuwait; 540,000 troops also stationed in Oman, Qatar, Bahrain, UAE, Israel. <br />
<br />
IRAQ<br />
1990-?<br />
Bombing, troops, naval Blockade of Iraqi and Jordanian ports, air strikes; 200,000+ killed in invasion of Iraq and Kuwait; no-fly zone over Kurdish north, Shiite south, large-scale destruction of Iraqi military. <br />
<br />
KUWAIT<br />
1991<br />
Naval, bombing, troops Kuwait royal family returned to throne.<br />
<br />
LOS ANGELES<br />
1992<br />
Troops<br />
Army, Marines deployed against anti-police uprising. <br />
<br />
SOMALIA<br />
1992-94<br />
Troops, naval, bombing U.S.-led United Nations occupation during civil war; raids against one Mogadishu faction.<br />
<br />
YUGOSLAVIA<br />
1992-94<br />
Naval Nato blockade of Serbia and Montenegro. <br />
<br />
BOSNIA<br />
1993-95<br />
Jets, bombing No-fly zone patrolled in civil war; downed jets, bombed Serbs. <br />
<br />
HAITI<br />
1994-96<br />
Troops, naval<br />
Blockade against military government; troops restore President Aristide to office three years after coup. <br />
<br />
CROATIA<br />
1995<br />
Bombing<br />
Krajina Serb airfields attacked before Croatian offensive.<br />
<br />
ZAIRE (CONGO)<br />
1996-97<br />
Troops<br />
Marines at Rwandan Hutu refuge camps, in area where Congo revolution begins. <br />
<br />
LIBERIA <br />
1997<br />
Troops<br />
Soldiers under fire during evacuation of foreigners. <br />
<br />
ALBANIA<br />
1997<br />
Troops<br />
Soldiers under fire during evacuation of foreigners. <br />
<br />
SUDAN<br />
1998<br />
Missiles<br />
Attack on pharmaceutical plant alleged to be "terrorist" nerve gas plant. <br />
<br />
AFGHANISTAN<br />
1998<br />
Missiles<br />
Attack on former CIA training camps used by Islamic fundamentalist groups alleged to have attacked embassies. <br />
<br />
IRAQ<br />
1998-?<br />
Bombing, Missiles<br />
Four days of intensive air strikes after weapons inspectors allege Iraqi obstructions. <br />
<br />
YUGOSLAVIA<br />
1999-?<br />
Bombing, Missiles<br />
Heavy NATO air strikes after Serbia declines to withdraw from Kosovo. <br />
<br />
YEMEN<br />
2000<br />
Naval <br />
Suicide bomb attack on USS Cole.<br />
<br />
MACEDONIA<br />
2001<br />
Troops<br />
NATO troops shift and partially disarm Albanian rebels.<br />
<br />
UNITED STATES<br />
2001<br />
Jets, naval<br />
Response to hijacking attacks.<br />
<br />
AFGHANISTAN<br />
2001<br />
Massive U.S. mobilization to attack Taliban, Bin Laden. War could expand to Iraq, Sudan, and beyond.<br />
(The first bombing began on October 7, 2001. Several Afghan cities come under aerial attack. The story continues).<br />
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This post only demonstrates that humans are violent, so what, the US is certainly not the only nation to have used their military forces over the past century, perhaps if you read a little history you'll discover others.

It is sad but very telling, in a country that raves endlessly about promoting "freedom" all around the world, that such a large number of young people don't even want the few basic "freedoms" they enjoy now. It doesn't bode well for the future.

I fear that if one takes a closer look at the changing face of our southern neighbour, they would find that most real freedoms there are disappearing fast. The biggest "freedom" left is for the rich, greedy, powerful and predatory to take what ever they want by ever means they choose. For many others, the best "freedom" they can hope for is to fall in line, do what they are told and shut up. Or else! If you doubt that, perhaps you could ask the musicians, the writers and the TV commentators who spoke out against the the president, the workers who got fired for smoking in their own homes, the black voters in Ohio who waited in line for ten hours to vote and were then turned away, the prisoners who have been jailed for over three years without charge or trial, and all the many other examples we haven't even heard about yet.

Its because people in other countries see these things as the new face of American freedom, that they often reject the concept and struggle mightily against it. I really don't think this is how we want freedom to work in Canada either, and that is why so many us are alarmed when our government seems to be getting too close to this US administration.

But I am equally saddened to hear anyone say they hate America or Americans. They are our neighbour, a big, tough, restless neighbour it is true, but they have also been our good friend for a long time. They are suffering through a very bad spot right now. For many, perhaps most of them, the pain and the embarassment is just as maddening as it is for us. Most Americans are really good people, and we deeply diminish ourselves if we say we hate them. Most of them deserve so much better. We should not allow ourselves to be infected by their horrid right wing politics, but at the same time we must realize that they are different from us, and have different values. We should try to be their friend without being their stooge, speak out honestly and firmly about their excesses, and never, ever, let them abuse even the most humble of us. We must also stop being so overly dependent on them. We should encourage them, as you would any real friend, to be moderate and decent, and try to nudge them gently back into the broader mainstream. Above all, we must never, never even think of hating them. Hate is garbage, it is for others, not for us.

Finally, why do you think this space has become an "eye on America"? It is because what America is and does, and how we react to it, is critical to Canadian soverignty, and I thought that was what this site was all about.