Canada Needs A Liberal-NDP-Green Coalition

This is just a right wing Liberal party scam to get rid of the NDP and leave Canadians with only two right wing, US puppet parties to choose from, the right wing Liberal party or the further right wing Conservatives. Left leaning Canadians are not that gullible. Liberals are anything but left wing. The support of both parties for Nafta, SPP and NAU clearly demonstrate that.This is just a scam to deny Canadian voters any real left wing alternative, and make us a carbon copy of the US, politically.
An alliance between the NDP and the Green party would make more sense.
Brent

I agree that the fibs and cons are both right wing parties. Unfortunately, I`m not convinced thet today`s NDP is left wing, either! Jack Layton is just playing the role. He never mentions scrapping NAFTA. And public health care in the last campaign was non-existent in his platform.

I agree with you Mr. Ruston...we have contacted Jack Layton and many members of the NDP many times about the very serious and horrific injustice being done to my sons and I relating to our major dental malpractice case and the important evidence we have proving the serious corruption involved in obstructing us from getting justice and further seriously harassing my sons and I, including sending Mr. Layton the evidence supporting that the corporation known as CGI, who have very extensive government contracts with all levels of government across Canada and a very significant relationship with the federal and provincial governments, especially the Alberta government, while representing the financial interests of Canadian insurance companies, including the insurance company involved in our case,have unlawfully used their government contracts to fraudulently falsify my health records, which is easily proven by the clear evidence, to attempt to obstruct justice in our case on behalf of their insurance company client ING, and have further harassed and threatened my sons and I using their government contract positions, including their contract and significant relationship with Alberta Children Services to subject my sons and I to a fraudulent child protection investigation which focused on threatening me not to file our lawsuit but which they had to close when we informed them we had audio taped their harrassment and threats, all of which we have the evidence to prove. We thought for sure Mr. Layton and the NDP party would be interested in the very significant evidence we have that I have only mentioned the tip of the ice berg of here and would help us to go public to expose it, especially when this would significantly help them earn the trust of Canadians to expose this corruption that the evidence proves is very seriously violating the rights of Canadians, yet Mr. Layton and his staff and many other members of the NDP party didn't even bother to respond despite the clear evidence we provided to them, or to investigate the further evidence we clearly reported that we have proving the very serious corruption we reported, which has left us no choice but to believe that Jack Layton is not what he presents himself to be but rather is part of the problem.

Both of these views are correct, of course. And it is the great tragedy of what is about to happen to Canadian electorate attempts to maintain a minority governance system as, in the current political situation, the least harmful outcome to themselves. That Layton has even been being coy about this issue when asked directly about it, is the definitive indicator, I think, that this is precisely what is in the cards and likely being negotiated in the backroom as we speak.

Mind you, that said, politics is not a static thing, and it is inevitable that sooner or later this stalemate minority situation is going to break down. All the parties to the current parliamentary FPTP system really want to be part of a "majority" governance arrangement. The Conservatives are in fact an alliance of the right of centre, and will as this Liberal/NDP Alliance scenario goes forward, syphon off its share of the crumbling Liberal Party itself, make no mistake. It is even possible they will get the larger share.

As for the NDP, I agree with Scout and Ruston, and likely Swain as well, they have in fact been a Liberal rump faction for a long time now.

Which in my view is actually all okay. It's been coming on for awhile, at least since the laying down of the Alliance of the Right, and is likely inevitable, this Alliance of, what is actually, The Centre. It is also part of the development that has to occur to lay down the prerequisite for the next level of development, as Canadians further wake up to what this Centre Alliance actually represents and the economic crisis deepens, changing everything for at least a very long time.

This "next stage" development being, of course, the need for a re-emergence of the actual "Left" in Canadian politics, without which there will be no real and powerful draw away from Capitalism altogether, and into the next stage developments of economic and political democracy in the country. (And without getting into it right now, in my view, that "actual Left" has to include a street level, Direct Action component, radicalizing and "exciting" politics in the country.)

So, in my view, while we should see the creation of this Centre Alliance for what it is, a return attemp0t to the traditional two party system and an attempt to shore up capitalism and its FPTP "parliamentary system", we also need to face the fact that it is highly likely an unchangeable dynamic in the current political and economic situation, and a necessary prelude, likewise in all likelihood, to ending the myth of the NDP as part of "the left" and the creation of a place in the new political spectrum for "an actual Left".

Keeping in mind of course, that time moves, pretty much, at its own objective pace.

Given the new economic and political realities, things are inevitably going to change. And this doesn't mean nor rule out the possibility that, out there somewhere, there cannot nor will not be an actual Alliance of the Centre and a new, Actual Left. The Centre is inherently opportunistic, and will move to follow the line of least resistance and in the direction of the greater pressure. Right now, that is Right.

Which should tell us what?

Canadians won't vote an "actual Left" party into power. Canadians don't want their country run by the likes of Svend Robinson or Judy Rebick, no matter how hard the CBC and the left-wing academic elites try to make this happen. That's why Pierre Trudeau, whose personal politics were far to the left of his government's actual policies, had to settle for incremental measures to push Canadians leftward. He had to rely on minority governments propped up the NDP to give cover to the pursuit of *his* hidden agenda.

