Are You On Canada's Unannounced NO FLY List?

Who is the "muslim professional" that is on the list? Kahil? Kadhr? Another Ressam? The US has plenty to fear from these people. Unfortunately, there is a very small minority of white christians trying to blow up buildings in the US (and most of those are home grown US citizens like McVeigh) and most of the people who are, are middle eastern muslims (though there are others, like Padilla).

Do you know anything about this professional you are defending? I can't argue against him/her since you give no information about him/her. Perhaps they have been in Canada 12 years (like Kahil) and perhaps they even own a business (like Kahil). But perhaps Canada let your "professional" in even though they had terrorist connections and membership (like Kahil). Being a "professional" is no indication of honesty or integrity. Arafat was an engineer. He was still a terrorist who murdered. Perhaps this professional has teenaged children who are also on the list. Unfortunately for them, we know that the children of terrorists can also kill (like the Kadhr family).

Unfortunately for your oppressed minority, the US has a dim view of people whom our "progressive" society seems to absolve. And I can't say that I blame them. There is a reason that no further successful terrorist attacks have been made on US soil since 2001, and the no fly list is one of them.

The question should be why we don't link to the US no fly list for one of our own? How do we allow people like Kahil to board planes?

I don't share your view that the muslims are a persecuted people in the US or Canada. The fact is, that a minority of them are directly involved in terrorism or associated with people who are. And thus a minority of them are on watch lists and such. Correlating that to a police state is more than just a stretch. Even in the US where civil liberties have been more than likely violated (in cases such as the domestic wire taps), you are very far from a police state. That is not to say that violation of the law at the executive level should not be investigated and punished, but to correlate the no fly list to Nazi Germany is incomprehensible. Denying specific people flight privledges or certain travel privleges is nothing like locking up people into camps for extermination based on religion or ethnicity.

Or perhaps you support Ahmadinejad and would deny the extent or facts of the Holocaust? More than likely, you need to take a refresher course on what that was and how it happened. It is too easy to throw around terms like police state, or loosely correlate any current restrictions or policy that you don't agree with to the Nazi's. By doing so you diminish what happened in the 30's and 40's. You trivialize the horror of those events. Today is nothing like Nazi Germany. There have been no roundups, nobody forced to wear visible icons of their religion by any western state, no minorities are being walled into specific locations, there are no camps set aside for specific peoples (and Guantanmo or the black sites are not Auchwitz by any measure).

Your arguement is flawed. And you provide no facts for which to argue against. Only hyperbole and conjecture. Cite a specific example of a Canadian who was placed on a watch list for incorrect reasons and couldn't get off that watch list (there are instances where people with similar names who have been pulled, but almost all of them were able to continue their flights or travels after they had been verified to be whom they said they were). Can you name even one person who is not on this list for justifiable reasons? Just one. Please, show me where the "police state" has infringed on the rights of my fellow Canadians and I will ceade the arguement to you. Just one justifiable case.

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And of course their much feared and hated Israeli's return the favor by allowing them to vote in Israel's elections (those "evil" bastards!!!)...<br />
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“Please, show me where the "police state" has infringed on the rights of my fellow Canadians and I will ceade the arguement to you. Just one justifiable case.”

Check out the article from the Toronto Star posted on this website on January 7 called “Mississauga Man Detained”. Below is part of the article that displays how flawed these no fly lists are.

“The U.S. "no-fly list" has been frequently criticized for cases of mistaken identity. Innocent passengers have been snared because of similarities to names on the list or because names have been misspelled. Among those who have been barred in the United States are veteran Massachusetts Senator Edward Kennedy, John Lewis, a Democratic congressman from Georgia, and the son of Canadian Senator Colin Kenny, who has chaired the Canadian Senate's security committee.”

It goes on to describe the experiences of a Canadian man and his family. The article is still available.


Mike
Winnipeg

>>>> Please, show me where the "police state" has infringed on the rights of my fellow Canadians and I will ceade the arguement to you. Just one justifiable case.”

Check out the article from the Toronto Star posted on this website on January 7 called “Mississauga Man Detained”<<<<


That so called “police state” that the man was detained in is Mexico.

Next…..

