An Open Letter To My Fellow Canadians Concerning The Parliamentary Crisis

Posted on Friday, January 09 at 12:38 by JaredMilne

 

 

An open letter to my fellow Canadians:

 

Une lettre ouverte à mes confrères canadiens :

 

This letter is not meant to criticize or condemn any single political party or political movement.  It is meant to urge Canadians to think about the opposing point of view in the current parliamentary crisis, to build understanding by summarizing the arguments both in favour of and against the coalition government.  At the present time, we as Canadians have been set against one another, when we must come together from all regions, all languages and all races to resolve the terrible problems that confront us.  I am equally dismayed and disappointed by all our current federal political leaders and the missteps they have all made, which have all deepened a crisis and harmed our national unity, putting their personal pride and petty goals before the national interest. 

 

Cette lettre n’a pas comme intention de critiquer ou de condamner un seul parti ou mouvement politique.  Son propos est d’inspirer une réflexion chez les Canadiens au sujet de l’autre point de vue concernant la crise parlementaire à Ottawa, et de renforcer la compréhension en notant les arguments en faveur d’un gouvernement de coalition, et les arguments contre ce dernier.  À ce moment, comme Canadiens nous sommes divisés contre l’un l’autre, quand nous devons venir ensemble, de toutes les régions, toutes les langues, et toutes les races pour résoudre les problèmes terribles qui nous affrontent.  Je suis également déçu et consterné par tous nos chefs politiques fédéraux courantes et les fautes qu’ils ont tous commis, qui ont tous aggravé une crise et endommagé notre unité nationale, en mettant leur fierté personnelle et leurs buts mesquins devant l’intérêt national. 

 

Consider first what provoked this political crisis-Stephen Harper’s proposal to end public subsidies to political parties based on their electoral performance in his recent economic update.  How can Harper justify an action that the opposition parties were sure to oppose, when the election results made it quite clear that Canadians wanted the parties to all cooperate with one another?  Was he simply short-sighted, or deliberately trying to goad his opponents?  Either response is extremely irresponsible, particularly when the $30 million that would be “saved” from such a move is a tiny fraction of the overall federal budget.  Also, in comparing the actual vote counts for the 2006 and 2008 federal elections, Harper actually lost 168,737 fewer votes-hardly a ringing endorsement and a clear signal that Canadians wanted all the parties to cooperate, not play partisan games with one another. 

 

Premièrement, considérez qu’est-ce qui a déclenché cette crise politique, le propos de Stephen Harper d’abolir les subventions publiques aux partis politiques basées sur leurs performances électorales, dans son compte rendu économique récent.  Comment est-ce que Harper peut justifier une action que les partis d’opposition étaient certains à opposer, quand les résultats électoraux ont rendu très claires les désirs des Canadiens que les partis politiques coopèrent ensemble?  Était-il simplement myope, ou essayaient-il volontairement de provoquer ses adversaires?  Quoi que ça soit, il était très irresponsable, particulièrement quand on rappelle que le 30 million $ qui serait « économisé » par cette action est en fait seulement une partie très minuscule du budget fédéral en somme.  En plus, en comparant les taux de vote pour les élections de 2006 et 2008, Harper a en fait perdu 168,737 votes, ce qui n’est pas un endos particulièrement impressionnant, et une indication claire que les Canadiens voulaient que tous les partis politiques coopèrent ensemble, plutôt que de jouer des jeux partisans. 

 

The move is also suspicious by itself.  If Harper is opposed to taxpayer subsidies for political parties, then why did he seek to abolish only one type of subsidy, which just happens to be the one his opposition is most reliant on?  Why doesn’t Harper eliminate the reimbursement of electoral expenses, the tax subsidies given for political donations, or other forms of subsidy that all, in one way or another, come out of taxpayers’ pockets?  It should be remembered, after all, that we have had public subsidies in one form or another in Canada since 1974, and that Harper’s fellow conservative John McCain had no problem accepting such subsidies in the American presidential election, subsidies that were essential to ensure a fair shake on both sides of the contest. 

