Is Turnabout Fair Play?

Posted on Friday, August 22 at 09:42 by RickW

If the conflict in Georgia ushers in a sustained period of renewed animosity between Russia and the West, Washington fears that a newly emboldened but estranged Moscow could use its influence, money, energy resources, United Nations Security Council veto and, yes, its arms industry to undermine American interests around the world.
http://www.iht.com/articles/2008/08/21/europe/policy.php

Is it possible that Russia senses that the United States has left itself extremely vulnerable because of the way it has over-extended itself financially in George Bush's self-proclaimed "War on Terror"?

Could it be that Russia is taking a page from Ronald Reagan's playbook in the defeat of the "Evil Empire" -- namely outspending them? 

Not that Russia today would literally outspend it's former nemesis;  but, because the United States has spread itself so thinly around the world, coupled with its overextension in the Middle East, and it's domestic chaos, a "tweak" here and there might well be envisioned in Russia as the straw that breaks this particular camel's back.
 

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  1. Sat Aug 23, 2008 2:50 pm
    When will humanity wake up to the criminality of these power politics, wasting incredible resources and causing incredible damage ?

    Power politics and wars are not fought between nations, but ruling classes, forcing their victims, on both sides, to kill each other and die for nothing.

    Witness Afghanistan, where Canadian soldiers are dying, one by one, for a corporation's profits to build a lousy pipeline. Sent there by fundamentalist idiots and killed by other fundamentalist idiots, dying for nothing.

    Ed Deak.

  2. Sat Aug 23, 2008 4:50 pm
    "If the conflict in Georgia ushers in a sustained period of renewed animosity between Russia and the West, Washington fears that a newly emboldened but estranged Moscow could use its influence, money, energy resources, United Nations Security Council veto and, yes, its arms industry to undermine American interests around the world." The writer opines.

    http://www.almanar.com.lb/newssite/News ... anguage=en
    http://www.almanar.com.lb/newssite/News ... anguage=en
    http://www.almanar.com.lb/newssite/News ... anguage=en


    Indeed, the process is already well underway, if this series of articles on Al Manar, the Hezbollah website from Lebanon, are any serious indication. (As believable a source as CNN or CBC.) The global US Empire attempt at what Real News elsewhere describes as "Full Spectrum Dominance", a system of total global dominance where only the US is allowed the use of intervention and violence, and is the global arbiter of relations between all nations and is the dispenser of global access to the worlds vital natural resources, is about to be challenged by a resurgent Russia, and in due course, the competing empire ambitions of Capitalist China. Of course the world the US wants and is in the process of attempting to build and enforce is eminently unsuitable to them-, with indications of emerging cracks here and there, increasingly not to Greater Europe ambitions and needs as well.

    In the echoing shades of especially the events that led to WW1, but also WW2 in very many significant ways, competing capitalist power empire ambitions are again emerging to challenge each other for dominance in the world. And when such titans as these like elephant leviathans fall to challenging each other and warring, the earth is destined to shake with their noise and heavy footed thrashing about.

    Canada, ...assuming this site is still predominantly concerned with the articulation of an independent "Canadian Interest", as opposed to the advocacy of the msm serving the US Empire cause... again, Canada needs to withdraw itself from serving any of these imperialist interest sets, and preoccupy itself instead with securing, articulating and jockeying in this risk fraught world for the procurement of its own independent place. We should not content ourselves any longer with serving these global empire leviathans of the US, Russia, China or yet any other yet to emerge "imperial contender", such as may Europe itself, no less. Instead, we should form into and meld our economic and political interest into the new emerging global "non-aligned" interest set, seeking to control these protagonists against the peace all, using and playing one and each off against the other to serve our own truly "independent and self-reliant" national ambition. And for this to come about, above all else, we need to advocate and win the establishment of the "imperialist ambition containing principle" of the non-interference of any state/nation, on any self-serving pretext, in the internal affairs of other state/nations.

    There are no Saints anywhere, certainly not "established" governments known to me, outside our own imaginations, and as we insist for ourselves, as indeed do the Amerikans for sure for themselves, that we should be left to work through, determine and settle our own internal national differences, so to must we grant unto others. It is the only way to the long cherished dream of world peace-, and the securing of a Canada that is finally in full control of its own independent and self-reliant destiny. (And that doesn't mean we can't or should not have an "equal" relationship and interchange on all levels with all other peoples and nations.)

    What we don't need is another "Full Spectrum Dominance" Empire, like the US, a Russia or China running amok over the earth. (But better all three, each working to contain the other, than just one nuclear armed global Imperial Bully as has been for too long with the US already. What should be the indepedent and pragmatic Canadian self-interest view for the moment, I think.)

  3. by RickW
    Sat Aug 23, 2008 6:12 pm
    "Ed Deak" said
    When will humanity wake up to the criminality of these power politics, wasting incredible resources and causing incredible damage?


    I imagine, if history is any judge Ed, that the answer is never. The (temporary) bonanza of energy in the form of oil has allowed the power mongers the illusion that they have a global reach, instead of simply "playing" the schoolyard bullies. But that is drawing to an end, as there is no ready and cheap alternative, and the bully-boys will shrink back to squabbling over the bones of civilization.

    Mahatma Gandhi, when asked what he thought of Western civilization:
    "I think it would be a good idea."

    But it applies in equal force, to all the so-called "Great Powers" in all the countries of the world.

  4. Sat Aug 23, 2008 9:49 pm
    "But it applies in equal force, to all the so-called "Great Powers" in all the countries of the world."

    Hear, hear, Rick W. :-)


  5. Sun Aug 24, 2008 12:45 am
    So called "great powers" have the nasty habit of burning out and self destruct, destroying great civilizations and efficient economic systems on their way up and down.

