The comment came as Manley was pressed by Lorne Waldman, one of Arar's lawyers, about the so-called smart border agreement he negotiated with American officials in late 2001.
The main aim of the deal was to ensure a continued free flow of tourist and commercial traffic by speeding low-risk individuals and goods through customs checkpoints.
But the agreement also provided for enhanced information-sharing between Canada and the U.S. on everything from the screening of airline passengers to exchanges of immigration, intelligence and police data.
A key question in the Arar case is the role played by the RCMP in providing information to U.S. officials, who later used it to deport him to Syria, where he says he was tortured into false confessions of terrorist activity.
http://www.mytelus.com/news/article.do?pageID=canada_home&articleID=1941008
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Manley -Economics Trumped Human Rights
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If you don't like these ideas, I've got others. --Marshall McLuhan
Politics. This implies either that he disagrees, or he has interests in his current business, and future leadership dreams with whom he would not dare disagree. Canada, please tack this on your fridge for a couple of years.
"For me I've got to get my citizens their right to have their employment," he said. "The fundamental thing that I was concerned with was making sure that we reached an understanding that was going to protect Canadian interests."
Ludicrous. For one thing, employment is not a right and he knows it. Secondly, whenever a politician like Manley says "jobs" he really means commerce, but knows that doesn't sound as palatable.
To know that he was point man on security, and did nothing in the Arar case until it was "safe" to do so, to be able to look Arar's wife in the eye and feign concern--all this should disqualify him permanently from leadership consideration. It indicates a fundamental weakness of character that Canada cannot risk in a leader.
Many Canadians despise the Liberal party right now. Fact is, they aren't going anywhere, so your best bet, if so inclined, is to take out membership and do all you can to make sure this guy doesn't make top spot. Any valuable hindsight, Mr. Orchard?
Last Updated Wed, 01 Jun 2005 16:26:56 EDT <br />
CBC News<br />
U.S. officials offered to return Maher Arar to Canada before they deported him to Syria, but Ottawa turned them down, a senator says. <br />
Liberal Senator Pierre De Bané told the Arar inquiry on Wednesday morning that he learned of the offer at a Foreign Affairs briefing."<br />
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The above quotes taken from:<br />
<a href="http://www.cbc.ca/story/canada/national/2005/06/01/arar-050501.html">http://www.cbc.ca/story/canada/national/2005/06/01/arar-050501.html</a><br />
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It appears as though as the heat gets turned up, those who wished to decieve the people of Canada into blaming the people of the United States of America in order to capitalize on the natural tendencies of it's people towards anti-American sentiment and mistrust as an easy out...are one by one, now scrambling to come up with excuses as to other possibilities of diversion. But still weakly clinging to the old "the Americans made me do it" excuse.<br />
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The devil made me do it. Yeah. And after what harm had been caused to both people's once friendly relations with one another? Similar to FranCanCorp's stories fed to it's people. Who were they going to believe anyway? Those "evil" Americans? Or their much trusted Canadian, Liberal Party/FranCanCorp syndicate? Of course they believed the all too easy to believe tale as told by their own government of the evil American people wanting to die for Iraq's oil (as opposed to FranCanCorp wanting Iraqis to die for FranCanCorp's oil), and the Iraqis dying afterwards for FranCanCorp's "retribution" for failing to prevent FranCanCorp's business losses. Easier to believe FranCanCorp who has always been honest and above board with the Canadian people (Gomery/Belinda Stronach/Grewal/Crocus Fund)than those evil Americans begging to die for GWB's oil slick. That FranCanStein Monster is pretty persuasive alright. Especially when it uses an easy scapegoat for everything from who stole Jerry Springer's toothpaste to who was the reason for Carolyn Parish being booted from her party (and might be let back in now). It was for those nasty Americans, eh? Not because she messed all over FranCanStein's new shoes by attacking HIM personally, after months/years of trashing the American people without consequence. It was those "evil" Americans fault that he had to bust Carolyn's chops, eh.<br />
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Yup. Those "evil" Americans are wonderful scapegoats when you need one while holding office in Canada, eh? You can even trash them as part of your campaign platform, regardless of who gets hurt by it. Sadly we just have to remember that while flipping and flopping all over that platform like a giant fish you have to be careful you don't actually fall off altogether in your zealous frenzy.<br />
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BTW...FranCanCorp's CBC is being straight with you on this one too...<br />
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<a href="http://www.cbc.ca/story/world/national/2005/06/01/ivorycoastviolence0601.html">http://www.cbc.ca/story/world/national/2005/06/01/ivorycoastviolence0601.html</a><br />
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And they were being straight with you on the huge detrimental impact to the Canadian economy and lumber industry caused by those "evil" Americans too...<br />
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<a href="http://www.cbc.ca/story/business/national/2005/06/01/lumber-050601.html">http://www.cbc.ca/story/business/national/2005/06/01/lumber-050601.html</a><br />
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And the honest as the day is long Canadian government is STILL searching for some way to blame THIS one on those "evil" Americans too I'm sure, but they just haven't quite figured out how yet, but give them time, eh...<br />
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<a href="http://winnipeg.cbc.ca/regional/servlet/View?filename=mb_crocus-2-20050531">http://winnipeg.cbc.ca/regional/servlet/View?filename=mb_crocus-2-20050531</a><br />
