Williams Backs Down On Flag Ban

Posted on Friday, December 31 at 01:12 by Perturbed
He said opposition to the flag ban is a carefully orchestrated attempt to embarrass his province. He said letters and e-mails opposing the ban, and sent to the media, are tactics of the federal government's "communication machine." www.theglobeandmail.ca/servlet/story/RTGAM.20041230.wflag1230/BNStory/National/ The cities of Newfoundland are apparently taking the bait, though not all of the citizens are happy with the flag being used as a political weapon: Newfoundland cities back Williams in flag dispute Canadian Press St. John's — The red-and-white Canadian Maple Leaf has disappeared from more government buildings in Newfoundland, as a symbolic snub of Ottawa for failing to deliver a new offshore deal continues to spread. Officials in St. John's, Mount Pearl and Corner Brook say they have removed Canadian flags from their buildings to show their solidarity with the province in what has become a patriotic-sounding war of words over offshore revenues. "Down she came," St. John's Mayor Andy Wells said Wednesday of the Canadian flag in the front of City Hall. "The majority of Newfoundlanders support Premier Williams's position on this issue — it's part of a larger problem we have with our whole relationship with Canada," said Wells. Last week, Premier Danny Williams blasted the federal government for not coming through with an offshore deal and ordered the Maple Leaf removed from provincial buildings in protest. Newfoundland and Nova Scotia have been trying to reach a final deal with the federal government to end the equalization clawback that sends the majority of their offshore revenues into federal coffers. However, public support for the flag stunt has been as up and down as the emblem itself. Prime Minister Paul Martin has called the decision to remove the flag disrespectful, arguing it shouldn't be treated "as a tool for partisan politics." Sam Connors of Pouchcove, just outside St. John's, agreed. The former head of the provincial federation of municipalities says he's offended by the way the flag has become a political weapon. Mr. Connors's son has completed five tours overseas with Canada's Armed Forces, including trips to Bosnia and Afghanistan. "My wife and I spent many a night wondering if he was going to be sent home, draped in a flag," he said. "I'm mighty, mighty proud to be a Canadian, and so's my whole family." Mr. Connors said that while he agrees with Williams's position on the offshore issue, the flag stunt went too far. "For the premier of our province to take down the flag in protest, to me, that's the lowest form of politicking that you could do." . . . "One way of bringing a province together or a community together is to have a common enemy," said Mr. Tomblin, a political science professor at Memorial University. "It's like a family. If they're fighting among themsevles, the best thing you can do is have some kind of a crisis that will bring the family together and rally the troops." In Mount Pearl, Mayor Steve Kent has taken the flag flap a step further. He's not only taken down the Canadian flag, he's put up the so-called Republic of Newfoundland flag — the flag commonly associated with the province before it joined Confederation in 1949 . . . Mayor Priscilla Boutcher wrote to Mr. Williams with her concerns. "I agree with what the premier's doing, but I don't agree with the flag part of it," Ms. Boutcher said. "I've had a lot of calls from some legionnaires here in Corner Brook, they're really upset about it." Mr. Tomlin said Newfoundland is still nursing its wounds over the collapse of the cod fishery and the raw deal the province believes it received when it signed a deal with Hydro Quebec to develop the Churchill Falls hydroelectric project . . . www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20041229.wflag1229/BNStory/Front

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  1. Fri Dec 31, 2004 1:15 pm
    yeah ok, a piece by CP, and picked up and run with by the Globe and Mail. Why does this site bother with these manufactured events? Everyone involved an actor for the illuminati. If people did their research you'd find out there is only two flags that matter in this story... The skull and bones, and the pyramid star. All other flags are just a Chinese factory production run to be later sold at Walmart.

  2. by gorian
    Fri Dec 31, 2004 5:27 pm
    Don't forget the aliens. They have a flag and its everywhere, just most people can't see it. And Elvis. He has an army, and they have a flag. They're taking over. Watch out!

    Maybe when the rosicrucians have teamed up with Elvis and the aliens, and the masons, they'll be able to join powers and bring back jesus -- and then jesus can get a flag and walmart can sell that one too.

  3. Fri Dec 31, 2004 6:58 pm
    Hi anonymous. I have heard many conspiracies myself. Some of them may be based on a germ of truth, but they all contradict each other.

    Tell me this: can you PROVE what you are saying? The burden is on you to prove this.

    Yes, there are ruling classes, we get it, but does it really matter what group they are a membebr of? Doesn't it change from time to time? What about the bilderbergs? Or the trilateralists?

    Any proof that what you are saying is true?.....If they are all powerful, how did we get universal health care?

