Arrested First Nations Activists Allege Intimidation

Posted on Thursday, June 30 at 11:34 by attack beaver
http://www.cbc.ca/story/canada/national/2005/06/29/rifles050629.html _____________________________________________ My comment: The government seems very eager to use its Anti-terrorism powers against First Nations. They haven't even been charged, and now the Police are holding thier property, which they apparently have the right papers for, to make sure they were all obtained legally. I thought that if your not charged with anything, that was that. The police aren't supposed to be able to hold property like that to my knowlege, but because its guns (oo00hh dangerous terrorists with hunting rifles) people will tolerate it. Holding the guns to "verify their legallity" without charging them is unlawful search and seizure is it not? Oh well the VPD/RCMP had to try out their new INSET team created by the Sept. 11th inspired terrorism legislation *sigh

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  1. Thu Jun 30, 2005 10:18 pm
    Yes, yes! Fascism is in vogue these days. And the cops have always been waiting for the laws of the land to get 'fuzzy.'

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    Dave Ruston

  2. Fri Jul 01, 2005 7:09 am
    Thats why more people hat cops.

  3. Fri Jul 01, 2005 2:40 pm
    <a href="http://sisis.nativeweb.org/clark/cram.html">http://sisis.nativeweb.org/clark/cram.html</a><p>---<br>Always be tolerant with those who disagree with you. After all, they have a perfect right to their ridiculous opinions-<br />
    unknown

  4. Fri Jul 01, 2005 3:25 pm
    Good ol Canada.Another fascist state.Course,if you are a native you`ve known that for oh,lets see.....150 years anyway.

  5. Fri Jul 01, 2005 4:00 pm
    I have no problem with the rifles, if they are hunting rifles, but 10,000 rounds of ammo needs a bit of explanation. I fully support the First Nations cause in every way, but let's admit, every group, or society has its nutcases, as we can see them operating all over the world. People who have, or carry 10,000 rounds around, don't seem to be on the level. Hunters only use a few rounds. When I was in WW2, we had similar repeating rifles as today's hunting guns, and each guy had 80 rounds. As a sniper, I had to carry 140, of which I only fired a handful, so I would like to know what kind of hunting party needs 714 rounds per rifle ?. Ed Deak, Big Lake, BC.

  6. Fri Jul 01, 2005 4:17 pm
    Ed, two curious questions if you don`t mind: Where did you do battle in WW2, and how did you guys conjure up the bravery do do such a thing? Sorry for going off topic, folks, but not only do I have a fascination with Canada`s military history, but I still can`t find an answer to my second question that i ask of Ed.

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    Dave Ruston

  7. Fri Jul 01, 2005 4:57 pm
    10,000 rounds is enough to slaughter an entire herd of animals. Or have a big shootout with the Cops. In either case it's better for Canada to get these nutbars off our streets.

  8. by gina
    Fri Jul 01, 2005 5:19 pm
    If you are trying to teach your people to hunt and to shoot guns I would imagine you would need a lot of practice rounds. The warriors do not have a background in violence only activism. Let's curb the racism here and look at the facts. They have their documentation in order and have not broken the law. We should all be worried when integrated national security agents disregard legal activities and tries to paint with the terrorism brush. If this was the Minutemen of America there would be no questions asked. Let's be on the side of justice for our aboriginals for once.

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    gina

  9. Sat Jul 02, 2005 3:19 am
    I was born in Hungary in 1927. Our compulsory military training began at 12. By 15 I was target champ, by 16 a platoon commander. Yes, I still have the papers and can prove it. I started Vlll gymnasium, an academic highschool, in the Fall of 1944, when the Russians arrived at Budapest. We lived in a NE suburb. The school was closed and like a good patriot I joined the army at 17. Hungary was being overrun by that time, so they took us for training in East Germany. When the Russians broke through in Jan 1945, our division commander organized a volunteer rearguard battalion of old soldiers and top riflemen. As regimental champion I was one of 6 battalion staff marksmen, detailed to a heavy machinegun squad with 2 MG 42s, to protect the guns and the crews. I received a scratch on my right ankle from a small mortarshell while on an assault patrol, but wasn't hospitalized until after the war, when my leg blew up like a football while we were on our way home with a couple of friends. They carried on and were never seen again after they crossed into the Russian zone of Austria. I was in hospital at first in Goisern, Austria, then in Obertraun near Hallstatt, at first as a patient and later as a volunteer orderly until June 46.

    In short, the lice that infected my leg saved and gave me a new life and a wonderful life companion. She was 17 when we met and I 18. We were married in Cambridge, England in 1951 and came to Canada in '55, crossing from Montreal to Vancouver in 4 weeks by motorcycle, before the Trans Canada Hwy was built. The bike is now in the Williams Lake Museum.

    If you're interested in military history, I can show you a couple of bent cartridges where a Russian sniper shot me in the stomach in the woods, but his shot ricocheted off my own cartridge pouch. Then he put another 20, or so, shots into my rucksack, as I was lying on the ground. When he was certain that I was dead, he tried to rob me. He's no longer with us, but it was a lesson that has been with me every day for 60 years. When you're lucky, count your luck, never push it but bugger off ! Ed Deak, Big Lake, BC.

  10. Sat Jul 02, 2005 4:32 am
    Thanks, Ed, but man, I guess I still can`t see what`s in your head! Wouldn`t want to find out the hard way, either!

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    Dave Ruston

  11. Sat Jul 02, 2005 4:42 am
    Now, I wish you would explain what do you mean by what's in my head?

    Let's just say an average volume of gray matter and a lot of sometimes incredible luck that became experience, combined with a good memory. Nothing special. The difference is that I've been trying to use and make the best of it all my life. Ed Deak, Big Lake, BC.

  12. Sat Jul 02, 2005 7:42 pm
    Wow. That was bigoted. 10,000 rounds is 100 rounds each for 100 people. Or 1000 rounds for 10 people. I can pop off 500 rounds in an afternoon of gopher and target shooting. 10 clips of 30 rounds per clip goes pretty fast. (yes, I know a 30 round clip is illegal, but I bought it long before it was illegal. :)

    I routinely keep 1000 rounds in my ammo locker. A case of .22 long ammo is 500 rounds by itself, and isn't much bigger than a loaf of bread.

    So far as I can remember, I haven't had a shootout with police, and I am on your streets. Because I'm not a native, does that make me not a nutbar?


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    "If you must kill a man, it costs you nothing to be polite about it." Winston Churchill



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