World Food Supply

Is this a virtual invitation for GM foods or what? I don't suyppose any thought whatsoever has been given to individuals farming their own plots. Or perhaps co-ops of individuals doing the same and spreading the workload.......

Which parallels the reality within "The System", even within the so-called "advanced" capitalist countries, that there is such obscene wealth and consumption on the one hand, at the level of the ruling class and their "managerial" elites especially, and such apparent poverty growing parallel to their wealth on the other hand. Wealth, as Ed so often says, cannot be created, only taken. And here we see that truth at work "within" our own internal societal relationships as well.

Where there is great and conspicuous wealth on the one hand, there is invariably extreme poverty elsewhere in "the system"-, for the one is only able to secure their great wealth by, in one form or another, be it outright theft or market manipulations, taking/stealing a larger share that would otherwise go to another.

A man alone in the world cannot be wealthy. He can only be so if there are others to steal,hoodwink, or fraudulantly take from. It is one of the Laws of The Class System.(It's why the capitalist could not exist without the working class to steal share from, in the workplace and in the marketplace.)

The same holds true for the natural environment outside of men/women, and upon which they depend for sustenance: There is a point after which we can only continue to make ourselves increasingly "wealthy" by precipitously impoverishing Nature.

Wealth cannot be created out of air or by manipulating paper currency, it can only be taken from elsewhere or others, by one means or another.

We are yet blind as a species, our eyes unopened like babies. We must soon grow up. There is not an infinite amount of time available to us either.

Coyote

WHat I don;t understand is why there arent more laws governing how many kids people can have. People are having kids when they can barely take care of themselves and more than the people who can actually aptly take care of themselves. We need to take care of the rate of population growth.

Part of the problem is The Church, of course, and its prohibitions on birth control, another part is the attitudes of religious fundamentalism in general to the widespread dissemination of birth control knowledge and technologies, especially to the youngest and horniest, and another aspect is the poverty of many folks, many of these vulnerable because of addictions and simply not being able to afford good birth control methods, who are nonetheless sexually driven beings like the rest of us, and finally, the vulnerability of many women to control by men, here and in many other parts of the world. It is not a simple issue, to be sure, with many players playing their part in the piece, starting with the priesthood, through the business class that wants to keep their taxation rates low so that more of their fraudulant pofits goes to their profit bottom lineand doesn't wind up making life easier for the working and under classes, by providing them with free birth control information and means, for example.

On the other hand, where women enjoy greater control over their own lives, and folks are generally more prosperous, and are empowered with knowledge and assistance, and the priesthood/clergy influence is low, such as in much of the Western world, birth rates are dramatically lower... in cases like Canada, actually with such a declining birthrate, they increase immigration to grow the population of cheap labour and consumers to negate the low birthrate anyway, and still grow the population.

It is not a simple issue where one can simply shit the blame on a handful of typically impoverished individuals, as supporters of "the system" constantly attempt to do.



So what are you trying to say: That having children should only be left to the wealthy? Fuck you. I raised a large family when we couldn't really afford it. It has even been thus for the working class. And we today enjoy a goddamn fine extended family of children, grandchildren and even great grandchildren.

If everybody waited until they could "afford" to have children, that's the way it would be. Only the fucking rich would have them. Then who'd do the goddamn work for them?

The really productive part of the population that produces everything would become extinct, and the "wealthy" would really have to grow their own wealth. Not goddamn likely.

Maybe you need to open your eyes as well.

The Green party are the only party that "gets it" they have produced their own proposal for a stimulus package, one extract is shown below but the whole thing is well worth a read. The full document which contains some good ideas that did not happen can be viewed at http://www.greenparty.ca/stimulus-package


"Provide assistance to family farms so they can supply supermarket chains by supporting companies or co-operatives which will offer warehousing, refrigeration, packaging, marketing and selling to enable small farms to compete with large farms."

The ruling class needs bodies.

As coyoteman says, the rich cannot be at the top of the human food chain, without many bodies at the bottom. It's the same with freedom -- it's as though there is only so much freedom to go around, and the more people there are, the less freedom each individual has. The less freedom there is, the easier it is to control people. The only difference between "democracy" and "totalitarianism" is that control in a democracy is of the macro variety, while under a dictatorship it tends to be of the micro variety.

Therefore, propagation has become "sacrosanct", and limiting it is strictly taboo.

The problem for "traditional" political parties with practical ideas such as this, is that it isn't "sexy", and therefore doesn't generate headlines. Moreover, with money being spread thinly over a great area, the chances of kickbacks....er.....political donations, diminishes considerably. And really, what is the use of the party in power spreading largesse, if little or none of it makes it to the party coffers?

