"New 9/11 Crisis Catalyst To Merge U.S., Mexico And Canada"

Again, the people involved in this 'merger' have not been elected and therefore this whole project is treason, simple and plain. The people of all three countries need to agree they want this and I don't recall any public forums on this topic.

Someone really needs to put their foot in Robert Pastor's ass.

Robert Pastor's influence is chickenfeed in comparison to the 3 big business gangs who are pushing for union.

Canada's PM for the past 20 has been little Tommy d'Aquino, pulling the strings behind the political puppets.

Ed Deak.

"Tommy d'Aquino, pulling the strings behind the political puppets."

So how do we get those "political puppets" that were elected, to pay attention, to us? Canada is in very bad shape, because of the party system, it is people like not elected Tommy d'Aquino, who have high jacked "government".

Tommy uses the party structure and his well placed business associates within these parties to get where he is going.

It is people like Tommy d'Aquino who use the party system to benefit his big business friends. It is people like Tommy d'Aquino, who own the people "you" voted for and those gutless elected are going to turn this country over to the USA and "you" will let it happen, because "you" believe in party politics.

All of the damage being done to Canada is being achieved thanks to the political parties in Ottawa today. These political parties are all sleeping with one another and we are getting screwed out of our "government" and our "country".

Oh say can't you see .... ?


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Good government is not a party government

One would hope that you, Wayne, are aware of the fable of the frog and the scorpion and how the frog gets stung and the scorpion declaring he stung the frog because it is in his nature.

Granted the party system is as you say it is, but so what?

To assign blame to what is and what is known ignores the gullibility of the electorate.
This is not the first time I have suggested that the electorate pass some kind of competency test is order to cast a ballot and in all likelihood it will not be the last.


on these pages I have recently read how one poster claims to make their point and sees no reason to keep repeating their assertion and on the other end there you are endlessly repeating your mantra of the party system.
I each case your, the pair of you, your absolutes are falling on deaf ears.

I know the system is fucked and have declared as much several times There has been an idea put forth here by me
now let’s see what ‘ you've’ got.


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"And God said: 'Let there be Satan, so people don't blame everything on me. And let there be lawyers, so people don't blame everything on Satan."

* George Bu

"To assign blame to what is and what is known ignores the gullibility of the electorate." <br><br> Dio makes a good point with the above, including the fable. <br><br> You simply cannot expect the head of the CCCE to be a nice fluffy ball of cuddly fur now can you? <br><br> However, one can expect Canadian's with enough brain matter to mark an 'X' in the right spot to also have the ability to eventually recognize lying scum when it presents itself over and over and over and over and over and over and over and .... well you get the picture. <br><br> "Democracy is a device that ensures we shall be governed no better than we deserve." - <i>George Bernard Shaw</i>

