American Global Dominance Could End In 15 Years -- CIA

Posted on Monday, January 31 at 10:30 by N Say
The likely emergence of China and India ... as new major global players—similar to the advent of a united Germany in the 19th century and a powerful United States in the early 20th century—will transform the geopolitical landscape with impacts potentially as dramatic as those in the previous two centuries.

In this new world, a mere 15 years away, the United States will remain "an important shaper of the international order"—probably the single most powerful country—but its "relative power position" will have "eroded." The new "arriviste powers"—not only China and India, but also Brazil, Indonesia, and perhaps others—will accelerate this erosion by pursuing "strategies designed to exclude or isolate the United States" in order to "force or cajole" us into playing by their rules.

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http://slate.com/id/2112697/

i wonder if the US will go quietly, or will they start WWIII?

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  1. Tue Feb 01, 2005 5:36 am
    this guy might sound like a whacko at first, but there is an important point concerning the difference between nations and empires within the undercurrents of his discussion. <br />
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    <a href="http://www.newswithviews.com/Wooldridge/frosty28.htm">http://www.newswithviews.com/Wooldridge/frosty28.htm</a><br />
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    I wonder if the US would break up according to the "Jesus Land" vs. USA red-blue maps.

  2. Tue Feb 01, 2005 2:25 pm
    I'd refer to the first article and honestly see no value in the second. Anybody who thinks that a modern nation is some kind of monolithic structure as compared to an 'empire' is sadly off mark. This goes for the states as much as for Canada. Here it is extremely evident, the country was created by the british empire and quickly copied that country's model of empire building. Economic policies were created to keep Ontario and to a lesser extent Quebec the centres of industry and the rest of the country peripheral.

    In the states it's a complete negation of history to see that country as a unified bloc of 'blacks and whites'. The hispanic population, having been run out of the southern states are now returning because of imposed economic policies in their own country, while the black population itself has always been pretty much a 'foreign entity' that has been combated much in the same way one would contain a foreign enemy. All of this doesn't even go into the fact that the country was born of a war between 'loyalists' and the newly established 'americans' which were sustained by the french. Not to mention that it was first born of the wars against its native inhabitants, then quickly denigrated into a war between the north and south. During the Vietnam war we saw a kind of war between the 'anti war' and anti-establishment protesters, one so prominent that the army refused sending more troops overseas because they would need them at home for population control.

    Not to mention the not quite as violent, yet easily discernable economic wars between municipalities and their states, and between states and the federal government. Similar to the ones in canada yet even more profound. One doesn't hear about this through the media often but you can see the idea expressed in movies whenever the FBI is called in and has to deal with local law enforcement.

    If you look at China and India you see the exact same struggles as I mention elsewhere. People against their government. What is truly frightening about this is that similar popular revolts have happened in the past, and the result is that the state quells such revolt by 'distraction', typically world wars. In both world wars Canada turned into a true socialist economy, and if you look at the structures evident in our government you can see that such a thing could be evident today. None of the wars of the past have been to protect canadian soil, whereas a few 'terrorist bombings' in Canada (which is possible as our government becomes more integrated with the US's demands) would give government an even greater incentive than in the past.

  3. Tue Feb 01, 2005 2:26 pm
    Gleeful hope that the United States will disintegrate is premature, they will remain a beacon of angst and handwringing for whinging anti-American lefties for a long time to come.

    The article is just stating the obvious - which is that if these other countries are given the freedom to develop themselves by their governments, they will become major economic and social forces.

    But that doesn't mean the US will become less of a state itself, the arena of powerful states will just expand to include others - like economic growth, the whole thing gets bigger instead of each getting a smaller piece.

  4. Tue Feb 01, 2005 9:07 pm
    You'll note the absence of glee in just about every political discussion that goes on here. Empires expand for a reason, and other expanding empires are always cause for concern. If you look at american military bases as well as those trading with the american dollar and with america as a chief trading partner then obviously that doesn't bode well for the US (note the lack of glee in that-an empire is an empire, very few have served the majority of their citizens well).

    The US is the dominant force in the world right now, with influence in just about every country. If that influence is superceded by Brazilian, Chinese, or Indian influenc then that is not 'the whole becoming larger'. You either control or you don't.

    There is the point that these machinations do little for the average member of the population. The average US worker works longer and for less money than their parents during the fifties and sixties. Labour rights are non-existent and freedoms are continually suppressed.

    This is all hardly gleeful. The future is always unknown and the article, while interesting, is a prediction. Should they begin to lose influence the US could simply manufacture a war with the offending country, bomb their major industries to dust, then continue on as usual. We have seen examples of the US turning on it's friends at a moments notice (Iraq, the Taliban, Panama). It's a dangerous precedent, while it keeps your friends in line, it doesn't instil much loyalty.

  5. Mon Feb 07, 2005 12:20 pm
    The world is changing indeed,And the U.S. position in the world is changing also under the wreckless Bush regime.America is rapidly shedding most of it's true allies in the modern world where it's old routine of "cowboy justice" and " accept our democracy or we'll kill you" is found repulsive by inteligent human beings.Fortunatly for those in the world who reject or fear the Bush regime's warmongering,in a way they are also an ally,because as they doggedly pursue their dubious military ambitions at the same time they are plunging their country dangerously close to financial implosion.And although the world is pretty much helpless against U.S. military power,the U.S. is becoming vulnerable to world financial power,and it seems some countries are more and more taking this opportunity to weaken Goliath.Chop out his legs(financially) and the giant will fall.
    The shifting global economy looks very bright for a resource rich Canada right now,and the less we have to do with the States the better.They want us to join them in the Iraq disaster,missle defence,and talk of combining military and even the dollar.They want our energy,petroleum,water ,etc. Misery loves company!A drowning man will clutch at anything he can.
    Yes the U.S. is ostrasizing itself in the world and I can see their fortunes sliding.I truly feel sorry for average amercans because they are the ones who will suffer,the Bushies are busy stuffing their pockets and their corporations full of taxpayer money,and they obiously don't care what's left of the country when the bank is empty.The future doesn't look that good for the U.S. to me,I only hope one day Americans realise whats happened and imprison these crooks forever.
    As for terrorists I believe George Bush and his Henchmen are undoubtedly the greatest threat to world peace in modern times.



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