According to the Canadian Peace Alliance, “ The Canadian Peace Alliance is concerned at the suddenness of this announcement. It is designed to confirm the ongoing Afghan mission before many Canadians have been able to fully assess the issues surrounding our role there. Many Canadians still believe that we are doing reconstruction work in Afghanistan. The facts in this case have been hidden. CIDA has pulled its reconstruction team out of Afghanistan and rebuilding is at a halt. It is also deliberately confusing to have the Prime Minister saying that we are there for reconstruction while generals admit that our role is to kill.” CAP is equally concerned with the drastic measures to further our involvement without a mandate from the people of Canada to do so. Canadians are being asked to support our troops, without fully understanding the truth behind our involvement. It goes without saying that we support our troops, but we do not support the mission. They are two entirely different points. We the people are expected to fund these wars, sacrifice our children and yet have no information, no input and no accountability from our elected government. This is an insult to Canadians!
Today’s government is sinking us deeper into this corporate military agenda, while at the same time whitewashing the sacrifice, by not even lowering the flags in Ottawa when our youth pay the ultimate price with their lives. The media is cooperating by not reporting the real news and not showing Canadians the body bags as they return to Canada. What utter disrespect for the families and the soldiers! How are the Canadian people suppose to be consulted or informed if media has become spokesperson for a political agenda instead of respecting our right to free press. According to Polaris Institute we have reduced our commitment to UN Peacekeeping. While we’ve increased our commitment, with troops and $4.146 Billion (since September 11,2001) on military operations in or related to Afghanistan. This is a complete disgrace to the people of Canada, as well as the people suffering in Darfur, that desperately need our Canadian commitment to peacekeeping. Facts surrounding the Afghanistan mission, the invasion of Iraq and the investigation of 911 are murky at best. Our own stability and place in the Global community is being threatened by our willingness to follow blindly into the blood baths waged in the name of ‘a war on terror’. Our ignorance may be bliss to some, but the price is far too great for others!
The people of Afghanistan want peace. The corporate military machine wants oil. All peace-seeking people the world over are being sacrificed by this global agenda. Clearly the occupation of Afghanistan is creating more violence. Bigger guns and more troops will not create peace. The only choice is to call for the troops to be removed.
CAP echoes the sentiments expressed within this quote, “We now have to deal, in the United States, with the unholy reign of G.W.Bush supported by the oil and money and armaments interests.
They have created a degree of instability in the world between NorthWest and SouthEast that is worse than the cold war. The ubiquitous "War on Terror" - which resulted from the 9/11 disaster - which resulted from U.S. interference in Arabian/Muslim affairs - has led to the U.S. Patriot Act I and II, torture of prisoners and suppression of Habeus Corpus and Civil Rights.
The Chretien Government did have the balls to refuse to overtly join the
"Coalition of the Willing" but it caved on the negotiation for a North American Union.
I don’t know if this surrender to U.S. policies was due to being bought, or to a hope of protecting the Canadian economy from repercussions if we disobeyed, or an expectation of reaping some of the spoils from the putative U.S. domination of the world, or from outright threats and bullying. But it was being done under the table without any analysis by the media and now Mr. Harper can't wait to complete the "deep integration" promised for 2010.” Derek Skinner, 81 year old Canadian Patriot
Although the above quote was in relation to why Mr. Skinner is refusing to submit to the Lockheed Martin hardware/software-Canadian Census, it reflects many Canadians’ views on what has happened to our country. (See the full article on CAP website) CAP fully supports our troops, as they have sworn an oath to give up their freedoms, so that we might have ours. Ours are also on the line, as noted above and in more detail on CAP’s website. These young men and women will follow orders and go where they are sent. That is as it should be, however it is our role, both civilians and politicians to fully debate, discuss and ensure that wherever they are sent, it is under Canadian command. Our military should be a reflection of our values as a peace-seeking country. A sovereign nation does not take its marching orders from a foreign power! We are calling for all Canadians to demand Canada’s troops out of Afghanistan now and refuse any extension of this mission! We must ask ourselves, ‘do we have a democracy in Canada’? If so then let us employ it. If not then we must ask ourselves, ‘why not and do we want a democracy’? An authentic democracy requires the involvement of the people and cannot exist unless the people take responsibility for it.
The world is in turmoil, the media is not investigating, nor reporting the full extent of Canada’s involvement nor of the threat posed to us through ‘deep integration’. Last month the Toronto Star had an interesting article by Michael Byers, I quote, “Bi-National Planning Group… Their professed goal is to improve co-operation between the Canadian and U.S. militaries, the better to defend both countries.
Yet a close reading of their final report released last month, reveals that their actual intent ¬ or at least the intent of the politicians who set their mandate ¬ is far from benign. They seek nothing less than the complete integration of Canada's military, security and foreign policy into the decision-making and operating systems of the U.S.” Reference: http://www.canadianactionparty.ca/temp/articles/The_Signing_of_an_Enhanced_NORAD_is_Continental_Integration_by_Stealth.asp
The writing is on the wall. Canadians must speak now before we lose our voice! Every elected MP must be accountable to Canadians on this issue. The lives of our youth are on the line and for their sake, we must decide if the price of their blood is worth it! Once their life is lost and they lay in the cold hard ground, your voice and mine will not give them or their families any consolation. Join us and speak now! Most Canadians believe war could end tomorrow if there was the political will do to so – but instead we stand idly by while old men with big egos, beat their chests and young men and women are used as pawns to satisfy this insatiable lust for power!
