How Did Our Mideast Policy Change?

Posted on Saturday, August 05 at 10:30 by 4Canada
Regardless of what is fuelling this fervent position, the Prime Minister is losing a great deal of credibility. Worse, Canada is losing its credibility in the world. How could one man, in a minority government, change the course of Canadian foreign policy without a debate? In 1982, when Israel invaded Lebanon, Canada took a principled stand by relying on international law. Our leaders acknowledged Israel's right to self-defence and reminded the Israeli government that it had a legal obligation to respect the principle of proportionality and ensure the protection of civilians and civilian infrastructure. This time, instead of taking a principled position based on international humanitarian law, Mr. Harper is even more strident in his support of Israel than George W. Bush and his administration. Commenting on Israel's attacks on Lebanon, Mr. Harper's now infamous qualifier of Israel's response as being "measured" went further than that of the President, who at least expressed concern for the "fledgling democracy of Lebanon." And Mr. Harper outdid himself when he questioned the presence of UN observers in southern Lebanon rather than calling for an end to hostilities to prevent further unnecessary death and destruction. Some Conservative insiders are suggesting that the Prime Minister simply made a "rookie" mistake. After all, the Middle East is a complicated file that brings out great passion. But this is an argument that is no longer acceptable. From the Prime Minister's statements and those repeated by his Foreign Affairs Minister, three conclusions are clear: (1) Canada is no longer siding with international law; (2) Canada is part of an ideologically inspired coalition of the right that includes the U.S., Britain, Australia and Israel and that is intent on bringing about change through wars and violence; and (3) Canada is not interested in solutions that will bring about a just and lasting peace in the Middle East. http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20060804.wcomment0804/BNStory/National/home

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  1. Sat Aug 05, 2006 10:05 pm
    “…How could one man, in a minority government, change the course of Canadian foreign policy without a debate?”

    ME, ME, Pick me too offer an answer.

    Answer:
    Because the other parties are corrupt and spineless.

    Now I’ll ask a question,

    “Could it be that Harper is a Christian Zionist?


    “Some Conservative insiders are suggesting that the Prime Minister simply made a "rookie" mistake.”

    More apologists Bull Shit!

    Expletive delete-ive! @#$%%@**&
    Stop saying Canada this that and the other!
    Harper IS NOT CANADA, nor does he reflect that position of all of Canada’s citizens

    I feel muuuuch better now



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    We have met the enemy and he is us
    Pogo
    A mind is a fire to be kindled, not a vessel to be filled.
    Plutarch

  2. Sun Aug 06, 2006 1:37 am
    I don't know who Harper represents, but it sure as hell isn't proud Canadians who actually love their country. Just like Mulroney, history will remember Harper as a scam artist who deceived a country into giving up its sovereignty.

  3. Sun Aug 06, 2006 1:39 am
    "From the Prime Minister's statements and those repeated by his Foreign Affairs Minister, three conclusions are clear: (1) Canada is no longer siding with international law; (2) Canada is part of an ideologically inspired coalition of the right that includes the U.S., Britain, Australia and Israel and that is intent on bringing about change through wars and violence; and (3) Canada is not interested in solutions that will bring about a just and lasting peace in the Middle East."

    Here here!. Though I don't entirely agree with point (3).

    Frank

  4. Sun Aug 06, 2006 1:54 am
    Apologies - forget here here!, try hear hear! instead.

    Frank

  5. Sun Aug 06, 2006 11:20 am
    And hopefully they repeat the Conservative party tradition of imploding. Being smashed back down to two seats is what these out of control nimrods need most.

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    If there was ever a time for Canadians to become pushy - now is the time - for time is running out on this nation called Canada.

  6. Sun Aug 06, 2006 3:25 pm
    Harper got only 23% of the eligible vote, that's less than 1/4 of the potential vote, which means he's ruling the nation without legitimacy or the support of over 3/4 of all Canadians.

    The so-called opposition could kick Harper out, but instead they prefer to let him sink the country so that later on one of these spinless parties can win the next election with about the same unbelievably low margin as Harper has now.

  7. Sun Aug 06, 2006 3:39 pm
    Personally I don't like Harper much BUT, I don't think that we should be telling Israel to stop bombing a nation that admittedly wants Israel destroyed, as for the civilian deaths, what do you expect? Hezbollah has always hidden weapons among civilians and the only way to destroy the missile launchers is to fire on those positions, Hezbollah WANTS civilians to be killed to sway political opinion in favour of them. I don't think they are doing enough to rid themselves of the Muslim threat (yes I blame Muslims and with good reason) I think that someone better take out Iran and Syria as well as they are certainly stalling on the nuclear issue long enough to get a bomb dropped on Israel, so they can destroy them and be Islamic hero's and call the palestinian casualties martyr, if you can't see it you haven't been paying attention.

  8. Sun Aug 06, 2006 5:11 pm
    "...if you can't see it you haven't been paying attention."??? That's your opening gambet is it?



