Belinda Stronach And Noam Chomsky: Unpicking Indoctrination

Posted on Monday, May 30 at 10:11 by Robin Mathews
She may be a scheming, Right Wing, ambitious, forked-tongued, billionaire opportunist. But she did the POLITICAL THINGS listed. She is a political phenomenon.

So what does Noam Chomsky have to do with all this? Everything.

Put simply, it may be that many of the people who are truly angry at the “news” about Belinda Stronach intuit that there are many, many more important things to care about. There are global warming and environmental decay. There is political corruption. There is continuing takeover of the world by (daily exposed) criminal corporations. There is U.S. imperialism. There is a bewildering array of wrongs Canadian face. So why do we have to talk about Belinda Stronach, many ask?

The answer is that the Stronach case has a bearing on all the others.

Put another way, Canadian politics has four levels. The U.S. wants Canada under its heel. That is the first law of Canadian politics. Do we go under the U.S. heel? (Stephen Harper, Peter MacKay, John Manley say yes. Embrace U.S. imperialism.) Do we, instead, trade off, negotiate, stall, quaver, sometimes refuse, too often submit? (Jean Chretien and Paul Martin say yes. Do that.) Do we mount clear, U.S.-unpopular Canadian policies while still operating a system the U.S. approves of? (Jack Layton, the NDP, say yes, do that.) Do we say that to serve Canada and Canadians we have to resist U.S. encroachment, construct a different system, and face off against U.S. imperialism firmly and reasonably? (Canadian anti-imperialists say yes. Do that.)

Belinda Stronach, it would seem, left the Stephen Harper/John Manley “let’s go under the U.S. heel” camp to the “trade off, negotiate, stall, quaver, sometimes refuse, too often submit” Jean Chretien, Paul Martin camp. So what does Noam Chomsky have to do with all this? Everything.

To deal with any and all of the Canadian problems, a Canadian has to start with U.S. imperialism. Who started the Iraq war? Who (in fact) runs the World Trade Organization, the World Bank, the International Monetary Fund, NATO, the Asia Pacific Economic organization? The U.S. does.

Who defaults regularly, as a policy, on United Nations payments? Who overthrows freely elected governments as a policy? Who practices imprisonment, torture, and kidnappings of “suspects” all over the world? The U.S. does.

Who manipulates politics to say we should all “share North American resources”? Who propagandizes and indoctrinates Canadians every hour to the effect that Canadian resources and wealth are really U.S. resources and wealth? The U.S. does.

Who breaks the Canada/U.S. Free Trade Agreement daily? Who sucks in morally challenged people like John Manley, Stephen Harper, and Preston Manning? The U.S. does.

A Canadian person is not supposed to say those things. They are not acceptable to nice people when said by a Canadian. The only kind of person who can say things like that in Canada and be acceptable is a U.S. person like Noam Chomsky. Wonderful, progressive, radical, humane, thoughtful, caring Canadians read Noam Chomsky, icon of the American Dream, and they love him. If a Canadian says, as a Canadian, what Chomsky says – pointing out the effects of U.S. imperialism in Canada, most Canadians thrown up their hands and run for cover.

That is a testimony to the fact of Canadian colonial-mindedness. Especially since Noam Chomsky is, himself, a U.S. imperialist.

A what? Yes, a U.S. imperialist. When Canadian Mark Akbar and his friend made the internationally acclaimed documentary film on Noam Chomsky, I asked myself why. There was embattled, courageous, marginalized, heroic Mel Hurtig just waiting for a documentary. Follow Hurtig to speeches, radio stations, political rallies, small group discussions – to philosophical conversations about his books.

But, no. Mel Hurtig is a Canadian. That means he doesn’t matter. Noam Chomsky is a U.S. personality. He, therefore, matters.

Near the end of the documentary film, “Manufacturing Consent” (which was manufacturing consent that Noam Chomsky is more important to Canadians than Mel Hurtig), Chomsky remarks that the U.S.A. is the best country in the world to live in.

Pardon? Yes, he said it. The man who tells the world the U.S.A. is a conscienceless, ruthless, imperial power says the U.S.A. is the best country in the world to live in. He says that because he’s a U.S. imperialist. Isn’t that a contradiction. Not at all. Noam Chomsky wants a good U.S. imperialism rather than a bad U.S. imperialism. Noam Chomsky is a wonderful U.S. person who wants the U.S. empire to be a good empire not a bad one.

[Ed note: Original passage edited out; see above.]