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Contact info:
Catherine Whelan Costen, Canadian Action Party, President
Email: cathpublish@wildroseinternet.ca
Ph: 403-660-0449
Canadian Action Party/ Parti Action Canadienne
Leader, Constance (Connie) Fogal
Telephone (604) 872 2128 home; Fax: (604) 872 1504
E-mail: conniefogal@telus.net
#385- 916 West Broadway, Vancouver B.C. V5Z1K7
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As for the "no debate" line... please... first deployment was unanimously supported by all parties and that was straight up combat (that combat would include Operation Annaconda where our snipers covered the US troops)... there were no peacekeeping overtones. Harper has put this to TWO debates now (how many debates did the Liberals call again?)... and both passed.
Should we hold debates every time some polster comes out with numbers? Should we pull our soldiers out every time the support drops and then put them back in when it goes back up? Fortunately, some of our members see beyond the immediate political gain.
Right now, support for a Darfur mission is high. Before too long, if we were there and taking casualties, that support would drop again and the lefty vultures would be screaming about protecting big oil in southern Sudan again.
People on my side say the reasons are clear, the mission defined and the goal noble. On yours, the reasons are murky or linked with American Imperialism and the goals are deceitful. No amount of debate between you or I is going to remove either of us from our entrenched positions.
Afghanistan has been destroyed, and somebody has to do something to help them. That being said, should it be us? We are there for many reasons, some say to rebuild, some say to protect the oil pipeline that the Americans are building. Regardless, the reason the country needs to be rebuilt in the first place (aside from the destruction brought about by the Taliban and the Russians) is that the US didn't finish it's job, and instead went off on it's illegal war in Iraq. I'm a bit uneasy with our country cleaning up their mess so that they can go create an even worse disaster.
Secondly, I do not think this war is being presented to us based on it's merits. Steven Harper, Peter MaKay, and company are now using the exact same tactics the US government has relied on to browbeat it's people into war: staged photo ops in the war zone wearing combat gear, and blatant appeals to vague notions of patriotism and duty, without any real details on exactly what projects and missions we are engaged in there. The US experience has given us the benefit of hindsight: we can see now why they used those tactics to sell the Iraq war: because they were lying, and continue to lie, about the purpose of that war. We should be treading very carefully here, and somebody needs to do some serious investigative reporting to bring us some real facts about this Afghanistan mission before anybody can truely support it. If there is any possibility that this is not about helping desperate people rebuilt their lives then we need to know.
Finally, this is my general argument against armed intervention. Military operations are unbelievably expensive. What would happen if that money was channeled instead into genuine reconstruction efforts? The remnants of the Taliban would have no political traction at all if the people were not so needy.
Look at the example of Bosnia... unitl the shooting stops, reconstruction cannot begin. Much of Afghanistan is still in the intermittent shooting phase. Once the security situation is stabilized, only then can the NGO's and real reconstruction move ahead.
I'm beginning to think that you don't believe debate occurs until everyone sees it your way. Sounds more like you advocate tyrany.
Michael: You are fantastic. Polite, factual, engaging, informative and generally spot on. Vivelecanada is better for your presence. After work I will hoist a Tuborg (tastes like freedom!) to you, my good man. Keep it up.
It's almost as if the Americans had no part in the destruction of this country. Are we to assume the Americans were not part of the cold war. Their anti-communist stance took them to many regions of the world to fight the "Commies" on foreign soil. They were protecting their own country in Viet Nam as well. They were only in Afghanistan because the Soviet were. They were never there for the benefit of that countries citizens. They still aren't and Canada is playing no role other then attempting to get brownie points with them. Perhaps the worlds anti-American sentiment, is the major reason why Canadian citizens aren't convinced of why Canada is there.
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"I'm beginning to think that you don't believe debate occurs until everyone sees it your way. Sounds more like you advocate tyrany."
I'm making a distinction between real debate where the public have time and opportunity for input, and window dressing. Did I miss the time allotted or opportunity given for input?
A referendum would show in more absolute terms just what Canadians really want. Would you like to see a referendum on the question of extending the Afghan mission? A bonus question would be if we should bring the troops home now? Would you support that?
The "debate" was an exercise in PR. From here on Harper can claim the matter was debated and people in favor of the mission can trumpet that all the t's were crossed and i's dotted. Unsaid but implied is the message: "so shut up what have you to complain about". Since Harper got in Canada has turned into a ugly cariacture of O'reilly of faux news fame, IMHO of course.
It is a pity that you cannot differentiate between real debate with real public input and the pretend democracy substitute Harper offered Canada this week. Perhaps pretend democracy is OK as long as the outcome supports your opinion.
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