 

Par elle-même, l’action est aussi soupçonneuse.  Si Harper s’oppose aux subventions publiques pour les partis politiques, pourquoi est-ce qu’il cherche à abolir seulement une type de subvention, ironiquement la subvention sur laquelle son opposition est la plus dépendante dessus?  Pourquoi est-ce que Harper n’élimine pas le remboursement pour les dépenses électorales, les subventions financières données de ceux qui font des dons financières aux partis politiques, ou d’autres subventions qui viennent tous de nos impôts?  On doit rappeler, notamment, que John McCain, le confrère idéologique de Harper, était prêt à accepter des subventions publiques durant l’élection présidentielle américaine, des subventions qui étaient essentiels pour assurer une élection juste aux deux combattants dans l’élection. 

 

Some may argue that they do not want to see their tax dollars going to support political parties they oppose, but this argument cuts both ways.  Many progressives do not like seeing their tax dollars going to support such things as the war in Afghanistan, our military buildup, tax incentives for corporations, the prison system, and other causes that right-wing conservatives are more inclined to support, and yet their tax money goes to support these institutions and causes anyway.  Similarly, many single mothers, working poor, and others who would be more inclined to support the NDP’s left-wing policies, cannot afford to make the same kinds of regular donations that wealthier businesspeople, who might benefit more from the Conservatives’ pro-business policies, can make to their parties of choice. 

 

Certaines personnes pourraient répondre qu’ils ne veulent pas voir leurs impôts allant à appuyer des partis politiques qu’ils opposent, mais cet argument peut être retourné.  Il y a bien des progressifs qui n’aiment pas voir leur impôts allant à subventionner la guerre en Afghanistan, notre développement militaire, les encouragements fiscaux pour les compagnies, le régime des prisons, et bien d’autres causes appuyés par les partisans de l’aile droite, mais leur argent supportent ces causes et institutions tout de même.  En même temps, les familles monoparentales, les pauvres ouvrières, et d’autres personnes qui seraient plus enclins à appuyer les politiques gauchistes de l’NPD, n’ont pas les mêmes moyens à faire des dons politiques réguliers que les gens d’affaires plus riches, qui pourraient profiter plus des politiques affairistes des Conservateurs, peuvent faire à leurs propres partis. 

 

Finally, it should be remembered that in 2004, after the exposure of Adscam, Stephen Harper wrote a letter to the Governor General, co-signed by Jack Layton and Gilles Duceppe, advising the Governor General of her “constitutional options” and informing her of the consultations being made by the opposition parties.  Harper was, in effect, proposing the exact same thing with the Bloc and the NDP that the Liberals are proposing now.  Would Conservative supporters be as angry about a coalition government if their party had been the one to head it? 

 

Enfin, on doit rappeler qu’en 2004, après que la scandale des commandites à été exposée, Stephen Harper a écrit une lettre au Gouverneure générale, signée par lui, Jack Layton et Gilles Duceppe, conseillant la Gouverneur générale de ses « options constitutionnelles » et l’informant des consultations fait par les partis de l’opposition.  En effet, Harper proposait précisément la même chose avec le Bloc et le NPD que les Libéraux proposent maintenant.  Est-ce que les partisans conservateurs seraient aussi fâchés au sujet d’un gouvernement de coalition si leur parti seraient à sa tête? 

 

Some may see these arguments as sufficient reason for a coalition government.  However, the coalition government as proposed by the Liberals under Stéphane Dion brings very serious problems of its own, not the least of which are the national unity ramifications.  How can Dion, whose criticisms of the sovereignist movement were what brought him into federal politics, justify working with the Bloc Québécois now?  It creates an extremely negative perception in the rest of the country, particularly among those who may not realize that not all Bloc supporters are sovereignists.  Any coalition with a political party whose stated goal is the separation of one of Canada’s provinces will provoke a negative reaction in the rest of the country by itself…and who is to say what demands the Bloc will make in exchange for its support?  Don’t forget, too, that Dion claimed during the election he would never form a coalition, and that Layton attacked him for not knowing how to handle the economy.  

