U.S. Marine General -'It's Fun To Shoot Some People'

Posted on Thursday, February 03 at 22:24 by whelan costen
His boss, the commandant of the Marine Corps, said Thursday the comments reflect "the unfortunate and harsh realities of war" but the general has been asked to watch his words in public. Lt.-Gen. James Mattis, a career infantry officer who is now in charge of developing better ways to train and equip marines, made the comments Tuesday while speaking to a forum in San Diego, Calif. In an audio recording, Mattis said: "Actually, it's a lot of fun to fight. You know, it's a hell of a hoot...It's fun to shoot some people." "I'll be right upfront with you, I like brawling." He added: "You go into Afghanistan, you got guys who slap women around for five years because they didn't wear a veil. You know, guys like that ain't got no manhood left anyway." "So it's a hell of a lot of fun to shoot them." His comments were met with laughter and applause from the audience. Mattis was speaking during a panel discussion hosted by the Armed Forces Communications and Electronics Association, a spokeswoman for the general said. On Thursday, Gen. Mike Hagee, commandant of the Marine Corps, issued a statement saying: "Lt.-Gen. Mattis often speaks with a great deal of candour. I have counselled him concerning his remarks and he agrees he should have chosen his words more carefully." Hagee also said: "While I understand that some people may take issue with the comments made by him, I also know he intended to reflect the unfortunate and harsh realities of war." Mattis is currently the commanding general of the Marine Corps Combat Development Command in Quantico, Va., and deputy commandant for combat development. Marine Gen. Peter Pace, vice-chairman of the joint chiefs of staff, said it was up to Mattis to address his own comments but he added: "All of us who are leaders have a responsibility in our words and our actions to provide the right example all the time for those who look to us for leadership." Pace spoke to a Pentagon news conference. U.S. Defence Secretary Donald Rumsfeld said he had not read Mattis's words and deferred to Pace. The Council on American-Islamic Relations, a Muslim civil-liberties group, called on the Pentagon to discipline Mattis for the remarks. "We do not need generals who treat the grim business of war as a sporting event," said the council's executive director, Nihad Awad. "These disturbing remarks are indicative of an apparent indifference to the value of human life." Mattis's comments were reported by the television station KNSD in San Diego and the audio recording was posted on its website www.nbcsandiego.com . As a lieutenant-colonel, Mattis led an assault battalion into Kuwait during the first war with Iraq. During the war in Afghanistan, he commanded the 1st Marine Expeditionary Brigade and subsequently Task Force 58, which fought in southern Afghanistan as the Taliban fell. During the second war in Iraq, he commanded the 1st Marine Division during the invasion and also when the unit returned to Iraq for counter-insurgency operations last year. Read more: http://www.mytelus.com/news/article.do?pageID=world_home&articleID=1835996

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  1. Fri Feb 04, 2005 3:47 pm
    Yeah, chalk up another one for the human race.

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    Dave Ruston

  2. Fri Feb 04, 2005 4:08 pm
    "He added: "You go into Afghanistan, you got guys who slap women around for five years because they didn't wear a veil. You know, guys like that ain't got no manhood left anyway."

    "So it's a hell of a lot of fun to shoot them."

    I think I'd enjoy shooting the worthless garbage like that too.

    US Marines are trained killers, in case you guys didn't know that. Its their job, its what they're trained to do. War is hell. Get over it.

  3. Fri Feb 04, 2005 4:11 pm
    Don`t disagree with you there, Darvin. But who supported the mysoginist Taliban in the first place?

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  4. Fri Feb 04, 2005 4:33 pm
    You might think it would be enjoyable, but it isn't. As this General added in another interview - "No one likes war".

    No Warning, Sans Remorse.


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    "If you must kill a man, it costs you nothing to be polite about it." Winston Churchill

  5. Fri Feb 04, 2005 10:02 pm
    Sorry but I can't abide these comments or accept any justification for them, the people of Afganistan live by a different code and culture; not acceptable to us, but nevertheless until their women and men become educated and change themselves, it won't and it does not excuse the comments. We have spousal and child abuse in North America but does that make it alright to kill the person, I thought the idea was to create a more peaceful environment. So wouldn't it be better to teach or lead by example, education etc, than kill all the men in Afganistan that beat their wives? Will little boys in Afganistan that grow up without a father learn not to be so violent towards women...I don't think so, and I do realize that war is hell, which is what makes the comments about enjoying the killing, so unacceptable.

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    If I stand for my country today...will my country be here to stand for me tomorrow?

  6. Fri Feb 04, 2005 10:29 pm
    "which is what makes the comments about enjoying the killing, so unacceptable."

    ?? I didn't say that. I said *Darvin* might *think* it would be enjoyable, but from my experience I was telling him that it *isn't*.