When I used to give public speeches asking that Canadians (of birth or choice), of any colour, creed, or origin, be hired to Canadian educational and cultural positions when qualified, instead of U.S. people, something always happened.

A person with a U.S. accent would stand up in the question period and say that my remarks reminded him (or her) of someone with racist ideas. I would smile and say: “What I propose is a political solution to a political problem forcefully shaped by U.S. political policy for Canada. Unable or unwilling to come to grips with the political situation, you try to escape it by employing insulting insinuation and slander.”

[Ed note: Original passage edited out; see above.]

[Most Canadians] don’t see the four levels of Canadian politics. When Belinda Stronach leaves level one (embrace U.S. imperialism) for level two (trade off, negotiate, quaver, stall, sometimes refuse, too often submit) they ask what all the fuss is about. A meaningless person just did a meaningless thing. Why talk about it?

It wasn’t meaningless, I claim. If the NDP uses the event well, when the next federal election comes, Canadians may decide they can’t vote Liberal because of the ugly Gomery facts. They may decide they can’t vote for the Stephen Harper, Peter MacKay, John Manley “embrace U.S. imperialism” message. And so they may decide to vote NDP.

The degree to which Belinda Stronach has made that scenario more possible is the degree to which she proves she is a political phenomenon. As wonderful, progressive, radical, humane, thoughtful, caring Canadians come to realize that, they have to come to question the wisdom of [those who dismiss their opposition to U.S. imperialism as anti-Americanism].

To be anti-American is to have a truly enlightened soul. It is, moreover, to see Noam Chomsky as he really is: a bright, insightful, searching critic of bad U.S. imperialism, blind to the final reality of the U.S.A. and, therefore – even unintentionally – a cheer-leader for U.S. power and U.S. domination.

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  1. Mon May 30, 2005 5:58 pm
    All this shows is that Chomsky puts up a charade for US imperialism. He`s well to do; do you think he really cares about people blown to bits in Iraq, imperial armtwisting in Nicaragua, or in Canada, for that matter? This is another example of a so-called intellectual saying the safe words as he straddles his comfy fence. Michael Ignattief is another one of these play-safe 'intellectuals.' Ignattief supported the Iraq war. Gwynne Dyer spoke at a High School in Port Colborne, Ontario, and basically he said this: That globalization, resulting in jobs fleeing to 3rd world countries, is only fair, since we`ve monopoized those good jobs for 150 years. But of course, he failed to mention that the 3rd world was not benefitting from this, due to falling wages in the 3rd world, as well as no improvement in employment, health and safety, or pollution standards! Dyer also said that Quebec separation is still an issue to worry about, given that english and french Canadians are like 'two scorpions in a bottle.' He also said that when it comes to foreign policy, Canada was already 'punching above its weight.' Here too, he failed to mention that not only do Canadians want their government to return to a more active, altruistic foreign policy, but that Canada is a G8 country, which, given this, is actually throwing in the towel, let alone throwing any sort of punch! Dyer also contradicted himself, by telling students, due to globalization, that they may not have a job to go to, yet increased immigration was good because not only have we abandoned our discriminatory past in immigration, but we need these immigrants for jobs! Even the father of multi-culturalism, Pierre Trudeau, knew that he had to decrease the number of immigrants to Canada when the economic conditions called for it!

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    Dave Ruston

  2. Mon May 30, 2005 6:37 pm
    Robin's reading of the Chomsky quote differed from my own.<br />
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    The quote was made in this interview:<br />
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    <a href="http://www.chomsky.info/books/warfare02.htm">http://www.chomsky.info/books/warfare02.htm</a><br />
    <br />
    The paragraph containing the quoted remark is as follows: <br />
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    "On the other hand, there are exceptions, and Dewey and Russell are among those exceptions. But they are completely marginalized and unknown, although everybody sings praises to them, as they do to Adam Smith. What they actually said would be considered intolerable in the autocratic climate of dominant opinion. The totalitarian element of it is quite striking. The very fact that the concept "anti-American" can exist -- forget the way it's used -- exhibits a totalitarian streak that's pretty dramatic. That concept, anti-Americanism -- the only real counterpart to it in the modern world is anti-Sovietism. In the Soviet Union, the worst crime was to be anti-Soviet. That's the hallmark of a totalitarian society, to have concepts like anti-Sovietism or anti-Americanism. Here it's considered quite natural. Books on anti-Americanism, by people who are basically Stalinist clones, are highly respected. That's true of Anglo-American societies, which are strikingly the more democratic societies. I think there's a correlation there...As freedom grows, the need to coerce and control opinion also grows if you want to prevent the great beast from doing something with its freedom...."<br />
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    My initial interpretation was that the 'totalitarian streak' referred in some manner to the U.S., not those who could be characterized, by some, as having 'anti-American' The above seems to support this interpretation. <br />
    <br />
    Chomsky in fact seems to be speaking of those in the U.S. who see any questioning of U.S. policy or intent as being an expression of 'anti-Americanism'.<br />
    <br />
    The following article is an example of one which has several references to Chomsky's 'anti-American' attitude.<br />
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    <a href="http://www.intellectualconservative.com/article3754.html">http://www.intellectualconservative.com/article3754.html</a><br />
    <br />
    <br />
    <p>---<br>"When we are in the middle of the paradigm, it is hard to imagine any other paradigm" (Adam Smith).<br />