 

Certaines personnes pourraient voir ces arguments comme raison suffisante pour un gouvernement de coalition.  Toutefois, le gouvernement de coalition comme proposé par les Libéraux sous Stéphane Dion apporteraient ses propres problèmes très sérieuses, particulièrement parmi ceux qui ne réalisent pas que pas tous ceux qui appuient le Bloc sont souverainistes.  Une coalition avec un parti politique qui a comme but la sécession d’une des provinces canadiennes va par elle-même provoquer une réaction négative au reste du pays…et qui sait quelles demandes le Bloc va faire en échange pour son appui?  N’oubliez pas aussi que durant l’élection fédérale Dion prétendait qu’il ne formerait jamais une coalition, et que Layton l’a attaqué pour ne pas savoir comment gérer l’économie. 

 

Arguably even worse for Canadian unity is the backlash this has already provoked in Western Canada.  While not everyone in Alberta or the West in general supports Harper, the Conservative party has its strongest base of support in this part of the country, and is seen by many as the West finally having a strong voice in government after years of alienation.  The coalition is seen by these Westerners as an illegitimate way of taking power away from the rightfully elected government, and as a slap in the face to their part of the country.  While it was never intended this way, Albertans in particular would see this as an attempt to shut them out of the democratic process after overwhelmingly supporting the current prime minister.  All this has done is refuel Western alienation and provoke a backlash against other parts of the country, and against the federal Liberal and NDP parties in general. 

 

Peut-être encore pire pour l’unité canadienne est la réaction très négative déjà provoquée dans l’Ouest canadien.  Bien que pas tout le monde dans l’Alberta ou l’Ouest en général appuie Harper, le Parti conservateur reçoit son appui le plus fort de ces régions du pays, et son élection est vu par beaucoup dans l’Ouest comme leur région gagnant enfin une voix forte dans le gouvernement, après des années d’aliénation.  La coalition est vue par ces habitants de l’Ouest comme une manière illégitime d’enlever le pouvoir du gouvernement élu légitimement, et un gifle dans le visage à leur région du pays.  Bien que ce n’était jamais l’intention, les Albertains en particulier voient la coalition comme un effort de les éliminer du processus démocratique après avoir fortement appuyé le premier ministre courant.  C’est alors que la coalition a seulement renforcé l’aliénation de l’Ouest et provoqué une réaction négative envers les autres régions du pays, et particulièrement contre les Libéraux fédéraux et le NPD fédéral en particulier.

 

The question has been raised too about the constitutional workings of government, and it’s been argued that the coalition is in fact perfectly legal and in keeping with parliamentary tradition.  Indeed it is, but another part of our parliamentary tradition is the idea of constitutional convention-that set of unwritten rules and expectations that dictate how political actors use their powers in practice.  It is why the federal government no longer uses its powers to reserve or disallow provincial legislation, why the federal government can set national standards for social policy with legislation such as the Canada Health Act, and why the Trudeau government was forced to negotiate with the provinces in the constitutional patriation of the early 1980s. 

 

La question du fonctionnement constitutionnel parlementaire à été levé, et certains ont prétendu que la coalition est en fait parfaitement légal et légitime dans la tradition parlementaire.  Tel est le cas, mais un autre aspect de notre tradition parlementaire est l’idée des conventions constitutionnelles, ces règles et attentes qui dictent comment les acteurs politiques utilisent leurs pouvoirs en pratique.  C’est pourquoi le gouvernement fédéral n’utilise plus ses pouvoirs pour abolir les lois provinciales, pourquoi le gouvernement fédéral peut établir des standards nationaux pour la politique sociale comme la Loi sur la santé canadienne, et pourquoi le gouvernement Trudeau devait négocier avec les provinces dans le rapatriement constitutionnel des années 1980. 

