Berg Beheading: No Way, Say Medical Experts

Posted on Monday, May 24 at 23:30 by 4Canada
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[also worth reading is Al Jazeera's take on it. -- Ed]

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  1. Tue May 25, 2004 7:37 pm
    The Asia Times regularly publishes fascist Islamic diatribes against the U.S., the West, Christianity and anything un-Islamic in general. It is hardly surprising that they are trying to make Nicholas Berg's beheading sound like a sinister plot to discredit Islam. So what if he was dead before the beheading? or drugged out? those savages still beheaded him. Islam is a religion of violence, check out all the conflicts of the past decade worldwide and you will find Islamics involved in the vast majority of them - a fact that is not often mentioned by our 'culturally sensitive' press, but hard to ignore once it's realized.

  2. Tue May 25, 2004 8:02 pm
    Checking those same conflicts, you will also find that the USA is involved. Iraq, Iran, Kuwait, Israel/Palestine; the US is in there directly or indirectly(i.e. by supplying weapons).

  3. by L. Ray
    Tue May 25, 2004 8:04 pm
    Have you got any concrete examples of their diatribes?

    I have occasionally visited the site (through google news links) and have found no such thing.

    What gets me in particular about this sordid affair is the slant of beheading being any more barbarous than putting people to death in US prisons with chemical injections. It takes up to 15 minutes for the condemned to die.

    Furthermore, remember the old dictum about truth being the first casualty of war?
    Remember the stories about the babies being pulled from Kuwaiti incubators by Saddam's troups? They were lies.
    So it's quite plausible that the Berg beheading is a lie too.

    Murdered he was.

    How about the ten thousand plus Iraqi civilians who were killed?
    Are they just 'collateral damage'?

    I'm not minimising the murder of Berg but I am appalled how his death is being used for propaganda purposed.

    His father did the American thing and sued the US federal government but when -and if- some more facts emerge from that you Mr Anonymous will be hiding somewhere else under your favourite alias. (Anonymous)

    I really don't understand why people use this. My alias is not my real name (don't like to use that on the net, even in email) and it's so easy to just get another alias if you exasperated other posters. But at least people can tell me apart from all the other 'Anonymous" crowd.

    How about the wedding guests in Iraq and Afghanistan who were killed by trigger happy US soldiers?

    Remember our own soldiers killed by 'friendly US fire'?

    I wouldn't be surprised if you didn't since you seem to have certain filters installed in your brain or if you just bought the official line that these were not wedding parties and the US pilot -in spite of being told to hold his fire- shot at 'insurgents'. (A puzzling word when you fight others invading your country.)

  4. Tue May 25, 2004 8:32 pm
    As I posted in the Forums, <a href='http://www.kuro5hin.org/story/2004/5/15/22827/0477'>Here<a> is another breakdown of the fishyness of that video. Plenty of links for more examples. Not the least of which is: The CIA reported Al-Zarqawi's voice was identified on that tape and was indeed responsible for the beheading, but also said Al-Zarqawi was killed months earlier in an attack on a house he was in. There has been no comment on this apparent contradiction.<p><p>---<br>"History does not repeat itself, but it does rhyme" Mark Twain <br />
    "The greatest price of not participating in politics is being governed by your inferiors." Plato

  5. Wed May 26, 2004 9:39 pm
    "So what if he was dead before the beheading? or drugged out? those savages still beheaded him."

    I would like to point out that the USA is the only country in the world that kills the underage and the mentally ill in the name of justice. This is state sponsored murder. Not even China does this anymore. What about the American "savages"?

    "Islam is a religion of violence, check out all the conflicts of the past decade worldwide and you will find Islamics involved in the vast majority of them - a fact that is not often mentioned by our 'culturally sensitive' press, but hard to ignore once it's realized."

    And christianity has no blood on it's hands? Remember the Spanish Inquisition anybody, the holy wars? The simple fact is religion along with nationalism has been responsible for most wars and certainly the most bloody of them. However, to call Islam a religion of violence is simply false. I am not Islamic, I was born into a Catholic family but do not currently practice any organized religion. That being said, labeling all members of a religion or race by the actions of a few is racist. Islamic teachings are not very different from Christianity. I would suggest you do more research before making such statements.

    How would you react if Iran invaded Canada and started forcing their ideals on our society? Would not members of our society rise up and use tactics such as these? This has been and is what is going on in the middle east. The US is attempting to exert control of this area and the people there do not like it.

    Yes his death was not right, so were the deaths of all the innocents.

    As the article points out the timing of this video and information on the alleged perps is more then a little suspect.

    Finally: No action by the Iraqy people, terrorists, Islamics, or anybody else you care to mention gives the US the right to torture people. A country considered to be "the land of the free" must maintain the morale high ground at all times.

    I apologize for the length of this post, just thought some of this had to be said.

  6. Thu May 27, 2004 2:16 pm
    There's also the issue that Al-Zarqawi speaks with a Jordanian accent while the speaker on the video doesn't.

    Seems awfully "wag-the-dog-ish" to me.



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