So what does Noam Chomsky have to do with all this? Everything.
Put simply, it may be that many of the people who are truly angry at the “news” about Belinda Stronach intuit that there are many, many more important things to care about. There are global warming and environmental decay. There is political corruption. There is continuing takeover of the world by (daily exposed) criminal corporations. There is U.S. imperialism. There is a bewildering array of wrongs Canadian face. So why do we have to talk about Belinda Stronach, many ask?
The answer is that the Stronach case has a bearing on all the others.
Put another way, Canadian politics has four levels. The U.S. wants Canada under its heel. That is the first law of Canadian politics. Do we go under the U.S. heel? (Stephen Harper, Peter MacKay, John Manley say yes. Embrace U.S. imperialism.) Do we, instead, trade off, negotiate, stall, quaver, sometimes refuse, too often submit? (Jean Chretien and Paul Martin say yes. Do that.) Do we mount clear, U.S.-unpopular Canadian policies while still operating a system the U.S. approves of? (Jack Layton, the NDP, say yes, do that.) Do we say that to serve Canada and Canadians we have to resist U.S. encroachment, construct a different system, and face off against U.S. imperialism firmly and reasonably? (Canadian anti-imperialists say yes. Do that.)
Belinda Stronach, it would seem, left the Stephen Harper/John Manley “let’s go under the U.S. heel” camp to the “trade off, negotiate, stall, quaver, sometimes refuse, too often submit” Jean Chretien, Paul Martin camp. So what does Noam Chomsky have to do with all this? Everything.
To deal with any and all of the Canadian problems, a Canadian has to start with U.S. imperialism. Who started the Iraq war? Who (in fact) runs the World Trade Organization, the World Bank, the International Monetary Fund, NATO, the Asia Pacific Economic organization? The U.S. does.
Who defaults regularly, as a policy, on United Nations payments? Who overthrows freely elected governments as a policy? Who practices imprisonment, torture, and kidnappings of “suspects” all over the world? The U.S. does.
Who manipulates politics to say we should all “share North American resources”? Who propagandizes and indoctrinates Canadians every hour to the effect that Canadian resources and wealth are really U.S. resources and wealth? The U.S. does.
Who breaks the Canada/U.S. Free Trade Agreement daily? Who sucks in morally challenged people like John Manley, Stephen Harper, and Preston Manning? The U.S. does.
A Canadian person is not supposed to say those things. They are not acceptable to nice people when said by a Canadian. The only kind of person who can say things like that in Canada and be acceptable is a U.S. person like Noam Chomsky. Wonderful, progressive, radical, humane, thoughtful, caring Canadians read Noam Chomsky, icon of the American Dream, and they love him. If a Canadian says, as a Canadian, what Chomsky says – pointing out the effects of U.S. imperialism in Canada, most Canadians thrown up their hands and run for cover.
That is a testimony to the fact of Canadian colonial-mindedness. Especially since Noam Chomsky is, himself, a U.S. imperialist.
A what? Yes, a U.S. imperialist. When Canadian Mark Akbar and his friend made the internationally acclaimed documentary film on Noam Chomsky, I asked myself why. There was embattled, courageous, marginalized, heroic Mel Hurtig just waiting for a documentary. Follow Hurtig to speeches, radio stations, political rallies, small group discussions – to philosophical conversations about his books.
But, no. Mel Hurtig is a Canadian. That means he doesn’t matter. Noam Chomsky is a U.S. personality. He, therefore, matters.
Near the end of the documentary film, “Manufacturing Consent” (which was manufacturing consent that Noam Chomsky is more important to Canadians than Mel Hurtig), Chomsky remarks that the U.S.A. is the best country in the world to live in.
Pardon? Yes, he said it. The man who tells the world the U.S.A. is a conscienceless, ruthless, imperial power says the U.S.A. is the best country in the world to live in. He says that because he’s a U.S. imperialist. Isn’t that a contradiction. Not at all. Noam Chomsky wants a good U.S. imperialism rather than a bad U.S. imperialism. Noam Chomsky is a wonderful U.S. person who wants the U.S. empire to be a good empire not a bad one.
[Ed note: Original passage edited out; see above.]
When I used to give public speeches asking that Canadians (of birth or choice), of any colour, creed, or origin, be hired to Canadian educational and cultural positions when qualified, instead of U.S. people, something always happened.
A person with a U.S. accent would stand up in the question period and say that my remarks reminded him (or her) of someone with racist ideas. I would smile and say: “What I propose is a political solution to a political problem forcefully shaped by U.S. political policy for Canada. Unable or unwilling to come to grips with the political situation, you try to escape it by employing insulting insinuation and slander.”