<b>"Every people deserves the regime it is willing to endure." White Rose Society - First Leaflet</b> <p><b>Leaflets of The White Rose</b><br> <br> The First Leaflet<br> <br> Nothing is so unworthy of a civilized nation as allowing itself to be governed without opposition by an irresponsible clique that has yielded to base instinct. It is certain that today every honest German is ashamed of his government. Who among us has any conception of the dimensions of shame that will befall us and our children when one day the veil has fallen from our eyes and the most horrible of crimes - crimes that infinitely outdistance every human measure - reach the light of day? If the German people are already so corrupted and spiritually crushed that they do not raise a hand, frivolously trusting in a questionable faith in lawful order of history; if they surrender man’s highest principle, that which raises him above all other God’s creatures, his free will; if they abandon the will to take decisive action and turn the wheel of history and thus subject it to their own rational decision; if they are so devoid of all individuality, have already gone so far along the road toward turning into a spiritless and cowardly mass - then, yes, they deserve their downfall. Goethe speaks of the Germans as a tragic people, like the Jews and the Greeks, but today it would appear rather that they are a spineless, will-less herd of hangers-on, who now - the marrow sucked out of their bones, robbed of their center of stability - are waiting to be hounded to their destruction. So it seems - but it is not so. Rather, by means of gradual, treacherous, systematic abuse, the system has put every man into a spiritual prison. Only now, finding himself lying in fetters, has he become aware of his fate. Only a few recognized the threat of ruin, and the reward for their heroic warning was death. We will have more to say about the fate of these persons. If everyone waits until the other man makes a start, the messengers of avenging Nemesis will come steadily closer; then even the last victim will have been cast senselessly into the maw of the insatiable demon. Therefore every individual, conscious of his responsibility as a member of Christian and Western civilization, must defend himself as best he can at this late hour, he must work against the scourges of mankind, against fascism and any similar system of totalitarianism. Offer passive resistance - resistance - wherever you may be, forestall the spread of this atheistic war machine before it is too late, before the last cities, like Cologne, have been reduced to rubble, and before the nation’s last young man has given his blood on some battlefield for the hubris of a sub-human. Do not forget that every people deserves the regime it is willing to endure! <br> <br> From Freidrich Schiller’s The Lawgiving of Lycurgus and Solon: <br> Viewed in relation to its purposes, the law code of Lycurgus is a masterpiece of political science and knowledge of human nature. He desired a powerful, unassailable start, firmly established on its own principles. Political effectiveness and permanence were the goal toward which he strove, and he attained this goal to the full extent possible under possible under the circumstances. But if one compares the purpose Lycurgus had in view with the purposes of mankind, then a deep abhorrence takes the place of the approbation which we felt at first glance. Anything may be sacrificed to the good of the state except that end for which the State serves as a means. The state is never an end in itself; it is important only as a condition under which the purpose of mankind can be attained, and this purpose is none other than the development of all man’s power, his progress and improvement. If a state prevents the development of the capacities which reside in man, if it interferes with the progress of the human spirit, then it is reprehensible and injurious, no matter how excellently devised, how perfect in its own way. Its very permanence in that case amounts more to a reproach than to a basis for fame; it be comes a prolonged evil, and the longer it endures, the more harmful it is.... <br> <br> At the price of all moral feeling a political system was set up, and the resources of the state were mobilized to that end. In Sparta there was no conjugal love, no mother love, no filial devotion, no friendship; all men were citizens only, and all virtue was civic virtue. <br> <br> A law of the state made it the duty of Spartans to be inhumane to their slaves; in these unhappy victims of war humanity itself was insulted and mistreated. In the Spartan code of law the dangerous principle was promulgated that men are to be looked upon as means and not as ends - and the foundation of natural law and of morality were destroyed by that law.... <br> <br> What an admirable sight is afforded, by contrast, by the rough soldier Gaius Marcius in his camp before Rome, when he renounced vengeance and victory because he could not endure to see a mother’s tears!... <br> <br> The state [of Lycurgus] could endure only under the one condition: that the spirit of the people remained quiescent. Hence it could be maintained only if it failed to achieve the highest, the sole purpose of a state.<br> From Goethe’s The Awakening of Epimenides, Act II, Scene 4. <br> SPIRITS: <br> Though he who has boldly risen from the abyss <br> Through an iron will and cunning <br> May conquer half the world, <br> Yet to the abyss he must return. <br> Already a terrible fear has seized him; <br> In vain he will resist! <br> And all who still stand with him <br> Must perish in his fall. <br> <br> HOPE: <br> Now I find my good men <br> Are gathered in the night, <br> To wait in silence, not to sleep. <br> And the glorious word of liberty <br> They whisper and murmur, <br> Till in unaccustomed strangeness, <br> On the steps of our temple <br> Once again in delight they cry: <br> Freedom! Freedom!<br> <br> Please make as many copies of this leaflet as you can and distribute them.</p>

"When the government fears the people, there is liberty. When the people fear the government, there is tyranny." - Thomas Jefferson.

There are those on this site who want nothing more than to gain POWER through the party system and then have the people FEAR them. Political parties are our enemies.

Look at the Green Party and the Liberals... Dion will not run a Liberal against Elizabeth May in Peter MacKay now riding and Elizabeth May will support Dion as a much better Prime Minister.