    I think however, Darvin was just trolling.


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    "If you must kill a man, it costs you nothing to be polite about it." Winston Churchill

  7. Fri Feb 04, 2005 11:40 pm
    The liberal press downplayed the full context. The fellow was referring to really bad neanderthals that maim,abuse and kill women because that's what their backward religion tells them to do. Would any of you sicko liberal defenders of the Taliban like to have your mom, wife or sister treated this way? Yeah, aight, I thought so.

  8. by avatar canuck
    Sat Feb 05, 2005 3:11 am
    Hey, on the same token, you must be a defender of drug addiction, smuggling, warlords, and money laundering as Afghanistan's opium production has exploded since the US invaded.... I always new this must have been the alterior motive of those who said they wanted to promote women's rights there. You wingnuts just can't get enough heroin, can you?

    (See, playing the role of a lunatic like the one above is easy. Next time, try using some facts. I recall that the only people who supported the taliban were the US neocons.)

  9. Sat Feb 05, 2005 3:22 am
    Sorry Dr.C, I misunderstood your post, perhaps because of the other, and although it did sound contrary to your usual posts, the entire issue, makes me very upset. The thrust of the article itself, was downplaying the attitude and attempting to somehow justify the pleasure these guys admit to; which brings us back to the torture of their prisoners; I think it comes from their training,and an arrogance in believing, THEY are the superior beings on the planet and know what is best for all others. As for the post above which says that if they were beating my sister..mother etc; well No I still don't want the bastard killed, and I also didn't know that was why they went into Afganistan, to rid them of abusers???

    Yes, I know war is hell, but my point is there are circumstances that sometimes force a country to go to war,if you must go to war, then you must, but if you enjoy the sport of killing, and somehow can justify what you know is not humane, then you are more likely to go to war for any reason. This article tells me that there are people, very high up who really enjoy this killing and therefore, peace is not going to be nearly as enjoyable for them, so very likely will not be aspired for!

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    If I stand for my country today...will my country be here to stand for me tomorrow?

  10. Sat Feb 05, 2005 3:27 am
    Actually I didn't misunderstand your post Dr.C but I made my post sound like I was referring to yours, and I wasn't. I was refering to Darwin and to the article itself, which led to his statement, 'war is hell, get over it'. The General in the article wasn't expressing the hell aspect, but moreover expressing his pleasure and justifying his pleasure...and the report didn't express any horror at those comments, just excuses. IMO

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    If I stand for my country today...will my country be here to stand for me tomorrow?

  11. Sat Feb 05, 2005 7:04 am
    The audience he was delivering these remarks to laughed and clapped. The sickness of war requires contagion.

    I saw this general on the National and to hear him reconfirmed for me that to be able to kill someone the way that he and the military are doing it - would require you to be insane. Someone like him is likely a dream come true. NO humane person could carry out his duties the way he is being asked to. To see Romeo Dallaire relive his experience in Rawanda was heartbreaking and makes one wonder how we can still be using war as an answer for anything. It is impossible to come out of an experience like that unscathed.

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  12. Sat Feb 05, 2005 8:04 am
    Perhaps the soldiers should have scolded the general and sang Imagine and We Shall Overcome. Duhhh, a soldier's job is to kill the enemy.

  13. Sat Feb 05, 2005 8:12 am
    Perhaps you don't mind your female family members being treated in such a manner. I for one would not like it. And, oh yes, the only ones supporting heroin et al. are in Vancouver. koo koo!

  14. Sat Feb 05, 2005 11:08 pm
    Meanwhile Canada "...is thirty-fourth in the world in peacekeeping, by any measure you wish, behind even Bangladesh. We have reduced our military capacity to laughable levels of low limitation and narrow circumstance. We leased Russian planes to transport our troops to Sri Lanka. We want to raise a new brigade but in order to fund it want to reduce the air and maritime assets to transport it. We have a problem calling evil by its proper name. We were the last country to categorize Hezbollah as a terrorist organization. We waffled on Sudan because of the involvement in that savage land by a Canadian oil company..."

    "...We’ve become a nation of patsies falling for any manipulation. As we did when the Kahdr family, admitted accomplices of bin-Ladin, returned here to claim their “right” to free medical care..."

    "...We have been "salon liberals". It is time we shed our pallid affects that cower behind the false piety that the struggle for social justice stops at our borders..."

    "...allegiance to concepts such as multi-lateralism and political equivalency that put Canada, among other embarrassments, in the ludicrous position of voting with Idi Amin’s Uganda in the 1970’s..."

    "...Those who choose the path of inaction and lethargic smugness will one day have to make peace with their own consciences for lulling so many into the crippling complacency caused by a fear of the future, a mistrust of the present and the invocation of a comfortable past which, in fact, never existed..."



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