  3. Mon May 30, 2005 7:04 pm
    <i>Those of us who want no U.S. empire or imperialism are disapproved of by Noam Chomsky. Someone commented on Vive le Canada and quoted Chomsky (without giving exact source details). Presuming the quotation is correct, consider it:<br><br> “The very fact that the concept ‘anti-American’ can exist exhibits a totalitarian streak that’s pretty dramatic.” Noam Chomsky.<br><br></i> Quote appears to be from:<br><br> <a href="http://www.chomsky.info/books/warfare02.htm"> Education is Ignorance</a><br> Noam Chomsky<br> Excerpted from Class Warfare, 1995, pp. 19-23, 27-31<br><br> SNIP<br><br> <i>BARSAMIAN: In that same Mellon lecture, you paraphrased Russell on education. You said that he promoted the idea that education is not to be viewed as something like filling a vessel with water, but rather assisting a flower to grow in its own way...<br><br> CHOMSKY: That's an eighteenth century idea. I don't know if Russell knew about it or reinvented it, but you read that as standard in early Enlightenment literature. That's the image that was used... Humboldt, the founder of classical liberalism, his view was that education is a matter of laying out a string along which the child will develop, but in its own way. You may do some guiding. That's what serious education would be from kindergarten up through graduate school. You do get it in advanced science, because there's no other way to do it.<br><br> But most of the educational system is quite different. Mass education was designed to turn independent farmers into docile, passive tools of production. That was its primary purpose. And don't think people didn't know it. They knew it and they fought against it. There was a lot of resistance to mass education for exactly that reason. It was also understood by the elites. Emerson once said something about how we're educating them to keep them from our throats. If you don't educate them, what we call "education," they're going to take control -- "they" being what Alexander Hamilton called the "great beast," namely the people. The anti-democratic thrust of opinion in what are called democratic societies is really ferocious. And for good reason. Because the freer the society gets, the more dangerous the great beast becomes and the more you have to be careful to cage it somehow.<br><br> On the other hand, there are exceptions, and Dewey and Russell are among those exceptions. But they are completely marginalized and unknown, although everybody sings praises to them, as they do to Adam Smith. What they actually said would be considered intolerable in the autocratic climate of dominant opinion. The totalitarian element of it is quite striking. <b>The very fact that the concept "anti-American" can exist -- forget the way it's used -- exhibits a totalitarian streak that's pretty dramatic. That concept, anti-Americanism -- the only real counterpart to it in the modern world is anti-Sovietism. In the Soviet Union, the worst crime was to be anti-Soviet. That's the hallmark of a totalitarian society, to have concepts like anti-Sovietism or anti-Americanism. Here it's considered quite natural.</b> Books on anti-Americanism, by people who are basically Stalinist clones, are highly respected. That's true of Anglo-American societies, which are strikingly the more democratic societies. I think there's a correlation there...As freedom grows, the need to coerce and control opinion also grows if you want to prevent the great beast from doing something with its freedom....<br><br> ... Sam Bowles and Herb Gintis, two economists, in their work on the American educational system some years back... pointed out that the educational system is divided into fragments. The part that's directed toward working people and the general population is indeed designed to impose obedience. But the education for elites can't quite do that. It has to allow creativity and independence. Otherwise they won't be able to do their job of making money. You find the same thing in the press. That's why I read the Wall Street Journal and the Financial Times and Business Week. They just have to tell the truth. That's a contradiction in the mainstream press, too. Take, say, the New York Times or the Washington Post. They have dual functions and they're contradictory. One function is to subdue the great beast. But another function is to let their audience, which is an elite audience, gain a tolerably realistic picture of what's going on in the world. Otherwise, they won't be able to satisfy their own needs. That's a contradiction that runs right through the educational system as well. It's totally independent of another factor, namely just professional integrity, which a lot of people have: honesty, no matter what the external constraints are. That leads to various complexities. If you really look at the details of how the newspapers work, you find these contradictions and problems playing themselves out in complicated ways.... </i><br><br> Seems to me that here Chomsky is criticising the USA by saying that the term Anti-American is used to stifle and control dissent, comparing it to Soviet society when criticism of the state would not be tolerated. The existence of the term Anti-American is a reflection of totalitarian thinking in the USA not on the part of others. Nothing I diagree with there.<br><br> <b>That's the hallmark of a totalitarian society, to have concepts like anti-Sovietism or anti-Americanism.</b><br><br> And as far as Chomksy saying that the USA is best country in the world to live in, my understanding was that he was just making a point that although from a utilitarian point of view looking at standards of living, ability to better oneself, access to the conveniences of modern life etc. he (and others) consider the USA is widely as the best place in the world to live (although for how much longer might be debatable), this wealth and comfort enjoyed by Americans is also obtained through the ruthless imposition of US foreign policy and the support of totaltiarian regimes in other countries etc. and most US citizens are purposely kept unaware of this by the media and government propaganda, or even if they are aware they generally can't be bothered enough to get out of their comfort zone to try to do something about it.