    It only happened a few hundred times in history, including to just about every European country, once all "great empires", now sardine cans filled with chickenshit, so it may take a few more generations to wake up and tell their "leaders' to go to hell.

    I've only spent 60+ years researching the "common denominator of history's tragedies", so
    what did I find ? Not much, except that the fraudulent, religion and ideology based definitions of "economic efficiency", legalizing theft, robbery and mass murder, have always been the cause. As it is now with the present gang of idiots and crooks. Albeit, now and always, taught in our universities as "science".

    Ed Deak.

  6. Mon Aug 25, 2008 4:46 pm
    To answer Ed`s question, I quote George Carlin. He said," Do you ever notice who it is that gets assassinated? Gandhi, Martin Luther King, Malcolm X, John Lennon, JFK, RFK. You know, people who said, 'Let`s live together in peace. Love one another.' APPARENTLY, WE AREN`T READY FOR THAT YET!"

  7. Mon Aug 25, 2008 6:31 pm
    Half of the population of Tskinvali was ethnically cleansed, after US pupport, Saakashvili, launched an intense artillery barrage that targeted civilian areas. No US official has admitted that the Georgians attacked first. And said attack was launched after midnight when satellite data was unavailable. Further, 3 hours before same, the puppet went on state television to promise "autonomy" to South Ossetia. In spite of video evidence, available testimony of 80,000 victims, satellite data, the puppet maintains a cover story:
    http://www.new.facebook.com/video/video ... 2347223862

    McCain's chief foreign policy observer was a Georgian fiduciary until April. The puppet claims he speaks to McCain "several times a day."
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rj-Qdk2UvoM

    Proof of the Bush sanctioned ethnic cleansing and targeting of civilians:
    http://ossetians.com/eng/news.php?newsi ... 2b044f1b96

    Big Media covers up victim eyewitness accounts of Georgian savagery:
    http://ossetians.com/eng/news.php?newsi ... 2b044f1b96

    See the following statement from a website polluted by Pentagon Game Theorists. Note the use of the term "political cover" in context of the aggression. Bush used war crimes and ethnic cleansing to advance US strategic objectives.
    ------------------------------------
    The Georgian incursion gave the US political cover to make an ABM deal with Poland, get access to Ukranian radar intelligence, and maybe get enhanced facilities inside the Black Sea. Since the Black Sea opens onto the Med, but it doesn?t link to Russian Northern, Pacific or Baltic Fleets NATO has the ability to surge vessels into it in a way that can?t be matched by the Russians. Of course, the Russians could use anti-ship airpower, but that would set off Armaggedon.

    What I?d fear most from the Russian point of view is a request by Georgia to ?demiltarize? ports it legally owns except for one or two under NATO control. Under International Law, the Western ports remain Georgian. Over time, the Georgians can diplomatically ensure that the Russian Army cannot be resupplied by sea. If the Russians send their convoys, the ports can be mined before their arrival by air with Georgian permission. This means the Georgians, via NATO can have command of the sea while the Russian Army must supply itself overland. That?s fine for now, with the weather good. But in the winter, things will be different, especially if they face a Georgian insurgency. And if the roads are closed or mined by Georgian guerillas, then logistically supplying the Russian occupation Army becomes harder yet.

    So I don?t see a confrontation with Russia, rather a slow strangulation of its forces should they decide to stay. If they pull back into Russia, or even into Abkhazia or South Ossetia, I don?t see that NATO forces will do anything to discomfit them. As I said, Putin should cash in now, while the gettin?s good.
    ---------------------------------------------
    So who trained Georgian troops in conducting an artillery barrage? US advisors conducted such an exercise in mid July. US advisors were under obligation to monitor Georgian use of American artillery systems. Ergo: American advisors were co-perpetrators in the Aug. 7 genocide and ethnic cleansing.
    http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum ... 584245/pg1

    Punchline:
    As in the eighties, Europeans turned against Reagan's "Star Wars" scheme. Similarly, with the ABM plan in place, one by one, European belligerents - starting with Poland - will be turfed out of political office. Afghanistan flopped. Iraq flopped. Americas (central and south) flopped. Wait and see yet another American flop. Meanwhile, Bush's over stimulation of the economy to fake prosperity has bankrupted the home finance industry. A huge bailout is planned.

  8. Tue Aug 26, 2008 4:00 pm
    We'll never live together in peace until our braindead economists, just another priesthood, come to grips with the fact that "wealth can not be created, only taken".

    This is what the incredible stupidity and tragedies of human history are about.

    Ed Deak.

  9. Sat Aug 30, 2008 2:45 pm
    "We'll never live together in peace until our braindead economists, just another priesthood, come to grips with the fact that 'wealth can not be created, only taken'".

    Ed, Ed, Ed

    Why then did the USSR (not the mention the rest of the Eastern Bloc), despite having an abundance of both natural and human resources, have such a crappy economy and low standard of living compared to Western Europe and North America?

    It's *not* just what you have in the ground or who you have to extract it that makes a country wealthy. It's what you *do* with them both. Centralized command-driven economies do not generate wealth the way demand-driven private enterprise economies do. The "priests" have this one right, Ed.

  10. Sat Aug 30, 2008 2:45 pm
    Ed, Ed, Ed

    Why then did the USSR (not the mention the rest of the Eastern Bloc), despite having an abundance of both natural and human resources, have such a crappy economy and low standard of living compared to Western Europe and North America?

    It's not just what you have in the ground or who you have to extract it that makes a country wealthy. It's what you do with them both. Centralized command-driven economies do not generate wealth the way demand-driven private enterprise economies do. The "priests" have this one right, Ed.

  11. by Mstf
    Sun Aug 31, 2008 8:02 pm

  12. by Mstf
    Sun Aug 31, 2008 8:03 pm



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