 

It appears to me that the modern convention that has arisen is, that if a government loses the confidence of the House, an election must be called immediately.  This is what happened after the Paul Martin minority collapsed in 2005, when Harper felt that he could win the resulting election.  Now, it seems, whichever party receives the most seats in the House of Commons is automatically declared the winner, and called on to form a government.  It is true that more than 62% of the population voted against Harper, but all of the other party leaders received even less support than he did.  Going to a coalition was quite unnecessary, given that the opposition forced Harper to back off on the funding issue.  What the opposition parties should be doing is working with the Conservative government, the way the people wanted them to!  Both sides should remember that, in order to avoid the collapse of the Harper government and avoid an election that Canadians absolutely do not want, they must cooperate and compromise, which what they were elected to do in the first place. 

 

Il me semble qu’une convention moderne s’est développée, qui exige que si un gouvernement perd la confiance de la Chambre de communes, il faut appeler une élection immédiatement.  Voilà ce qui est arrivé en 2005 quand le gouvernement minoritaire de Paul Martin s’est écroulé, quand Harper pensait qu’il pouvait gagner l’élection qui suivait.  Il est vrai que plus de 62% de la population a voté contre Harper, mais tous les autres partis politiques ont reçu encore moins d’appui.  La formation d’une coalition n’était pas nécessaire, étant donné que l’opposition a forcé Harper à reculer sur le financement des partis politiques.  Ce que les partis de l’opposition devraient faire est de coopérer avec le gouvernement conservateur, de la manière dont le peuple les avaient voulus!  Les deux côtés devraient rappeler que, afin d’éviter l’écroulement du gouvernement Harper et une élection que les Canadiens ne désirent aucunement, ils doivent coopérer et compromettre, ce qu’ils ont été élu à faire dès le début. 

 

With no party receiving a clear mandate of support from the voters, and with nearly 40% of the population staying home on election day, to me it seems clear what Canadians want, for their politicians to not play partisan games and cooperate with one another in dealing with our economic, environmental, and social issues.  Harper does not have all the answers in dealing with the economy, nor do Ignatieff, Layton, Duceppe or May.  Their infighting does nothing to rebuild the trust and unity we need to get through this crisis. 

 

Étant donné qu’aucun des partis a reçu un mandat clair des électeurs, et avec presque 40 % de ces derniers restant chez eux la journée de l’élection, il me semble clair que les Canadiens désirent leurs politiciens à coopérer ensemble en adressant nos problèmes économiques, sociaux et environnementaux, plutôt que de jouer des jeux partisans.  Harper n’a pas toutes les réponses à ces difficultés, et non plus Ignatieff, Layton, Duceppe ou May.  Leurs combats politiques ne font rien à rétablir la confiance et l’unité que nous avons besoin pour dépasser cette crise. 

 

This applies more broadly to supporters and opponents of the coalition as well.  Our insults and fighting is only making the problem worse-both sides of the argument have equally strong and legitimate reasons for their stances, and condemning one another is only reopening old wounds and grudges that we can’t afford to waste our energy on right now. 

 

Ceci s’applique plus généralement aux partisans et aux adversaires de la coalition en même temps.  Nos insultes et nos combats aggravent le problème.  Les deux côtés de l’argument ont des points également légitimes pour leurs positions, et en condamnant l’un l’autre, nous rouvrons des anciennes blessures et des rivalités sur lesquels on ne peut pas gaspiller notre énergie pour l’instant. 

 

That is why, above all else, it is critically important for both supporters and opponents of the coalition to set aside their differences and cooperate.  This crisis is larger than any single group or party, and the needs of the country must come before individual partisan desires.  Try and see the other side’s point of view, and above all, please try and ease off the rhetoric on both sides-it’s not getting us anywhere. 