  4. Mon May 30, 2005 7:24 pm
    Robin, I think you have completely misunderstood the Chomsky quote, which you must have read at the end of one of my posts.
    He is arguing that it is totally unfair to call people who criticize the American state "anti-American", and that this is nothing but a smear to avoid adressing the very crimes that you so eloquently write about.
    So you can dislike Chomsky's writing, but I'd like you to respond and clarify your points.
    Do think it's okay to label people "anti-American" for criticizing the horrible crimes that come out of Washington?
    I certainly don't. I refuse to be labeled anti-American.
    For what's its worth,I happen to agree with you that Mel Hurtig would make a wonderful subject of a documentary.
    But why would you blame Chomsky for that not happening?
    I'd be interested to hear from other vivelecanada posters if the quote at the end of my posts is too confusing.

    Perhaps I'm guilty of assuming a certain amount of exposure to Chomsky's ideas at this site. The last thing I want to do is legitimize the idea that there is something called "anti-Americanism" that needs to be confronted.


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    "The very fact that the concept "anti-American" can exist exhibits a totalitarian streak that's pretty dramatic." Noam Chomsky

  5. Mon May 30, 2005 7:25 pm
    I agree, that's how I read that quote. I'm going to email Robin about it.

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    Now call it extreme if you like, but I propose we hit it hard, and we hit it fast, with a major, and I mean major, leaflet campaign.--Rimmer, Red Dwarf

  6. Mon May 30, 2005 7:26 pm
    I think you have (above).

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    "When we are in the middle of the paradigm, it is hard to imagine any other paradigm" (Adam Smith).

  7. Mon May 30, 2005 8:37 pm
    Please tell me I am not the only one seeing the delicious, fists on hips moral indignant humour and irony linked within the two separate statements here.
    Belinda Stronach and Noam Chomsky: unpicking indoctrination
    by sthompson on Monday, May 30 2005 @ 12:25 PM MDT
    I agree, that's how I read that quote. I'm going to email Robin about it.

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    Now call it extreme if you like, but I propose we hit it hard, and we hit it fast, with a major, and I mean major, leaflet campaign.--Rimmer, Red Dwarf

    Dio

  8. Mon May 30, 2005 9:01 pm
    What gets focused in on and why?
    Robin raises valuable points.
    I see it as predictable that a branching off to pro or con positions occurs regarding whether or not Chomsky is or is not an imperialist. The main thrust of Robin’s article and surmising about various roles within Canadian politics is key.
    I suggest THAT is the question, not some trivial pursuit of defense/attack

  9. Mon May 30, 2005 9:33 pm
    I disagree with your perspective on the matter however, will withhold further comment until such time as we're made aware of Robin's response to Sue's email.

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    "When we are in the middle of the paradigm, it is hard to imagine any other paradigm" (Adam Smith).

  10. Mon May 30, 2005 10:10 pm
    "I see it as predictable that a branching off to pro or con positions occurs
    regarding whether or not Chomsky is or is not an imperialist."

    Let's nip it in the bud, then. Chomsky is a self-declared social anarchist. He
    has been rebuked in this article for preferring his own country, and he
    honestly believes that the manner in which he lives his own life makes a
    positive contribution. You are free to disagree with his opinion, but that's
    about it.