The Bloc are in Love with the Conservatives , Jack Layton and the NDP will jump in bed with which ever party will keep the NDP alive. It all about the PARTY...not the taxpayers.

Those who think my message that the party system is corrupt and vile,is falling on deaf ears... to bad. I am that little woodpecker, one peck at a time, some day the tree will fall.

One thing about freedom of speech, I will use it while I have it... or would you like to remove that from me too?

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Good government is not a party government

“There are those on this site who want nothing more than to gain POWER through the party system and then have the people FEAR them. Political parties are our enemies.<br />
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Sheesh!<br />
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Again with the “there are those”<br />
Who are the “those”, Oh you of the little pecker…of wood? *<br />
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“One thing about freedom of speech, I will use it while I have it... or would you like to remove that from me too?”<br />
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I, like others, possibly, who may read the above jumble of words am left with the impression that even though the write may have passion he is not clear headed enough to use concise language.<br />
For example the habit of using language that only alludes vaguely to someone comes across as being written by a weak-willed passive/aggressive resulting in dismissal of all you are trying so heroically to say. <br />
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Wayne, because your issue is of grave importance to you I will, out of the goodness of my heart offer the advice of T.L. Hubeart on How to win online debates<br />
<a href="http://members.aol.com/basfawlty/tips.htm">http://members.aol.com/basfawlty/tips.htm</a> <br />
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1. First and foremost, have something to say. (This would seem fairly obvious, but in fact it is violated thousands of times every day by various users who get a thrill simply from seeing their stream-of-consciousness ramblings made public.) <br />
2. Know your facts. If you say something, be able to back it up when challenged, preferably with sound source material. Naturally, one can't know everything, but a line from Beaumarchais' Marriage of Figaro is apropos: "I don't dispute what I know nothing about." If you don't know a subject, either stay away from it or do all you can to learn about it and make yourself equal to those you wish to challenge. <br />
3. Watch spelling and grammar. All of us will make lapses on occasion, but those who habitually write posts marred with errors in spelling and grammar are like those who show up at a town meeting in shabby, tattered clothing. Since people have nothing by which to judge you except words on a screen, shouldn't those words be as tidy as possible? <br />
4. When you make a mistake, admit it. In fact, be the first to do so. Many times, when I have realized too late that I have made a mistake in a posting, I have posted an immediate correction. Once on a religion forum, I misspelled an adversary's name (a difficult one) several times in one of my posts. When I realized this, I immediately apologized via a follow-up post. No one else ever mentioned it after that. If you admit your own mistakes first, this will take the wind out of the sails of anyone who wants to ridicule you for erring. Conversely, if you stonewall and refuse to admit error, you will almost certainly be humiliated before scores of users in your forum. <br />
5. Avoid personal attacks. Going ad hominem is a sure sign of a lack of substantial argument, and will denote you as a first-class nincompoop to any intelligent readers of what goes on your forum. It's valid to say that someone obviously misunderstands an issue, but not to say that he or she must be stupid not to understand it. (There's a difference.) <br />
If you stick to the high road while your adversary throws mud at you, smart people (the ones you want to impress) will take note. They will take your arguments seriously and disregard the rantings of your opponent. In tandem with this: <br />
6. Be tenacious. Don't let your foe change the subject to your personality or the personalities of those you support. Kindly but firmly insist on the original issues. If you ask a question and it doesn't get answered, point that out and ask it again. This is a far more powerful weapon than the personal attack mode that ignorant people use. You can become a real thorn in someone's side by insisting that an issue he is trying to obscure be addressed rather than shrugged off. <br />
7. Employ wit. This will show others that you are taking what your opponent says lightly, without getting bent out of shape. Also, it will be more entertaining to read, and more frustrating to your foe when he realizes he cannot fluster you. After I caught one adversary, who had been distorting what I said, in an outrageous falsehood regarding one of his alleged reference sources, I posted a "Eulogy" for his credibility, and another user volunteered to bring the shovels to "bury" it! Another time, when an opponent posted extracts from an apocryphal "Testament of Adam" to bolster his religious doctrines, I responded with a "Testament of the Cleaning Lady," found in "Origen's wastebasket," to further corroborate him! (Notice that in both of these instances I lampooned what adversaries said, but did not assail them personally for being "stupid" or "dishonest.") Lightness of touch is sadly lacking in many of the rudimentary statements made online, so using wit will set you apart from the unimaginative crowd and make your pronouncements stand out. <br />
8. Retain a sense of perspective. It's not the end of the world if you don't swat every online fly who dares to challenge your statements. Some foes are not worth your while, and you should say so outright and not let yourself be goaded into an argument that you feel wastes your time. <br />
Also, don't get caught up in responding to everything immediately; this makes you look like you have nothing better to do. Even if you don't have a life outside the computer, make it look as if you do. Space out your replies, and use the extra time to make them especially potent. It's not likely that anyone else in your forum knows what you're doing while you're not replying--and anyone who objects to your slowness of response leaves himself open to the charge of not having a life! ("Gee, CyberKnucklehead265, sorry that visiting my sick mother in the hospital kept me from replying to your post right away. Guess I need to get my priorities in order! ") <br />
Some of these you already use so those parts will be familiar to you and really need no further explanation, But in all honesty Wayne, you are allowing your passion for your topic to out weigh the rules of good communication and as a result come across is such a manner as to look the fool.<br />
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I am going to suggest you somehow find a writing coach to help you because of how important you see your message to be.<br />
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Good luck, and hard studying to you Wayne Coady, <br />
May you be the one to create the new system of governance?<br />
That remains to be seen<br />
Respectfully, <br />
Dio<br />
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* <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peckerwood">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peckerwood</a> <br />
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<p>---<br>"And God said: 'Let there be Satan, so people don't blame everything on me. And let there be lawyers, so people don't blame everything on Satan."<br />
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* George Bu