 

C’est pourquoi, avant tout, il est absolument essentiel pour les partisans et les adversaires de la coalition de mettre leurs différences de côté, et de coopérer ensemble.  Cette crise est plus grande que n’importe quelle seule groupe ou parti, et les besoins du pays doivent prendre priorité sur les désirs partisans individuels.  Essayez de voir l’autre point de vue, et avant tous, s’il vous plait essayez de reculer la rhétorique des deux côtés, qui ne font rien pour nous aider. 

 

Canada deserves no less. 

 

Le Canada n’en mérite pas moins.

 

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  1. Sat Jan 10, 2009 8:00 am
    I have thought about and considered all the points you have made long before I read them here and may I say you have covered them pretty well from the political sense.

    I love this country deeply and the freedom my family and others of this nation have fought for in its defence and that of others for generations.

    What we have seen recently is Canada's political system at its best. Political Parties fighting and willing to risking all for their beliefs. Is this not what we elected them for? Does this not serve Canadians well?

    What we ended with from all of this is a Prime Minister and apparently most Canadians complaining and showing that they do not understand what a Parliamentary Democracy is, how our Government system and the Canadian Constitution works.

    We elect Politicians to represent us, our feelings, interests, wants and desires instead of each and every one of us having to represent ourselves personally.

    At the end of the day all I realized is that Canadians don't see their country's future worth anymore money or effort then what has been spent in the previous election but by calling another election which would require them and their fellow Canadians to have to give up another few hours in another dull evening out of their busy lives to vote and that is those of the few that do really vote in this country! What an inconvenience to the average Canadian who is loyal, loves and feels proud to live in this Country?

    I take my children to attend Remembrance Day services every year. I never work on that day. Strange, how few people showed up to remember prior to 911. Usually my family and I would be along with others numbering maybe 6 or 8, my family making 5. One would think if a country truly cares about one?s people?s sacrifice in war that the country could make it a national holiday of remembrance.

    In the end I feel that most Canadians are self serving and self interested like sheep in a field. I don?t see this changing until Canadians start to loose what they have! Words are great but actions bring reality and true meaning.

  2. Sat Jan 10, 2009 5:23 pm
    I am impressed by the high quality and heart-felt sincerity of both JaredMilne's and jensoni's comments . As an Anglo Quebecer , I'd just like to seize on jensoni's last paragraph and turn to the "Qu?b?cois pure laine" : vous avez repris toute la dignit? dont vous avez ?t? autrefois priv?s , vous ?tes maintenant ma?tres chez vous dans votre province ; votre renouveau a contribu? ? la constitution d'un pays pacifique , ?quilibr? , qui ose s'affirmer sur la sc?ne internationale et qui survit plut?t bien aux in?vitables politicailleries de la d?mocratie parlementaire ; alors , comme l'exprime tr?s bien jensoni ci-dessus , r?fl?chissons bien ? ne pas perdre ce que nous avons r?ussi ? construire ensemble au fil des ann?es .

  3. Sat Jan 10, 2009 8:26 pm
    Thank you both for your kind words. My own personal point of view is that all the party leaders are equally responsible for this current fiasco, first by Harper playing foolish partisan games and trying to gut his opponents when Canadians had already made their desire for interparty cooperation clear by giving him only a strengthened minority after breaking his own fixed election date laws to strengthen his grip on power by obtaining a majority, and then by Dion, Layton and Duceppe attempting to form a government after having been rejected by the Canadian people.

    I am certainly not a fan of Harper (and as an Albertan I hope that my fellow Canadians will realize we are not all like Harper, Tom Flanagan or Craig Chandler), but he won the election fair and square and he has to be in the driver's seat for now. That said, I am as disgusted by his behaviour as anyone, and my intent in writing this is to try and get both sides of the debate to see each other's points of view, and hopefully smooth over the national unity tensions that might arise from this.