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<a href="http://www.cbc.ca/story/business/national/2005/05/30/crocusaudit-050530.html">http://www.cbc.ca/story/business/national/2005/05/30/crocusaudit-050530.html</a><br />
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That's okay Whelan. You are always right. And your government never lies. And your government never cheats, or steals, or embezzles, or causes innocent people to lose their lives. And you never do anything of the sort either while running for office as a political candidate. Canadian government entities and their wannabe's are honest as the day is long. After all. We ALL know it just HAS to be the "evil" American people up to no good as always...<br />
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Some quotes from Whalen's article<br />
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*"But he(Manley) said his direct involvement in the affair was minimal, despite the fact that he was the No. 2 man in the government of then-prime minister Jean Chretien. <br />
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In addition to being deputy prime minister, Manley was Chretien's point man on security policy and his go-between to Washington following 9-11."<br />
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*"Evidence at the inquiry has indicated Arar first came under scrutiny during an RCMP investigation known as Project A-O Canada, which was probing potential al-Qaida activity in the Ottawa area. <br />
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The Mounties have acknowledged sharing background information on the case with American authorities..." <br />
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The part of that article that wasn't cut/pasted and flagged in the lead in by Whalen.<br />
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Really. Now we all have to decide who to believe. Not on facts being presented but on our respective nationalities, eh. Uh, huh. And then some. Just saw the most recent star wars movie and that "Chancellor" dude reminds me of some Canadian politicians hereabouts.<br />
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OTTAWA (CP) -' Their words not mine.
Nobody least of all me, has ever said I am always right. This story is not intended to point to some abstract 'evil'(your words) American. This article clearly states our man, Manley and his role in this affair. Get off your high horse, and take a look at what the article states.
Manley wants to be PM, this shows me if I needed more proof, that he is definitely not the person we want in charge of the country! The rest of your rhetoric was totally off topic and unnecessary. I did not post the entire article as that is not the policy, I provided the link as is customary. What is your point? The article indicates that our own people couldn't care less about Canadians, why all your excess attacking Canadians?
I hadn't even posted a comment yet, and you are already attacking me, for what, informing people about an issue which puts all Canadians at risk?
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of respecting copyright and fair use, shall we?
This piece is meant to illustrate how unfit John Manley is to lead the liberal
party, and perhaps the country, if and when he decides to take another run at
it. He hid his head in the sand when faced with a difficult situation, probably
so his financial interests wouldn't scream at him. The fact that the USA is
mentioned is secondary, barely relevant.
Yet somehow it's all about "evil Americans" and the blame game again (your
words, some of us are well aware that evil is not a prerequisite for
citizenship in the U.S.). You know, we have a country to run here and our
own politicians to complain about.
Like I tell my kids, quit trying to always be the centre of attention.
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"If you must kill a man, it costs you nothing to be polite about it." Winston Churchill
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"George Bush has declared the war on terrorism to be the cause of his generation. The cause of Canadian sovereignty will be ours." - John Godfrey, MP for Don Va
His leadership of the Liberals would effectively hand the CPC the "sovereignty" brand to manage. It might be fun to see what they do with it. More Sir John A. mascots and Diefenbunk, twisted to support the Alliance agenda?
Manley was Trade Minister in 1995, when he and other OECD member politicians conspired in secret to bring on the MAI, Multilateral Agreement on Investment, which would have removed virtually all democratic decicision making powers from elected governments and handed them over to corporations and unelected Star Chambers, like the NAFTA and WTO panels, making decisions over the lives of millions without any records, or accountability. The EU Constitution has basically the same powers.
The MAI was supposed to be signed in May of 1997, but it was leaked in France in late 1996 and the resulting uproar postponed the signing for a year. I had the full text of some 375 pages in my computer by May 1997, when Canadian parliamentarians were still kept in the dark. I offered it to our Reform MP, but he refused to take it and kept on talking about the "benefits" of the MAI. Manley's job was taken over by Sergio Marchi, who kept pushing the MAI, trying to persuade Canadians that it will bring "wealth and prosperity". Like NAFTA ??? Meanwhile the French government got cold feet and, fearing revolution, backed out, wrecking the treaty. Yes, "treaty" not "agreement" as sold to the public. For the time being. But the powers couldn't let the opportunity of world control slip out from their hands and it is now in all presently negotiated so called "free trade agreements", like the FTAA, that have little or nothing to do with trade, but with the imposition of dictatorial powers by special interest sectors.
Marchi is now at the WTO, working on the GATS, the General Agreement on Trade and Services, again in secret, some 160 services, like water, health, mail, municipal bylaws etc. of all WTO countries to be opened to forced takeovers by multinationals and the free movement of slave labour into other countries.
This is what Manley and co. are now propagandizing and this is what the French and Dutch voters have just knocked down, against the wishes of all their political parties and major unions. Can the Canadian public be bamboozled into accepting this fraud and the people who are promoting it ? We'll see.
Ed Deak, Big Lake, BC.
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