More people voted for Reform under Manning than for the NDP. An "actual left" party in Canada would become nothing but a fringe movement, which will splinter even further under the usual left-wing wars over doctrine. After all, even the communists in Canada can't settle on a single party.

Canadians do seem to have a socialistic streak in them, but they won't accept full-blown socialism. They won't accept full-blown capitalism either, of course, but that's another discussion.

Well, outside of the fact we have some differences of opinion over what is actually "left"... and I sure as hell won't leave it to no wingnut to define what that is or is not, one should generally, for objectivities sake, never say never, applied to political predictions. It simply tends to write one off as a true-believer rather than a rational thinking person. Never is a very long time, and there's no friggin' way a wingnut such as yourself, so-called individualist, have the prescience to see that far.

Much here around your "belief system", as opposed to "rational analysis", hangs on how the current global economic and political crises of capitalism evolve here. And that you can't rationally predict any better than I can with a 100% degree of accuracy. Nothing like good old bread, butter, war and standard of living security issues to change how people think and will come to see things-, sometimes in the blink of an eye.

That all said, I'll let my quote to which you refer stand on its own merit, for the present and future to judge, rather than for some ad hoc "belief contention" from the supporter of a rapidly failing socio-economic system.

What this country needs, if for no other reason than to bring your folks under some serious degree of control, by firing up working class folks against you, is the re-emergence of a serious and determined Left, built up and allied around a programme of "transforming" capitalist society, by democratizing ownership and the management of the economy. That done, and with the ideas of proportional representation already out there and, mayhaps even a non-party system of democracy that creates room for the entry of the working class in its broad diversity into the political system, based upon that changed power base of the new democracy model in the ownership and management of the economy, the old and rigid notions of what constitutes "socialism or collective ownership" may just fly out the window, and be seen in a quite different light by "the masses", even be it unimaginable to yourself.

You wingnuts with your harebrained "economic notions" of wealth creation and such, have created a major crisis in your own capitalist reality, that may be just about to change all previous reality here-, at least as had existed since the last Great Depression. As it settles in upon people, working class folks anyway, they ain't gonna be happy.

Enter that "serious left" of which you are so loathe, and which could not have been but for yourselves and your serious fuck-ups.

Wouldn't it be great if the "individualists" et al, would actually define what they mean by "right" and "left"?
But of course they will not, because that would be what is called "commitment".

We must all remember that a very 'leftward' Tommy Douglas not only changed Saskatchewan, but influenced all of Canada. And remember, too, that the liberal party of old under MacKenzie King, St.Laurent, Pearson, and Trudeau was much more to the 'left' than today`s fiberals. Even the Diefenbaker conservatives had a 'leftist' streak in them. But unfortunately, today`s politicians, regardless of party, are more so puppets than ever. I think the change occurred during the Trudeau years, when Trudeau started talking of a 'just society.' The Banker corporate fascists said, "Oh, no. This won`t do." And they did all they could to undermine Trudeau and future 'leftists.' What do you think the FLQ was all about? And look at the problem in 95 with the 2nd referendum. The fascists were worried about Chretien coming from Trudeau`s club. So once again, a crisis was manufactured. Funny how political parties typically take forever to establish themselves, yet the PQ, the Bloc, and the ADQ rose like a rocket in such a short time. And of course, we all remember Bob Rae, the former NDP premier of Ontario now running for the federal liberals. His job was to destroy any NDP credibility in Ontario, which of course would set the tone across Canada. Not to mention, the media plays a crucial role in influencing how people vote! Not only do the media and governments censor crucial news and deny public input in certain areas, like NAFTA, but they also give off suggestion which definitely influences those who don`t dig deep enough into the politics. If they`re told that Harper is responsible fiscally, because he doesn`t like to run deficits, they tend to believe it, without of course, seeing the whole picture. If they`re told before almost every election to ` remember the NDP record in Ontario` then of course this tends to stick in the minds of most voters.

I don't believe that it will be possible to bring these parties together. Heck we couldn't even bring the NDP and the Canadian Action Party together. Ego's are far to large for this to happen.

I would suggest that this is the time to start a new party that would bring together people who believed in Moderate Free Enterprise, Democrarcy and moderate socialism. A party that would address the issues of the 21st century.

This is the time to start.

Quite possible -- or perhaps even earlier. The Liberal Party has entertained the idea of continentalism from the earliest times, which manifested itself early on in Wilfred Laurier's election loss over reciprocity.

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.h ... A96E948260


Pierre Trudeau hinted at being in favour of a continental approach -- one however that did not subsume Canada entirely to US interests.

But since that time, what with the same business interests supporting both the Liberals and Conservatives, elections in Canada became a sham, as Canadian trade became more exclusively oriented to the US, regardless of the party in power. Cretien may have "growled" a lot, but it just made for a good show, and as long as the Liberals form the main opposition today, it matters little if the Conservatives are in power. The agenda will carry forward.

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