    Competition and debate between political parties is only normal, but these are not normal times. The current economic crisis requires that we come together, and put our partisan interests to the side until we get through this. We can't afford to waste our energies fighting each other at a time like this-Barack Obama is actively trying to work with his opponents to deal with the U.S.'s political problems, and John McCain-in a very classy and gracious move-spoke of the need for cooperation in his concession speech.

    This is one of those times where we could learn a thing or two from the Americans.

  4. by RickW
    Sun Jan 11, 2009 2:58 am
    This is one of those times where we could learn a thing or two from the Americans.

    I think we have yet to see any results from a change of government..............

  5. by Rural
    Sun Jan 11, 2009 5:40 pm
    A thorough and thoughtful synopsis of the situation and one with which I largely agree with. Excepting for this:- If we are to automatically negate the possibility of the opposition of forming a coalition upon defeat of a government motion of confidence and thus immediately go to a general election irregardless of the circumstances then, as we have seen, the government can misuse the notion of matters of confidence.
    Depending upon you point of view one may see the failure of the opposition to vote such motions, containing poison pills so rife in the house last year, down as restraint and cooperation or political expediency or running scared. Either way in the current circumstances to go back to the people after just 13 days sitting is clearly unacceptable and failing cooperation, of which we have seen very little until very recently from this government, what other choice does the opposition have. Their job as our representatives is to keep the government of the day in check, to cooperate on good legislation and to oppose bad legislation. If they are to do their job the OPTION of coalition government must be there as an alternative to elections every 3 months! If event the THREAT of such makes the government be more reasonable and less partisan in their proposals then democracy may yet live.
    Given our political landscape at this time we are probably going to see minority governments for some time, and quite possibly some coalition governments. They are not necessarily a bad thing, given time our politicians may learn that they must cooperate and be less partisan to get thing done. Would that they were not such slow learners, can they spell dysfunctional I wonder?

  6. Sun Jan 11, 2009 6:23 pm
    "Rural" said

    Given our political landscape at this time we are probably going to see minority governments for some time, and quite possibly some coalition governments. They are not necessarily a bad thing, given time our politicians may learn that they must cooperate and be less partisan to get thing done. Would that they were not such slow learners, can they spell dysfunctional I wonder?


    And we can thank the 40% of Canadians who fail to vote for that.

  7. by RickW
    Sun Jan 11, 2009 11:38 pm
    "Dr Caleb" said
    And we can thank the 40% of Canadians who fail to vote for that.

    I am of the opinion that our political parties shoud carry a significant share of the blame for increasingly smaller turnouts. Therefore (in this instance) 40% of the seats in Parliament should stand empty, so that we who DID vote don't have to carry the slackards because they didn't do their job of encouraging Canucks to vote (by their actions, not their words -- heaven knows they have enough of the latter!)

  8. Mon Jan 12, 2009 12:51 am
    "Rural" said
    A thorough and thoughtful synopsis of the situation and one with which I largely agree with. Excepting for this:- If we are to automatically negate the possibility of the opposition of forming a coalition upon defeat of a government motion of confidence and thus immediately go to a general election irregardless of the circumstances then, as we have seen, the government can misuse the notion of matters of confidence.
    Depending upon you point of view one may see the failure of the opposition to vote such motions, containing poison pills so rife in the house last year, down as restraint and cooperation or political expediency or running scared. Either way in the current circumstances to go back to the people after just 13 days sitting is clearly unacceptable and failing cooperation, of which we have seen very little until very recently from this government, what other choice does the opposition have. Their job as our representatives is to keep the government of the day in check, to cooperate on good legislation and to oppose bad legislation. If they are to do their job the OPTION of coalition government must be there as an alternative to elections every 3 months! If event the THREAT of such makes the government be more reasonable and less partisan in their proposals then democracy may yet live.
    Given our political landscape at this time we are probably going to see minority governments for some time, and quite possibly some coalition governments. They are not necessarily a bad thing, given time our politicians may learn that they must cooperate and be less partisan to get thing done. Would that they were not such slow learners, can they spell dysfunctional I wonder?