Look, People have the “right” not to be incinerated at their desks by some nutcase that thinks he is going to get 72 black eyed virgins in paradise for killing infidels. It is not a “right” to hop on an airplane and fly through another sovereign countries airspace, it is a privilege. If someone is briefly and lawfully detained in insuring my right to not have to see another Sept 11th so be it. If you are an “infidel” or standing near one you might want to think about what your "rights" are.

Why not try posting something that's actually on-topic? If you went to a political debate and spent all of your time talking about basket weaving, no one would listen to you either. This is about politics, terrorism, and MISTAKEN IDENTITY. Stay on-topic and you will be much better received. Extra points if you manage to do it without resorting to insults and ad-hominem attacks; it's the same rules that everyone else has to follow as well.

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Your mantra has been your opinions are stifled due to their contrary nature, when they are actually stifled for being without perceivable foundation.

Innocent people die in *every* terrorist attack, by the very definition of terrorism (attack on non-military target). And yet you're trying to use one such instance to justify removing the rights of other innocent people, jsut because they share a name with a *suspected* terrorist. God forbid anyone named John Smith ever get on a no-fly list.

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Your mantra has been your opinions are stifled due to their contrary nature, when they are actually stifled for being without perceivable foundation.

>>>Stay on-topic and you will be much better received.<<,

Hey, mine was on topic and you hid it anyway, you have been hiding posts regardless of merit for months. So no; no one believes that BS anymore.

The man was detained in Mexico on route from Toronto at the request of the US authorites because he was on a US no fly list. This is in the article.

In other words Canada is sharing all passenger lists with the United States.

Mike
Winnipeg

>>>Innocent people die in *every* terrorist attack, by the very definition of terrorism (attack on non-military target). And yet you're trying to use one such instance to justify removing the rights of other innocent people,<<<<

It is amazing how fast you contradict yourself. I couldn't make stuff like this up if I were writing parody:

>> Innocent people die in *every* terrorist attack,<<<

In every terrorist attack…Meaning that there have been more then one?

>>> you're trying to use one such instance<<<

Just one instance, eh? There have been 4035 islamic terrorist attacks since 9/11/01 in 50 countries, as of this afternoon. That is >since< 9/11. Do the math, that is about one a day. Pretending this all just relates to “one such instance” shows the fundamental ignorance that colors your entire perception of reality. You wish to feel that this is robbing you of your rights so you do. As usual, you are full of shit.

Further, it is not a RIGHT to fly on someone elses airplans in someone elses airspace. It is a privelage. UNDERSTAND THAT Jesse.

>>. God forbid anyone named John Smith ever get on a no-fly list.<<<

He wouldn’t be able to fly until it was straightened out. Big damn deal.

>>>In other words Canada is sharing all passenger lists with the United States. <<<<

Nice leap in logic... Not >All<. There is a country that aircraft have to fly over for a plane to get from Canada to the Mexico, a sovereign nation with a right to keep people out of its airspace. Don't like it,? Fly over the Atlantic or the Pacific or take the scenic rout over the Arctic, Asia, the Antarctic and South America. That is going to be an expensive ticket though.

things that are off-topic:

- complaints about the moderation, unless the article is about moderation
- bringing up 9/11, for any article that is not about 9/11.
- bringing up your grandmother yet again (usually gets marked as "Redundant")
- arguments about off-topic things still get marked as off-topic.

Still, you do have a point; the moderation system isn't working as well as I had hoped. So new measures are going to be put in place, which will hopefully address your concerns. Look for posts on the subject in the forums sometime in the next few weeks.


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Your mantra has been your opinions are stifled due to their contrary nature, when they are actually stifled for being without perceivable foundation.

How much is it worth to be able to get on the next flight you've purchased? I'd say that ensuring my continued right to travel freely is worth quite a bit.

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Your mantra has been your opinions are stifled due to their contrary nature, when they are actually stifled for being without perceivable foundation.

Your tune would change if it was your own name on that no-fly list. What if the flight was for your poor grandmother's funeral, or your daughter's wedding? It would most certainly be a Big Deal then.

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Your mantra has been your opinions are stifled due to their contrary nature, when they are actually stifled for being without perceivable foundation.