[Ed note: Original passage edited out; see above.]
[Most Canadians] don’t see the four levels of Canadian politics. When Belinda Stronach leaves level one (embrace U.S. imperialism) for level two (trade off, negotiate, quaver, stall, sometimes refuse, too often submit) they ask what all the fuss is about. A meaningless person just did a meaningless thing. Why talk about it?
It wasn’t meaningless, I claim. If the NDP uses the event well, when the next federal election comes, Canadians may decide they can’t vote Liberal because of the ugly Gomery facts. They may decide they can’t vote for the Stephen Harper, Peter MacKay, John Manley “embrace U.S. imperialism” message. And so they may decide to vote NDP.
The degree to which Belinda Stronach has made that scenario more possible is the degree to which she proves she is a political phenomenon. As wonderful, progressive, radical, humane, thoughtful, caring Canadians come to realize that, they have to come to question the wisdom of [those who dismiss their opposition to U.S. imperialism as anti-Americanism].
To be anti-American is to have a truly enlightened soul. It is, moreover, to see Noam Chomsky as he really is: a bright, insightful, searching critic of bad U.S. imperialism, blind to the final reality of the U.S.A. and, therefore – even unintentionally – a cheer-leader for U.S. power and U.S. domination.
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Dave Ruston
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The quote was made in this interview:<br />
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<a href="http://www.chomsky.info/books/warfare02.htm">http://www.chomsky.info/books/warfare02.htm</a><br />
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The paragraph containing the quoted remark is as follows: <br />
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"On the other hand, there are exceptions, and Dewey and Russell are among those exceptions. But they are completely marginalized and unknown, although everybody sings praises to them, as they do to Adam Smith. What they actually said would be considered intolerable in the autocratic climate of dominant opinion. The totalitarian element of it is quite striking. The very fact that the concept "anti-American" can exist -- forget the way it's used -- exhibits a totalitarian streak that's pretty dramatic. That concept, anti-Americanism -- the only real counterpart to it in the modern world is anti-Sovietism. In the Soviet Union, the worst crime was to be anti-Soviet. That's the hallmark of a totalitarian society, to have concepts like anti-Sovietism or anti-Americanism. Here it's considered quite natural. Books on anti-Americanism, by people who are basically Stalinist clones, are highly respected. That's true of Anglo-American societies, which are strikingly the more democratic societies. I think there's a correlation there...As freedom grows, the need to coerce and control opinion also grows if you want to prevent the great beast from doing something with its freedom...."<br />
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My initial interpretation was that the 'totalitarian streak' referred in some manner to the U.S., not those who could be characterized, by some, as having 'anti-American' The above seems to support this interpretation. <br />
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Chomsky in fact seems to be speaking of those in the U.S. who see any questioning of U.S. policy or intent as being an expression of 'anti-Americanism'.<br />
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The following article is an example of one which has several references to Chomsky's 'anti-American' attitude.<br />
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<a href="http://www.intellectualconservative.com/article3754.html">http://www.intellectualconservative.com/article3754.html</a><br />
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<p>---<br>"When we are in the middle of the paradigm, it is hard to imagine any other paradigm" (Adam Smith).<br />
He is arguing that it is totally unfair to call people who criticize the American state "anti-American", and that this is nothing but a smear to avoid adressing the very crimes that you so eloquently write about.
So you can dislike Chomsky's writing, but I'd like you to respond and clarify your points.
Do think it's okay to label people "anti-American" for criticizing the horrible crimes that come out of Washington?
I certainly don't. I refuse to be labeled anti-American.
For what's its worth,I happen to agree with you that Mel Hurtig would make a wonderful subject of a documentary.
But why would you blame Chomsky for that not happening?
I'd be interested to hear from other vivelecanada posters if the quote at the end of my posts is too confusing.
Perhaps I'm guilty of assuming a certain amount of exposure to Chomsky's ideas at this site. The last thing I want to do is legitimize the idea that there is something called "anti-Americanism" that needs to be confronted.
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"The very fact that the concept "anti-American" can exist exhibits a totalitarian streak that's pretty dramatic." Noam Chomsky
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Now call it extreme if you like, but I propose we hit it hard, and we hit it fast, with a major, and I mean major, leaflet campaign.--Rimmer, Red Dwarf
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"When we are in the middle of the paradigm, it is hard to imagine any other paradigm" (Adam Smith).
Belinda Stronach and Noam Chomsky: unpicking indoctrination
by sthompson on Monday, May 30 2005 @ 12:25 PM MDT
I agree, that's how I read that quote. I'm going to email Robin about it.