    This is a critically important point, and one I wish I had addressed now-Harper constantly stating parliamentary votes as matters of confidence leaves the opposition parties in a Catch-22 that puts them in an awkward position: either they oppose the government and bring it down, in which case Harper can accuse them of brinksmanship and forcing Canadians into an election they don't want, or abstain from the votes as Dion did and get hammered that way by not doing his job as leader.

    That said, I think the tables are turned, at least somewhat. If Ignatieff backs off on the coalition talk, he can quite rightly point to the fact that he listened to the Canadian people and is ready to work with Mr. Harper to take us through the economic storm, and if Harper keeps abusing the confidence motions the way he has, Ignatieff could also point out the fact that he's deliberately trying to goad the opposition parties when Canadians made their desires for cooperation clear. At the same time, by projecting an image of wanting to cooperate with the government, Ignatieff can genuinely help Canada pull through, and the Liberals can take part of the credit, particularly if Harper continues to be obstinate and partisan, which Iggy could then hammer him for in the next election.

    On the other hand, I don't think Harper will be trying to provoke the opposition the way he did back at the end of November. If he pushes too hard and we go back to the polls, he'll have left himself wide open to accusations that he didn't accept the verdict of Canadians, and was more interested in playing partisan games while the economy went down the tubes, which the opposition can then profit from. And again, if the current town hall meetings Ignatieff and Flaherty are carrying out offer some good ideas, the parties can add them to their platforms and we can all win, no matter who wins the next election.

    Right now, what I'm hoping for is compromise, balance, give and take between the leaders, that sort of thing. Partisan competition is a normal part of the democratic process, but these are not normal times. The fact that Harper could only gain a strengthened minority in face of Dion's weakness, and that 40% of Canadians stayed home on election day, suggests to me that Canadians are fed up with the partisan games for now and just want our MPs to get on with dealing with the economy.

    My intent in writing this article was to try and get partisans on both sides to cool down and try and see both sides of the story. Hopefully, with a better understanding of where the other side is coming from, we could decrease the animosity and head off any national unity issues that might arise from this.

  9. by RickW
    Mon Jan 12, 2009 1:08 am
    Then there is something like this:
    Obama Can Pump Trillions in the Economy, But No One Knows If It Will Work
    http://www.alternet.org/democracy/118784/
    Some questions to ponder: What has to happen for us to say that the stimulus worked? Would it be a success if half the people who have lost their jobs secure some kind of employment? Would the benchmark be that one-quarter or one-third or half of the trillions in lost retirement savings were rescued? Would keeping in place two-thirds of those in danger of losing their homes be enough for us to say the stimulus has worked? Or should the standard be the Dow Jones Industrial Average clawing its way back to 10,000?
    Except in the vaguest terms, no criterion has been laid down for what the stimulus is supposed to accomplish. Perhaps none can be.


    Ignatief and Harper may well cooperate (and I suspect they will), but will whatever they cooperate at simply be some sort of bandaid -- or doublespeak? Or will it be someting substantial (which, translated means something the citizen on the street can grab and run with, and not some esoteric "the basics of the economy are sound" BS)?

  10. by Rural
    Tue Jan 13, 2009 3:01 pm

  11. Tue Jan 13, 2009 5:56 pm
    Congratulations , Rural ! It's a darn good site you have there and a real refreshing pleasure to read . Kind of reminds me of Thomas Paine's famous "Common Sense" back in 1776 . Thanks for the gentlemanly contrast to some of the snarky rubbish we all-too-frequently encounter in some threads.

  12. by Rural
    Wed Jan 14, 2009 1:16 pm
    Thanks garabru, as I say in my header “I try to give positive input” but some days its really hard to do so. My initial reactions to some of these stories would not come under the heading of “reasonable” comment or debate!



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