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    The best argument against democracy is a five minute conversation with the average voter --

    Winston Churchill

  4. Fri Dec 31, 2004 8:21 pm
    We got universal health care from Tommy Douglas ( Yes, I know you know this) who happened to be a leader with backbone. And the hardships of the great depression and the two world wars straddling the timeline here created a Canadian populace that naturally adapted a similar fortitude in order for this and other social programs to happen. People with values, staying the course for a greater good. But today, we have spoiled brats like Paul Martin, or idiots of privilege like Brian Mulroney who are comfortable with fraudulent governing, because naturally they get rich from it and become buddies with the other elitists of the planet. its like that old 'club' mentality, whereby people say, "I`m better than you are." As for conspiracy theories, well, there`s no question that Zionists and Skull and Bonesmen are indeed elitist clubs. But that doesn`t mean that others around the world don`t play along with this corporate fascist agenda. Therefore it is naturally correct to see it a class struggle. The wealthy elitist- corporate fascist types and their drones are the REAL problem! Thing is, the disappearing middle class and the poor are the MAJORITY! I say we unite and GET `EM !! ( seriously!)

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    Dave Ruston

  5. Fri Dec 31, 2004 9:21 pm
    Scratch a Canadian nationalist, and you get an old-fashioned leftist, preaching class struggle and promoting the politics of envy.

  6. Fri Dec 31, 2004 10:03 pm
    I don't want a 500-foot yacht. I want a subway system that doesn't double in fare cost while cutting serice in half.

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    The best argument against democracy is a five minute conversation with the average voter --

    Winston Churchill

  7. Fri Dec 31, 2004 10:17 pm
    I don't discount any conspiracy theories out of hand any more. Big Greed and Super Selfishness are capable of anything and everything, and much of the damage they do is through governments beholden to them in some way. So, anything is possible.

    But most likely this flag business is just grandstanding by a shallow political partisan, playing on the genuine grievances and worries of a seriously disadvantaged population. (at least by Canadian standards). It's another one of these emotional "wedge issues" so loved by conservatives, that are intended to divide people and forward the right wing agenda. Look how it has made Williams popularity soar without his improving anything one iota for anyone.

    I am a Newfoundlander who just last year thought of making a submission to Roger Grimes "Commission on Newfoundland's Place in Confederation", seriously questioning whether or not Canada had willfully broken its 1949 promises that brought Newfoundland into this country. I believe the case is very, very strong that they did. But I finally saw the commission as a political ploy, just as this flag nonsense is. The grievances of Newfoundlanders are real, and have been seriously exacerbated by a succession of ever weaker federal governments that followed on the heels of the Mulroney catastrophe. And to some degree, venal or shortsighted leadership in Newfoundland has made it easier for the feds to adbicate their responsibilities.

    However, Newfoundlanders and mainland Canadians alike should realize that disrespecting or "dissing" our flag will do nothing to help us or them. Newfoundlanders, like the rest of us must learn that governments formed by "mainstream" politicians and "old line" political parties can never act in the interests of those among us who need their help most. They are hopelessly compromised long before ever taking office. We have to find better options and make better choices. What's the good of democracy if we can't make it work for the most of us? This is a lesson for all, but is perhaps more important for Newfoundlanders than for some others. We should not be so easily misled and manipulated.

  8. Fri Dec 31, 2004 10:34 pm
    Nonsense!

  9. Fri Dec 31, 2004 10:55 pm
    Agreed, and I didn't discount conspiracies, I simply discounted the claim that "Only this theory is correct." If the unlikely scenario that ONE theory alone explains everything exists, the burden of proof is on the person who made the claim.

    That being said, of course wealthy people have schemes.

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    The best argument against democracy is a five minute conversation with the average voter --

    Winston Churchill

  10. Sat Jan 01, 2005 1:17 am
    "I don't want a 500-foot yacht. I want a subway system that doesn't double in fare cost while cutting serice in half."

    The mistake is in assuming that someone having a 500-foot yacht and you having a decent subway system are mtually exclusive goals.

  11. Sat Jan 01, 2005 2:18 am
    Good post,

    Danny Williams, Ralph Kein, Gordon Campell, and Dalton McGinty are all reasons many of us want to do away with Provincial governments altogether. They are not interested in making Canada the greatest country it can be. They do not see the benefit of holistic governing they want to do what the hypochondriac does. Get attention, get a prescription for short term gain and ignore the cancerous tumor growing in their heads. Why did we outlaw mercy killing?

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    "Yeah, well, [Mr. President] we used all five fingers because that's the way our mittens are made." Antonia Zerbisias

  12. Sat Jan 01, 2005 2:28 am
    Oh and before you think I like what the Feds and the opposition parties have been doing; we need to find a new way of voting them in with a foolproof way to hold them accountable. I am not happy with them either. Happy New Year!

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    "Yeah, well, [Mr. President] we used all five fingers because that's the way our mittens are made." Antonia Zerbisias

  13. Sat Jan 01, 2005 6:41 am
    McGuinty did once say that Ontarioand think more nationally than the rest of Canada, which is true IMO, but he is limited in his ability to resist corporate domination--not a strong leader. This being said, he is an improvement over Eves, no doubt....now cancel the health premium and tax the corporations for a change.

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    The best argument against democracy is a five minute conversation with the average voter --

    Winston Churchill

  14. by gina
    Sat Jan 01, 2005 1:15 pm
    Check out Amy Goodman's one hour interview with John Perkins, author of "Confessions of an Economic Hit Man" <a href="http://www.democracynow.org">www.democracynow.org</a> (Dec 31 show). Once you line up the players and follow the money it's pretty evident what's up with the world.<p>---<br>gina



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