Worth repeating. So I did.

It is certainly so with the priesthood, certainly of the Chistian/Muslim traditions. (Both are more alike than dissimilar, unbeknownst or recognized to both of themselves. But it is also so with the ruling class, regardless of the regular chastisement of "the poor" for having too many babies. And they demonstrate that by "growing immigration" at any whisper of a decline in the birth rate, and their silence whenever Christian/Other Religious Nutters would deny the poor and working class early childhood sex education in their schools, and the easy availability of birth control means.

The reality is, that both the Priesthood and Ruling Class understand that their interests lie in things remaining exactly as they are. Population must endlessly grow in order for markets/consumers, cheap exploitable labour supply, and
their own wealth to continue to grow. (And the preisthood of all religions always does better and has more followers where there is mass over-population poverty and misery.)

It is the conundrum of capitalism, even as the natural order manifests serious signs of collapsing all around them and us as a consequence. (It is not fossil fuel use per se, for example, that is such a problem, though it certainly manifests as such and may be undesirable for other reasons, but that there is just too large a human population driving cars and heating homes and offices etc, and commensurate industries pumping out shit into the air, waterways and soil, making profit to feed, clothe, house, provide adult and kids' toys and otherwise maintain the human over-population problem. All the while, everyone from Suzuki, whom I generally admire, and the Greens and NDP on down runs around trying to apply bandages and make workable, a no longer workable political and economic system. They are themselves part of the heads in the sand politics of the current period, only to a marginally lesser degree.)

Time for things to be laid out on the table and talked about frankly, over the din of bullshit coming from nearly every quarter, including what passes for "the left" and "progressives".

Coyote

It is not a matter of being "sexy", the media is corporate controlled, the only headlines that are generated are the ones that their editors sanction. They are allowed to print only what fits in with the corporate agenda and family farms, healthy food etc does not fit in with their plan for world wide domination. In the political realm nothing is happening by accident.

Those of you who watched BBC News today will have seen the coming storm, with the rising of workers underway in France and England. If you have the opportunity, check it out.

Then there is this:
http://online.wsj.com:80/article/SB1230 ... 38419.html

While I'm not quite ready to holus bolus buy into this Russian Professor Pananin's theories "yet", re his US predictions, anymore than I was the US female academic of recent, whose name immediately escapes me, who herself has predicted a US military coup, neither would I totally denigrate either assessment as possible eventual outcomes. The US does contain within it, in its White, Black and Chicano immigration mix of recent years, and a lingering North-South political and economic divide, combined with the pressures driving an economic collapse of US capitalism, all the potential for Civil War. (To say nothing of all of the internal extreme class divisions as well within US society.) It's just mostly that I find it difficult to accept it is all that certain and that fast, by the predicted 2010 date. But neither would I say they are wrong.

And there is no doubt, if you have been following the European class warfare clashes in Greece, and now in France and England, all bets of mine anyway, are off the table. Anything is possible. And when things begin to come unglued, the politics of the time and the mood of the masses can change lightening fast.

If there is a major US collapse, however, either short of or including a civil/class war, my concern is its potential impact on this country.

No doubt, given the kind of quasi-colonial capitalist dependency system we have evolved with the US, that is going to unravel and collapse precipitously and quickly. Where it goes after that, I am a little less certain.

But be sure, there is going to be chaos. And it could turn ugly really, really quick, internally here as well, vis a vis Anglo Canada, Quebec and the Native Nations, again to say nothing of the growing potential, mirroring Europe right now, for the explosion of an internal class war situation-, especially within the Anglo and Francophone nations of Canada. (What manifestations of "class divisions" that do exist within Native societies, because of the extreme poverty across near all sectors, is yet really marginal and not highly developed-, in my read.)

But, however the US goes, will set the tone and agenda for this country as well, I have no doubt. And if predictions of an eventual US military coup do actually transpire out of the coming chaos, there should be no doubt as well that it is of greatest likelihood to be mirrored in this country, in some manifestation, not excluding the possibility of an eventual US military "walk about" here, if you catch my drift.

The times they are achanging... again. And you still don't need to be a weatherman to know which way the wind blows.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/7857435.stm

Even Peter C. Newman has predicted the breakup of the US.................

Although I`m what one would call a staunch Canadian nationalist, I wouldn`t want to see the breakup of the USA. The USA surely is ailing right now, but truly, the world does need an altruistic USA. And although I don`t believe in this current brand of globalization, I do believe that countries and cultures matter, and that these countries can work together without impinging on each other`s sovereignty. Co-operation, with some protectionism, is what we must revert to.