Ontario, USA

Posted on Friday, January 02 at 22:55 by N Say
Here's a nice site by some Americans who think Ontario should join the USA: http://www.ontariousa.org/

Note that the argument given for joining are the same old one we've been hearing for 200yrs+: there would be less conflict if Ontario were part of the USA rather than independent.

Note: http://www.ontariousa.org/

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  1. Sun Jan 04, 2004 11:28 pm
    Just remember, by looking at it you\'re giving them hits :)

  2. Sun Jan 04, 2004 11:54 pm
    Exactly why bother, they, are part of the problem. Those who attempt to solve their greed appetite on the backs of others who are too stupid or too ill informed to make decisions; are really a sad lot! Our government is part of the problem rather than part of the solution, who even considers the break up of Canada for any reason?

  3. Mon Jan 05, 2004 12:23 am
    Sorry, USA, but you`ll NEVER get such a jewel! You can have Mike Harris though. Eves, Mulroney, Campbell, Chretien, Klein, and Charest can go south too. But UPPER CANADA LIVES!

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    Dave Ruston

  4. Mon Jan 05, 2004 3:18 am
    Yup!

  5. Mon Jan 05, 2004 3:20 am
    Hey Susan, did you notice how it\'s a .org, non-profit site! Heh. Tax breaks for losers.

  6. Mon Jan 05, 2004 5:40 am
    1- Does anyone know where this site originates? The word \"We\" is used a lot -is it Canadian? (heh-it\'s non-profit)

    2- I dare anybody to say this doesn\'t make your blood boil.

    Here\'s an excerpt: (I isolated 2 particularly interesting lines)

    Statehood Issues

    I have heard that not everyone in Ontario favors statehood, is this true?
    Yes and no. The hostility that exists among various provinces in Canada is like a young man picking fights with his fiancée because he would rather marry someone else, but just cannot bring himself to tell her. She is more than happy to take up the fight because she does not want to marry him either. So then why exactly are they engaged? Their parents arranged it. That is simply not good enough, and today\'s Ontarians do not want the dead hand of history to permanently doom them to something that had its chance but failed.

    No longer simply complacent in being part of a second class nation on a first class continent,

    [whatever that means]

    they want to be free to pursue their own destiny, free to make their own choices, and free live their own lives. They want to be a full part of the United States but just cannot bring themselves to say it, so they make it inevitable through a self fulfilling prophecy.

    On Nationalism:

    Meanwhile in the last century, the bonds that have drawn Ontario closer to the U.S. have grown ever stronger. So united are we in so many broad reaching aspects of our daily lives that it would be difficult to differentiate between Ontario and the U.S., if not for the border that divides us. Yet ultimately its not that Canada is so bad, which it clearly is not. Its that the United States, even with all of its admitted faults is so good. And as that very border between Ontario and the U.S. has lost its modern relevance, so has the notion of Canadian nationalism in its current
    context.

    Canada no longer really has a reason for existing,

    and more are becoming aware of that fact. The once dominant east-west flow of trade has ultimately been trumped by a north-south flow. The nation is now more than ever, the exact opposite of what it was created to be in 1867. Its time we let go of the historical remnants of the past in order to take charge of our own destiny—within our own American continent. The ultimate irony though is that with statehood, nothing that Ontario is would be lost, but all that Ontario could be in the good sense would be gained.


    Feel better?

  7. by avatar Jesse
    Mon Jan 05, 2004 8:38 am
    I wish! .org doesn\'t necessarily mean tax breaks; I\'ve got a couple .org domains which don\'t get me anything, since they\'re not registered non-profit organisations. :(

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    JvH

  8. by N Say
    Mon Jan 05, 2004 8:40 am
    Where does it originate? There\'s a link off the site to another one which is trhe site of the organisation which this Ontario USA group is a part of. It\'s (of course) a hawkish American site that is very likely (not sure if I saw this there, I wasn\'t there long) that they are affiliated with the \"English-only\" community or maybe even white supremacists. I\'m not 100% sure, but it\'s not an outlandish possibility. btw-I just noticed how badly-written my comment is. At least the english-student editor didn\'t nag me. :)

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    "So many right-wing Christians, so few lions." - t-shirt I saw @ school

  9. by avatar Jesse
    Mon Jan 05, 2004 8:46 am
    The contact info for that site lists an address in Hamilton, ON. <p> (see <a href="http://www.city.stoney-creek.on.ca/">http://www.city.stoney-creek.on.ca/</a>)<p>---<br>JvH

  10. Mon Jan 05, 2004 9:21 pm
    I guess it\'s good to know what the other side is saying, but really it makes me sick!!! Has anyone ever talked to someone from Ontario that thinks like that? Other than those elected to Ottawa of course, Not I.

  11. by avatar Flick
    Mon Jan 05, 2004 9:58 pm
    The guy who runs it, Marcus Mayer, (according to his contact email address, that's his name) is obviously a dork, a member of this crazy right-wing organization:<br> <br> http://www.geocities.com/us_int/USI-Members.html<br> <br> Not much point attacking them, since they seem to be simply dolts with fonts too big. Expansionist Party of America and such nonsense.<br> <br> Exapnsionist Party seems at first glance to be leaning towards anti- semitism, talks about Bush tricking Christians into siding with Jews against Arabs, etc. So, they're RIGHT OF BUSH. Har har.<p>---<br>“Sex, Drugs, Love, Marx...” <br />Flick Harrison’s new digital feature <br />MP3, trailer, scenes and stills at: <br />http://www.armedrabble.org/sdlm.htm

  12. Mon Jan 05, 2004 10:11 pm
    I`m from Ontario, and I`ve lived at both ends of Lake Erie near the Detroit border and Buffalo border. I don`t want to be assimilated! RESISTANCE IS NOT FUTILE!

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    Dave Ruston

  13. Mon Jan 05, 2004 11:30 pm
    I\'ve talked to far too many (mostly rural) Albertans who think that Alberta should join the USA. I assume there\'s some in every province.

  14. Tue Jan 06, 2004 1:57 am
    Oh there\'s plenty of those in urban corporate Alberta too. Blech.



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