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    We have met the enemy and he is us
    Pogo
    A mind is a fire to be kindled, not a vessel to be filled.
    Plutarch

  9. Sun Aug 06, 2006 7:29 pm
    SteveAustin1971,

    Your suggestion that Hezbollah/Hizbollah (who knows the correct spelling of this group?), hides among the civilians is something sinister, a plot, a ploy, something they alone would think of, yet, consider this: What would you call building illegal settlements housed with immigrants to Israel along lines that will likely get you killed before any "legitimate" Israeli? Also, what is the difference between Hezbollah and say the Swiss Army? The armed Swiss live in their communities with their weapons. Or what about the border patrols in the USA? These people live in their homes and go out with their weapons to patrol the borders and return home. How are just these few examples different than what Hizbollah is doing? (Short of the fact that they are in a full blown war.)

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    "And those who were seen dancing were thought to be insane by those who could not hear the music." Friedrich Nietzsche

  10. Mon Aug 07, 2006 12:30 am
    I find Steve Harper is more than a scam artist,that's a little mild for a man who is following his predecesors in governing Canada. Our Canada is being parted out to anyone with enough cash to buy a piece of this GREAT country. No, No, I would label his actions as TREASON. Also when he proclaims to the world that he speaks for all Canadians in describing his government's foreign policy, "I get the urge to PUKE". That SOB doesn't speak for me or anyone I know, but then again I only know working class folks. Regards, frenchy

  11. Mon Aug 07, 2006 12:45 am
    <p>It’s spelled “حزب الله‎”.</p> <p>;*)</p> <p>Different Arabic dialects can have different vowel sounds, so whether the transliteration is <i>Hezb-</i> or <i>Hizb-</i> will depend on the speaker.</p><p>---<br>Shatter your ideals upon the rock of Truth.<br />
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    — The Divine Symphony, by Inayat Khan<br />

  12. Mon Aug 07, 2006 1:07 am
    Brother Johnathan,

    I new someone would do that! If I had known how to make my computer lay it out in Arabic I would have used that too. That's funny. Thanks, for the clarification. I did go to Wikipedia and they showed both so kinda thought that might be the case. Thanks again.

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    "And those who were seen dancing were thought to be insane by those who could not hear the music." Friedrich Nietzsche

  13. Mon Aug 07, 2006 2:52 pm
    Personally, I don't see any white hats on either side of this conflict, but it disgusts me to see so many left-nationalists on here being one-sided. But aside from one or two far left wackos who seem to share the far right's hatred of Jews (proof perhaps that the political spectrum is more a circle than a line), the motivations have nothing to do with their being anti-Jewish or pro-Muslim. Rather, it's about their visceral hatred of the United States.

    Many nationalists on this site seem simply to be siding with whoever is opposing an ally of America (in this case, Israel). I don't think any of you would be losing sleep over the plights of the Palestinians or Lebanese if their opponent weren't a US ally.

    For a Canadian nationalist, America must always be on the wrong side, regardless of the context or circumstances. That's where the 9/11 conspiracy theories came from. These people couldn't stand the idea of the US or Americans being able to claim any kind of moral high ground or victim status (the left tend to equate these two concepts actually). So the nationalist left had to make the villains in 9/11 American as well, to preserve their hate-fueled worldview.

    And so now you see people on here calling for the disbanding of Israel, when what they'd really love to see is the disbanding of the United States.

  14. Mon Aug 07, 2006 4:55 pm
    individualist,

    People, as I know them, can only ever react to events from their personal experiences. (I appoligise to those that have had to hear this before) - I grew up in a huge Catholic family with restrictions and abuse at every turn. I learned that I couldn't trust anyone to take care of my needs and that I was in a survival of the fittest world. On top of that I was female in a time (and not too much has changed) when that was a great disadvantage to me or any other woman for that matter. These experiences have taught me to recognize especially, abuse of power, but also coersion, manipulation, when someone is being used and abused. I hear the words that try and shame people for their actions or make them "wrong" all the time so that the ones in power will always have the upper hand.

    This little trip down memory lane is only my way of explaining to you that I know abuse of power when I see it and that is what I see with regards to the USA and Israel. When someone has all the guns, (power), they also have the most room to make concessions and compromise. They also have the most power to be loving, compassionate and understanding. They are like the priests, nuns and parents I had as authority figures in my childhood. They could have choosen to be compassionate, understanding and loving rather than choosing to be abusive.

    To state that we hate the USA and Israel in my mind is you defending the abuse of power and that is indefensible. I feel as though Canada has been beaten down, manipulated and told she's worthless in the same way I was so it's like my life in the macrocosm and I see corporate/USA as the abuser of power. I understand terrorizing and terrorism and there is no mistake in my mind of who exactly are the terrorists in this conflict of good vs evil bullshit.

    And being as the USA and Israel are so powerful and you're onside with them, what possible motive could you have in coming here and telling us we are hateful? Are you an abuser and find some sort of personal power in even this simple act? What is your memory lane that puts you in the shoes you are reacting from?

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    "And those who were seen dancing were thought to be insane by those who could not hear the music." Friedrich Nietzsche



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