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Now call it extreme if you like, but I propose we hit it hard, and we hit it fast, with a major, and I mean major, leaflet campaign.--Rimmer, Red Dwarf
Dio
Robin raises valuable points.
I see it as predictable that a branching off to pro or con positions occurs regarding whether or not Chomsky is or is not an imperialist. The main thrust of Robin’s article and surmising about various roles within Canadian politics is key.
I suggest THAT is the question, not some trivial pursuit of defense/attack
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"When we are in the middle of the paradigm, it is hard to imagine any other paradigm" (Adam Smith).
regarding whether or not Chomsky is or is not an imperialist."
Let's nip it in the bud, then. Chomsky is a self-declared social anarchist. He
has been rebuked in this article for preferring his own country, and he
honestly believes that the manner in which he lives his own life makes a
positive contribution. You are free to disagree with his opinion, but that's
about it.
As far as his beliefs making him a U.S. imperialist? Hogwash. Calling a guy
like him a U.S. imperialist basically hands the U.S. the global "brand name" for
such values, and that's exactly what he's trying to avoid doing. I'd like to
think a Canadian, or anyone for that matter, can be a free-thinking, patriotic,
activist without having to pay royalites to the U.S. treasury.
As for Chomsky excercising some privilege of american rhetoric unavailable
to Canadians in acting in polite society--also nonsense. Lloyd Axworthy's
recent open letter comes to mind. Chomsky just happens to have more
celebrity currently. Perhaps, just perhaps, it's the quality of his scholarly
efforts. Maybe it's "market access". Hurtig isn't speaking to Americans, it
should not surprise that his "market share" is smaller. It doesn't make his
work less valuable either, except by the very metrics despised herein.
The "anti-american" disputed byline: Chomsky argues the very notion is
absurd, a frame controlled by those who wish to define it for their own
purpose, usually to accuse.
Further, Chomsky brings a truckload of informed criticism to Canadians,
about Canadian policy choices, whenever he visits here, like our performance
in Haiti. From the perspective of a thinking human, as much as that is
possible for any of use and our unavoidable biases. And guess what--
Canadian polite society is just as aghast.
Email him sometime. He'll take time to answer you personally (eventually, if
not immediately).
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"A Canadian person is not supposed to say those things. They are not <br />
acceptable to nice people when said by a Canadian. "<br />
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See: "U.S. living beyond means, Dodge warns"<br />
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<a href="http://www.cbc.ca/story/business/national/2005/05/30/dodge">http://www.cbc.ca/story/business/national/2005/05/30/dodge</a>-<br />
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Run for cover, guv'nor!<br />
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I apologize for missing the error at first myself as well. It's pretty much impossible for us to extensively fact check each article we post with our small volunteer editorial team, which is why we say that posters are responsible for the content of their own posts. But at least we are able to respond quickly when an error is made, unlike more conventional media which can't issue corrections and retractions until the next issue (and speaking as a journalist it's pretty common for even seasoned journalists and ressearchers to make occasional mistakes). So please try to check out anything you post prior to posting it; and remember to take things on the internet with a grain of salt , use critical thinking, and keep things in context.
And special thanks to the readers who pointed out the mistake.
Incidentally, I believe there are various other articles on Noam Chomsky on the site, some of which make many of the same arguments as Mathews here. Just enter Chomsky into the search box (top right). We have also offered an MP3 of a Chomsky speech here on Vive in the past.
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Now call it extreme if you like, but I propose we hit it hard, and we hit it fast, with a major, and I mean major, leaflet campaign.--Rimmer, Red Dwarf
Speaking for myself, I generally don't comment unless I have something I believe is worth adding.
The article is purely Robin's opinion, some of which I agree with and some not. There was nothing in the article that was new or noteworthy for me or to which I had anything to add.
The only noteworthy item for me was his interpretation of Chomsky's statement, due to the fact that his reading was completely at odds with what I'd understood Chomsky to mean. Assuming my understanding had been a bit off base, I looked into the matter further.
Just so there's no confusion, my comment was made with good intentions in mind, rather than in "some trivial pursuit of defense/attack" or a desire to go "branching off to pro or con positions regarding whether or not Chomsky is or is not an imperialist" or derail the discussion.
Anyone to whom any of Robin's points are new is quite welcome to discuss these at length.
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"When we are in the middle of the paradigm, it is hard to imagine any other paradigm" (Adam Smith).
A shot was indeed taken, however you were not the target
vive is one of my guilty pleasures because it is Canadian.
This thread allows me to have a sense of pride and begins to restore my faith in humanity
Bravo to you and Susan for your input
Dio