    As far as his beliefs making him a U.S. imperialist? Hogwash. Calling a guy
    like him a U.S. imperialist basically hands the U.S. the global "brand name" for
    such values, and that's exactly what he's trying to avoid doing. I'd like to
    think a Canadian, or anyone for that matter, can be a free-thinking, patriotic,
    activist without having to pay royalites to the U.S. treasury.

    As for Chomsky excercising some privilege of american rhetoric unavailable
    to Canadians in acting in polite society--also nonsense. Lloyd Axworthy's
    recent open letter comes to mind. Chomsky just happens to have more
    celebrity currently. Perhaps, just perhaps, it's the quality of his scholarly
    efforts. Maybe it's "market access". Hurtig isn't speaking to Americans, it
    should not surprise that his "market share" is smaller. It doesn't make his
    work less valuable either, except by the very metrics despised herein.

    The "anti-american" disputed byline: Chomsky argues the very notion is
    absurd, a frame controlled by those who wish to define it for their own
    purpose, usually to accuse.

    Further, Chomsky brings a truckload of informed criticism to Canadians,
    about Canadian policy choices, whenever he visits here, like our performance
    in Haiti. From the perspective of a thinking human, as much as that is
    possible for any of use and our unavoidable biases. And guess what--
    Canadian polite society is just as aghast.

    Email him sometime. He'll take time to answer you personally (eventually, if
    not immediately).

  11. Mon May 30, 2005 10:22 pm
    I see this article vanished from the front page. Probably best.<br />
    <br />
    "A Canadian person is not supposed to say those things. They are not <br />
    acceptable to nice people when said by a Canadian. "<br />
    <br />
    See: "U.S. living beyond means, Dodge warns"<br />
    <br />
    <a href="http://www.cbc.ca/story/business/national/2005/05/30/dodge">http://www.cbc.ca/story/business/national/2005/05/30/dodge</a>-<br />
    warning050530.html<br />
    <br />
    Run for cover, guv'nor!<br />
    <br />
    <br />

  12. Mon May 30, 2005 10:42 pm
    At Robin Mathews' request, I have added his apology/corrective statement to the beginning of the article and removed passages referring to the misread quote (and included a note that I've done so in each case). Mathews asked me to consider removing the article but I have not done so because he provides some other evidence for his points (which I have left intact) and also info re Stronach.

    I apologize for missing the error at first myself as well. It's pretty much impossible for us to extensively fact check each article we post with our small volunteer editorial team, which is why we say that posters are responsible for the content of their own posts. But at least we are able to respond quickly when an error is made, unlike more conventional media which can't issue corrections and retractions until the next issue (and speaking as a journalist it's pretty common for even seasoned journalists and ressearchers to make occasional mistakes). So please try to check out anything you post prior to posting it; and remember to take things on the internet with a grain of salt , use critical thinking, and keep things in context.

    And special thanks to the readers who pointed out the mistake.

    Incidentally, I believe there are various other articles on Noam Chomsky on the site, some of which make many of the same arguments as Mathews here. Just enter Chomsky into the search box (top right). We have also offered an MP3 of a Chomsky speech here on Vive in the past.

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    Now call it extreme if you like, but I propose we hit it hard, and we hit it fast, with a major, and I mean major, leaflet campaign.--Rimmer, Red Dwarf

  13. Tue May 31, 2005 12:26 am
    Now that we've heard from Robin...

    Speaking for myself, I generally don't comment unless I have something I believe is worth adding.

    The article is purely Robin's opinion, some of which I agree with and some not. There was nothing in the article that was new or noteworthy for me or to which I had anything to add.

    The only noteworthy item for me was his interpretation of Chomsky's statement, due to the fact that his reading was completely at odds with what I'd understood Chomsky to mean. Assuming my understanding had been a bit off base, I looked into the matter further.

    Just so there's no confusion, my comment was made with good intentions in mind, rather than in "some trivial pursuit of defense/attack" or a desire to go "branching off to pro or con positions regarding whether or not Chomsky is or is not an imperialist" or derail the discussion.

    Anyone to whom any of Robin's points are new is quite welcome to discuss these at length.

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    "When we are in the middle of the paradigm, it is hard to imagine any other paradigm" (Adam Smith).

  14. Tue May 31, 2005 6:34 pm
    Hey there Calumny, Rest easy.
    A shot was indeed taken, however you were not the target
    vive is one of my guilty pleasures because it is Canadian.

    This thread allows me to have a sense of pride and begins to restore my faith in humanity

    Bravo to you and Susan for your input
    Dio



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