Toews Blasted For Plan To Give Police A Say In Selecting Judges

Posted on Saturday, November 11 at 11:59 by Anonymous
In an unprecedented development Thursday, Canada’s chief justice, Beverley McLachlin, and other senior judges slammed Toews for failing to consult with anyone before announcing reforms to the process for appointing federal judges. “We call upon the minister to initiate an immediate process of consultation on the proposed changes with the judiciary, the Canadian Bar Association and Law Societies, and other interested persons,” Supreme Court of Canada Chief Justice Beverley McLachlin said in a statement released late Thursday by the Canadian Judicial Council. Toews, in his statement, ignored the rebuke, saying only the government is pleased to bring police onboard by appointing a member of the law enforcement community in each province to advisory committees that screen candidates for the 1,100-member federally appointed bench. “The voices of police are critical in our legal system, but they have never been represented in this process,” Toews said. http://www.canada.com/nationalpost/news/story.html?id=84ea410e-05ac-4dc2-a770-12556345807b&k=44136 [Proofreader's note: this article was edited for spelling and typos on November 14, 2006]

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  1. by Deacon
    Sat Nov 11, 2006 8:07 pm
    Sieg!

    Heil!

    Sieg!

    Heil!

    'Nuff said.

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    "and the knowledge they fear is a weapon to be used against them"

    "The Weapon" - Rush

  2. Sun Nov 12, 2006 6:58 am
    “The voices of police are critical in our legal system, but they have never been represented in this process"

    The police department's job is to enforce the law, not influence, nor rule on it. This proposal is a major conflict of interest that will lead to numerous abuses of the justice system. Facism is not only knocking on our doors, it is kicking it in.

  3. Sun Nov 12, 2006 7:27 am
    ‘Fascism is not only knocking on our doors, it is kicking it in.’

    No it ain't! And no they aren't!

    The premise is all wrong!

    There is no need to kick down nor knock to gain entry, entry was built-in hundreds of years ago. The methods have been improved with technologies.

    Got a cell phone?
    They have built into them electronics to tell where you are. The list goes on


    the door have belonged to them since the demand for ALL live births be "registered"


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    Diogenes said:
    "I am Diogenes the Dog. I nuzzle the kind, bark at the greedy and bite scoundrels."

  4. Sun Nov 12, 2006 6:46 pm
    "The police department's job is to enforce the law, not influence, nor rule on it."

    Police officers were never intended on being Judge and Jury as well. Few want to be. A good police officer knows what laws were broken after the investigation. The courts are there to determine if he/she was right.

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    Expect little from life and get more from it.

  5. by Innes
    Mon Nov 13, 2006 2:35 am
    While I agree that police officers should not be involved in the selection of judges I also believe that crown prosecutors should have equal weight with defence attorneys in the process. It is as important in civil as in criminal law to have a "just" system.

    I am not sure that has been the practice in the past. When the system is biased towards the criminal defence system it becomes as unjust as if the reverse were the case. When you have a system that becomes heavily biased towards one side or the other than it comes into disrepute. The result is an over-reaction in the opposite direction which is what is happening now.

    It is unfortunate that most of the reaction here is simple prejudice against the police.

  6. Mon Nov 13, 2006 2:46 am
    "It is unfortunate that most of the reaction here is simple prejudice against the police."

    That is quite the claim innes
    Please give a full explaination!


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    Diogenes said:
    "I am Diogenes the Dog. I nuzzle the kind, bark at the greedy and bite scoundrels."

  7. by RPW
    Mon Nov 13, 2006 4:00 pm
    The problem with the justice system is that judges are not subject to it as well.............

    For instance, if a judge releases a pedophile, who subsequently molests children, can it not be said the judge failed in his/her task of judgement? So why do they remain judges?

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    "Son, if you wanna get ahead in this world, never work for another man as long as you live."

  8. Mon Nov 13, 2006 6:04 pm
    "It is unfortunate that most of the reaction here is simple prejudice against the police."

    I don't think anyone is reacting in a prejudiced way against law enforcement personnel. For the most part, they do fine work, considering the difficulty of their job.

    What some people are commenting on is the potential conflict of interest such a scenario could create. It's all about the fundamental principle of Checks and Balances, which seem to be under attack on all fronts.

  9. by Deacon
    Mon Nov 13, 2006 6:10 pm
    My initial reply was, if you looks at it historically, not simple prejudice againts the police.

    It was an indictment of an utterly corrupt system plunging headlong into fascism.

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    "and the knowledge they fear is a weapon to be used against them"

    "The Weapon" - Rush

  10. Mon Nov 13, 2006 8:57 pm
    What some people are commenting on is the potential conflict of interest such a scenario could create.<<

    It goes further. A fellow police officer was envolved with the investigation (several years back) of a ship running into a bridge when it was foggy. The pilot was charged for negligence. The officer was face to face with the defence during the trial. The defence lawer attempted to introduce the fact, that the police officer had an insurance policy, with the same insurance company covering the bridge damage. He attempted to prove Bias on behalf of the officer.

    I had a conviction of a party I charged. It turned out that a neighbour of mine was a brother to the judge who ruled the conviction.

    In both cases it was ruled neither of us (nor the judge in my case) were considered bias. Police officers selecting judges would open a whole new can of worms.

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    Expect little from life and get more from it.

  11. by Deacon
    Mon Nov 13, 2006 11:28 pm
    One of my friend has an interesting theory concerning this:

    The enforcement of law in the courts is a very lucrative industry.

    Criminals are the resources that are processed in this industry.

    Lawyers make large amounts of money working the system, and in their duties as defenders of the accused.

    Now also consider that a repeat offender who is behind bars is no longer an available resource for processing through the system.

    Now, consider also that one must first have been a lawyer in order to be a judge.

    As long as there are avaiable resources allowed on the street to commit criminal acts, the money flows into their pockets.

    And that, according to my friend, is why the clearly and obviously guilty are allowed to walk, be granted easy parole, and given sentences far too short to fit the crime.

    And much as I hate to admit it, he has a point.




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    "and the knowledge they fear is a weapon to be used against them"

    "The Weapon" - Rush

  12. Fri Nov 17, 2006 11:24 pm
    Police mentality <br />
    <br />
    <a href="http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/november2006/161106torturedid.htm">http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/november2006/161106torturedid.htm</a><br />
    <br />
    <br />
    For whatever reason you have chosen to ignore responding to the question of supporting your claim innes. I cannot and will not let your claim go unchallenged be cause the preponderance of article like the one found here <a href="http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/november2006/161106torturedid.htm">http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/november2006/161106torturedid.htm</a> and before the reaction of "Oh that happens only in America " arises the police in British Columbia are under the microscope for their behaviours.<br />
    beatings, shootings, out and out murder are what justified bias from the public are based upon.<br />
    Do you have a family member in any of the police forces?<br />
    <br />
    I have come to respect your opinion on many topics, this one is where we part company.<br />
    <br />
    <br />
    <p>---<br>Diogenes said:<br />
    "I am Diogenes the Dog. I nuzzle the kind, bark at the greedy and bite scoundrels."



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