Nice to know there is a handbook on how to win online
debates. What do I get if I win an online debate? A dog
biscuit?

Getting back to the issue at hand, proposing a solution
to the "Party System Problem" is what really falls on
deaf ears. Why would anyone even listen to a solution
when most people do not even realize there is a
problem? One can use the analogy of a junky not
wanting to check into rehab because he truly does not
think that he has a problem. I think it's called being in
denial.

What's wrong with Wayne constantly beating it over our
heads that there is a problem with the party system?
Maybe someone new is reading this post that hasn't
read his previous posts. Maybe this persistent prodding
is what it takes to get the message through some
people's thick skulls. You sure as hell aren't going to
get anywhere putting the cart before the horse.

Q.<br />
“What do I get if I win an online debate? A dog <br />
biscuit?”<br />
A.<br />
Respect!<br />
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Glad you could weigh in Sphinxy,<br />
Proposing a solution to the party system is to be applauded, BUT so far that is not what Wayne has done<br />
“What’s wrong with Wayne constantly beating it over our heads that there is a problem with the party system?”<br />
Glad you asked!<br />
The “wrong” is in the beating! Force will not get the result you desire to achieve! <br />
Wisdom has a better chance<br />
Beating people over the head sure the hell ain’t gonna endear them to your message <br />
How’d your FLQ boys do by bombing and n=murder? Did they achieve what they were after?<br />
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If. And you know how I “love” that word, there is denial as you say then the challenge is to bring recognition to the problem so it can no longer be denied <br />
Here you are wanting to bring attention to what the pair of you see as a problem and the method you choose to use is denigrating insults towards those you wish to attract.<br />
Well ain’t that gonna get you the results you want , huh?<br />
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The use of “putting the cart before the horse is a piss poor example and here is why<br />
When the desired outcome is to have people become attracted to a particular philosophy, political or otherwise it has been found to be useful to present for approval what it is you want them to attracted to, is it not?<br />
Wayne’s strategy is flawed! As is yours! <br />
Perhaps if (that word again) Wayne were to lay out compelling reason FOR rather than AGAINST he might have success<br />
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Here you will find some clues of what I am speaking of <br />
<a href="http://72.14.205.104/search?q=cache:JCHfBu4LOHAJ:www.beinghealthynaturally.com/helpfulinsights/towardsaway.htm+towards+versus+Away+from+%2B+NLP&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=1">http://72.14.205.104/search?q=cache:JCHfBu4LOHAJ:www.beinghealthynaturally.com/helpfulinsights/towardsaway.htm+towards+versus+Away+from+%2B+NLP&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=1</a> <br />
If you are an away from type person, you will never fully achieve your goals. You will often slip back into your old patterns, only to move away from them again. As an away from person you will only take action as long as the displeasure is bad enough. Once you have moved away from the displeasure enough, there will not be much displeasure and you will lose motivation to move away from it.<br />
If you are a towards person you will move towards your goals until you reach them. You will then set new goals and move towards them. And even if you have some sort of displeasure, you will set a goal that is the opposite of the displeasure and move towards that goal.<br />
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<p>---<br>"And God said: 'Let there be Satan, so people don't blame everything on me. And let there be lawyers, so people don't blame everything on Satan."<br />
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* George Bu

