Running Split

Posted on Friday, May 28 at 10:59 by Tristan
It's quite obvious that the "progressive" movement is fractured. There are parties, peoples, and projects - each independent, and weaker for it. They are weaker, at least, in terms of potential electoral support. For example, the Green Party may manage to bring in as much as 5% of the vote. The Canadian Action Party pulled in roughly 27,000 votes last election. We know that people like David Orchard and Joe Clark have clout that could be added to any action they support. In crunching some theoretical numbers the other day, I arrived at a percentage that was quite impressive. I thought, value added, there could be as much as 10% out there for a coalition of progressive parties, persons, and groups. David Orchard had a very strong following from within the old PC party. Joe Clark, too, had his backers. Lets not forget all those who read Mel Hurtig's work, but don't have a real option as of yet. Then there's the new Progressive Canadian Party, alienated Liberals, and a host of other landless established powers. When Mel Hurtig suggests that the best group to tap is the non-voting crowd, I agree. However, the untamed potential voter operates under the assumption, often, that their vote doesn't count. There are those who agree with CAP and the Green Party that fail to vote, not seeing the impetus for real change. I think few would disagree when I suggest that the above groups, merged, could be seen as a strong enough base to grow into a real political option. This is all very obvious, though. Why hasn't it happened? Do these groups vary so wildly in their beliefs? Could not the economic policy of the Canadian Action Party be merged with the environmental policy of the Green Party? Could David Orchard not throw his weight behind that union? That would a force to be reckoned with, even without the others backing it. It seems feasible. But there's some obstruction - some cog in the gears of unity. Perhaps it is even appropriate. It may be that the conflict is not with name changes, but with the very ideals of the groups coming into conflict. In either case, I hope that the CNF can deliver an answer to this pressing issue. We have sent out our first letters asking for the three top priorities of each group. We have asked that they list the perceived problems with a merger, and, as appropriate, the expected support they will have coming out of this election. These questions answered, we will be returning all parties with the list of key policies they gave us. They shall strike from the list those policies incompatible with their own, and return the list to the CNF. When compiled and properly assimilated, we will publish a report answering the very questions asked here. We will be able to list the groups that could work together, and the reason why the others couldn't. This unbiased report should shed some light on the future options open to progressives as well as providing something of a divining rod for those who don't yet know where to quench their thirst for a better Canada. Info on Project 2004 can be found at www.freenation.ca (follow the banner)

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  1. Fri May 28, 2004 10:37 pm
    I look forward to the results of your efforts.

    I myself wonder if the differences are ego, power, or some other variable.

    Keep us posted.



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    "Arrogance in Politics is unacceptable"
    Jim Callaghan
    Minden, Ontario
    705-286-1860
    www.misterc.ca

  2. Sat May 29, 2004 1:37 am
    Yes Tristan that sounds like something I'd like to know the answers to as well. And Jim, I was wondering the same thing about "but I started the party, ... blah, blah, blah", ego driven stuff, because they all do seem so close in values that it's crazy to split the movement up?

  3. Sat May 29, 2004 2:37 am
    I was watching CPAC tonight, and Peter had the leader of the Green Party on for a discussion. Peter kept asking why, if their policies are so close to the NDP, would they want to split the centre-left vote ?

    I agree, we had a split on the right, and now we seem to have the same thing on the left.

    The Greens are hoping to gather over a million votes this election, and if they worked together, they could make a huge dent in the right-wing campaigns.

    This is where we need Proportional Representation, so both parties could win seats.

    I'm afraid that if the Greens take too many votes away from Layton in his quest for a seat, then Dennis Mills could win the seat again, and that would be a disaster. Mills has the manners of a goat, I watched him during that committee looking into the AdScam and he made an ass out of himself on more than one occasion.

    We'll just have to wait and see.



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    "Arrogance in Politics is unacceptable"
    Jim Callaghan
    Minden, Ontario
    705-286-1860
    www.misterc.ca

  4. Sat May 29, 2004 2:39 am
    I guess I should have said Mills has the manners of a donkey. (ass ?)



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    "Arrogance in Politics is unacceptable"
    Jim Callaghan
    Minden, Ontario
    705-286-1860
    www.misterc.ca

  5. by N Say
    Sun May 30, 2004 2:38 am
    This is so exciting! If this guy's group can organise and get all like-minded Canadians together & cooperate we can't lose! Just see the examples set in Venezuela and Brazil!

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    "We can only see a short distance ahead, but we can see plenty there that needs to be done." - Alan Turing

  6. by JimmyD
    Mon Jun 14, 2004 1:42 pm
    Good Day

    Now is the time to revive this project and give this young fellow a hand. This is the logical continuation of the One Big Party concept and is the focal point to get this project started again.

    I would suggest that we start off with talks between CAP, PC and David Orchard supporters to see if we can get an agreement. If this works then we can go to the Greens and see if we can get them on board. I would leave the NDP to last. If the others come together I believe that a large numbers of NDP supporter will move.

    The Greens I believe have the right idea. They are appealling to both sides of the spectrum and thats where this new entity has to go. There is a way to bring this merger together which I believe will be attractive to all parties concerned. I will make a post later on this evening with those ideas.

    Until then lets all start thinking about this again and lets get behind the project and see if we can make this happen.

  7. by N Say
    Mon Jun 14, 2004 4:20 pm
    Like it says on the website www.freenation.ca, time to get the word out!! :D If the people of Brazil & Venezuela can get 'one of their own' elected, so can we!

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    "These Yankee politicians are the lowest race of thieves in existence." - Sir John Sparrow Thompson



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