Nice comment Wayne. It matters not what political party you vote for, they are all scum bags. The only difference is which urinal they piss your tax dollars down. <br />
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A solution is to stop initiating force upon others. You(you being the general public) may like public healthcare, you may like public education, you may like a public animal shelter so all the little puppies and kitties can be saved, fine, nothing wrong with that. However, ask yourself if you would be willing to walk up to your neigbour and put a gun to their head and demand they give you a portion of their income to fund your favourite public program. No? Then stop making the government do it for you. As long as you make the government do this for you, you are initiating force, most people don't think about this as they don't actually see the force or initiate it on a personal level. As long as you endorse this system you approve of government using force as the mafia does, the government is nothing but a bunch of goons, except these goons are more than happy to kill you if you don't pay taxes. Think about that. The government is willing to kill you if you resist paying taxes (take not paying your income taxes and your property taxes to it's logical conclusion). This upsets me, especially when child touching pervs like Whitmore <br />
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<a href="http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/20060803/whitmore_chronology_060803/20060803/">http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/20060803/whitmore_chronology_060803/20060803/</a><br />
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will never experience the same level of force. This is the gun in the room. <br />
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<a href="http://www.lewrockwell.com/molyneux/molyneux29.html">http://www.lewrockwell.com/molyneux/molyneux29.html</a><br />
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Government taken to its logical conclusion always means a gun in your face. If you don't get a dog liscence you get fined, if you don't pay that fine you go to court, in court you are fined again, if you don't pay the new fine you go back to court or end up with a few weeks in jail, if you resist going to jail then a warrant is put out for your arrest (imagine the cops looking for you the unliscenced dog owner while Peter Whitmore is out touching boys, go government go!), if you resist arrest violently you die.<br />
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Another example using an actual law.<br />
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The law:<br />
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<a href="http://www.mississauga.ca/portal/residents/doglicence;jsessionid=LSZFWXUL3CM4LTRPH3XSFE4OF25W2JVC?paf_gear_id=9700018&itemId=45500029">http://www.mississauga.ca/portal/residents/doglicence;jsessionid=LSZFWXUL3CM4LTRPH3XSFE4OF25W2JVC?paf_gear_id=9700018&itemId=45500029</a><br />
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quote:"$10,000.00 fine and or 6 months in jail. (previously $2000.00 and no jail time)"<br />
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Lets say your pit bull attacks a farmers cow and the cow dies, instead of you paying the farmer an agreed upon replacement price for their cow, the government gets involved and fines you 10 grand, (chances of even 1 cent of that 10 grand making it back to the farmer, 0%), perhaps the government jails you as well, adding yet again to the taxpayers tax burden (we have to pay for your lodging in jail, food, training, government mandated therapy, blah, blah, blah). Don't forget all the court costs and the costs of police, lawyer, judge, animal control, media etc. It is nice to shout out "We need law and order, without government protection society would destroy itself," but take the law, the rule, the regulation to it's logical conclusion, what happens if you do not obey? A gun in your face. That may be okay for murder, rape, or assault but for not buying a dog licence, a permit to build your home, a permit to put solar panals on your roof, add a basement suite to your house, sell food, practice medicine, teach, no, sorry, I don't agree.<br />
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I do not want a "leader," I do not need to be "lead," this is not feudal Britain. I am not some serf beholden to my master. True leaders give part of themselves up so that the people they are leading grow and learn, politicians do the opposite, they take from those they think they lead so they grow and gain financially/personally. If your favourite public program is so bloody special then people will willingly pay for it, what are people afraid of? Taking responsibility for their own actions, taking ownership of themselves. Eventually I think this will end up causing a violent revolution in North America. Once the boot on our neck is raised up to come crashing down upon our heads things will get ugly.<p>---<br>My freedom is more important than your great idea.<br />
– Anonymous

wasjod, with whatever respect you feel due you,
Your idea of freedom has no standing.
Do you understand?
You only have the standing allowed you by the state.
Whatever you think, or believe is of no consequence to those whose power you are under.
If you have been following my posts since I have been here on Vive you will know I am in favour of the concept of Sovereign Citizen, Natural Law, and real Justice.
Do I make myself clear?

However.
I have no power and like it or not the state “owns’ me; as it does you.
No of us down here in the public domain “make” the government do anything.
Are you clear on this point?
The very best you can do, if you are capable and able is to go off into some isolated part of the world and exist in obscurity.
By your posts you have no idea of what it is you are up against.

Until you divest yourself of everything the state has granted you, Drivers licence, marriage licence, automobile registration, Licence plates, social insurances number, ad infinitum you are not a “Freeman” and both indeed and in deed a slave.
Push the state and the state will push back, and with a force you can not equal, Period.
Should decide that by this response I am against your ideas, as my friend Wayne seems to think, I am not. If on the other hand you are at piece with the world and your perceived place in it, You have a strange way of expressing it.
There were in the days before William the Bastard became William the Conqueror when he acted for Rome Counsels of the Hundreds. These counsels were composed of men, Freemen, of the Shire.
In those days matters were settled in the manner you describe. These were the days before the Bar was established, and I have note as my email signature, these two statements
[juris ignorantia est cum jus nostrum ignoramus]
it is ignorance of the law when we do not know our own rights"

The Bar, the Pulpit and the Press Nefariously combine To Cry up an usurpt Pow'r And stamp it Right Devine. -1695
On the first I ask you in all sincerity, “Do you know your Rights?”
If you do not you are in flagrant disregard of your duties.
Al=so please look on these pages for my post about the Bank of International Settlements It is they who hold the mortgage on your very being.
Dio


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"And God said: 'Let there be Satan, so people don't blame everything on me. And let there be lawyers, so people don't blame everything on Satan."

* George Bu

"The only difference is which urinal they piss your tax dollars down."

Once you loose control of something, it is no longer yours.

*your* tax dollar is extracted from you primarily through coercion, and failing that financial ruin is attempted and so may be physical force. Taxation through armed robbery is the definition of robbery! After *your* taxes have been stolen from you, you have no say what-so-ever in how the money is spent,which means you've lost all control over it.

To complain about pissing taxes down the drain is like complaining about the mugger who spends all the money he stole on crack!

We should instead be complaining about the theft, not how the stolen money is spent! NOTHING will ever change until control over taxation is re-established through the people.

Governments do as they please with your tax dollar because we've allowed them to steal it from us, and that has happened because we've failed to keep *our* government in check and working for us.

What I see is the opposite, we're we've all been forced to work for the government (except for a few elites who run the government of course).

We're already living in a tyranny, we just don't know it yet.

"Leaflets of The White Rose"

Thanks for posting that. I knew about the leaflet, but had never read the full text before.

The sad thing is that my first impression was that it had to do with a certain government of today until I got to the part about Germany, then I realized what I was reading.

We're repeating history again, probably because so many are thoroughly ignorant of history and even worse have been taught a false version of history.