Kiss Your Democracy Goodbye (But Did You Ever Have One?)

Posted on Monday, October 24 at 13:03 by Diogenes
Contrary to popular myth, the democratic process, the universal franchise, habeas corpus, the ‘inalienable rights’ and so on and so forth that the pundits spout on about, far from being an "inalienable right" extending back to the Magna Carta some eight hundred years ago, our extremely limited democracy is barely one hundred years old and is something that is by no means "taken for granted" as events in Northern Ireland revealed; nor the raft of laws such as the infamous "D" notice which is no more than an "agreement" between the owners and managers of the media not to print or broadcast stories that might be embarrassing to the state, under the guise of "state security." With literally hundreds of laws that collectively the state paradoxically likes to call our ‘unwritten constitution’ and without recourse to a clearly defined set of rules that sets limits on what powers the state possesses over its citizens, until the UK — reluctantly and with all kinds of provisos — signed the European Union’s Human Rights Act, the state could pretty well do whatever it pleases. And now, under the guise of fighting the "war on terror," it wants to opt out of key sections of the Act. In fact, the UK is probably the most regulated, controlled and surveilled of any of the so-called democracies. With an estimated 6 million video cameras installed across the country over which there is no oversight, indeed, no controls whatsoever as to what happens to the footage, who sees it or who ends up possessing it, the state’s control over its citizens is almost complete. And if anyone has any doubts about the perilous state of our "democracy," the vote on ID cards on 18/10/05 had only 20 Labour MPs voting against it, and most of those on the grounds of cost of the project. Public debate on the issue is virtually non-existent. The government has consistently misled the public on the real nature of the ID card, hiding entirely the real reason, namely the creation of a national database on its citizens, an allegation it of course, strenuously denies. The vast cost of creating a national database on 60 million people, a database that will contain information of all kinds, not merely the kind that will allegedly stop "identity theft" or allegedly identify "terrorists," benefit "cheats," and those participating in "organised crime," but to add insult to injury, one that we will be forced to pay for. So what is going here? Nobody could deny that indeed the state is undertaking fundamental attacks on the limited civil rights we have won over the past century or so of struggle but firstly, why are elements of the legal profession and the media only now waking up to the fact? Could it be that as long as it was only "extremists" and other "fellow travellers" who were the alleged subject of the attacks, our "liberal intelligentsia" were not that troubled; but now that they see their own positions of privilege threatened, they have at long last spoken out? What is revealed here is something a lot more fundamental and a lot more insidious, for these self-same people who now talk of a “drift toward a police state” have seen the writing on the wall for at least past eight years, yet said nothing and indeed were quite content to accept the "drift" so long as it didn’t affect them. Moreover, it reveals the incestuous relationship between our so-called intelligentsia and the state; why else do they continue to peddle the line that what is happening is some kind of encroachment on these mythical "rights" that we are supposed to have had for centuries? The uncomfortable truth is that democracy, even the limited form we currently have, exists for only as long as it’s convenient to keep it. And it’s a "democracy" that is extremely narrowly defined, namely a two-party system that exists within a structure defined by an inherited and entrenched state bureaucracy that is, we are told, neutral and independent of the political process. http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=viewArticle&code=BOW20051021&articleId=1124 [Proofreader's note: this article was edited for spelling and typos on October 25, 2005]

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  1. Tue Oct 25, 2005 2:13 am
    It's merely interpretation of democracy that determines the rights of individuals. Some Canadians relate more to the American interpretation then British. Canadian Democracy is suposidly not based on capitalism yet we see that money realy does count. Americans have the "patriot act" and Canada accomodates with laws similar. The "bill of rights" and "freedom of speach" has changed frequently over the years. Canada accomodates the change in perspective of either global conditions or voter perspective. This is unlike the Americans "new patriot act" sitting in the shelf next to the act written in the eighteen hundreds, "the right to bear arms" Both have equal value but both written for a different time.

    Should Sadam be ridiculed for not allowing "the right to bear arms! Was this American act based on democracy and would the British agree? Shouldn't democracy remain flexible if the basics of democracy reside? Who realy determines democracy?

  2. Tue Oct 25, 2005 8:14 am
    The answer is in the question, 'Who really determines democracry?' If democracy is by and for the people, then the people must define democracy. It is a vehicle for us to use, and like any vehicle or tool, if it isn't used you lose it, or it gets rusty or becomes redundant, as something will replace it. It is our system of choice, but only if we understand and partake in it. That is the reason why our youth must be educated in our civic process, in learning what democracy is and how it works or should work. I say educated, not indoctrinated, they must be encouraged to read books and write their opinions, and really think, not just react.



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    If I stand for my country today...will my country be here to stand for me tomorrow?

  3. Tue Oct 25, 2005 2:44 pm
    Agreed.

  4. Tue Oct 25, 2005 4:43 pm
    When Preston Manning's Reform Party first raised its ugly head in these parts, there was a lot of talk by the new faithful that :"The trouble is we have too much freedom. What we need is a benevolent dictatorship and Preston is going to give it to us"

    Virtually the whole of BC went for Reform and now for its sicko successors. We had militias organizing and writing letters to the papers threatening various groups and openly talking that: "When we come to power we'll knock off all the fruits, Indians and socialists! All we need are a platoon with machineguns to solve the native landclaims......etc."

    I'm not suggesting that Manning may have been part of all this, or even that he may have known about it. I don't think he was that stupid, but many of his followers were outright nutcases and still are, now under different names and leaders. We can read some on these blogs and interactive lists and shake our heads.

    Then, with the Oklahoma City explosion, the whole group suddenly became silent, went underground and never heard of again. But they're still all around and gloating over the gradual, step by step destruction of democracy, while thumping their Bibles.

    Having grown up under fascism I can now again smell its stink and recognize the words, propaganda of my childhood. "We must follow the great leader with the cross on his chest !"

    Guess, who that was ? Adolf, who demanded Lebensraum, "room to live", the forerunner of today's globalization scam, together with the international dreams of the communists and their Internationale. In other words, there's nothing new in the current ideology.

    Wealth can not be created, only taken, and as resources are becoming scarcer, the power elite must use ever increasing violence to maintain their exploitation rights. This can only be achieved under dictatorial powers and total brainwash of society to give up their rights. There are thousands of examples in history and people still fall for this crime wave ? This is the most astonishing part in the whole racket.

    Ed Deak, Big lake, BC.

  5. Tue Oct 25, 2005 7:10 pm
    I always appreciate your contributions, Ed Deak of Big Lake.
    And find it particularly interesting to read the taunts of Michael Scott on the thread preceding this one.

    There is a relationship between what some call Britain, the USA, Canada, New Zealand, Australia and other English speaking countries that goes beyond mere coincidence.

    And Yes! Virginia, there are conspiracies that may have started as a theory and has now become an actually.

    Is It merely coincidence that “leaders” are also members of the Bilderbergers and similar organisation?

    Is DR, D.L. Cuddy’s A CHRONOLOGICAL HISTORY OF THE NEW WORLD ORDER a theory?
    It is most decidedly not!
    A docile, cowed and brain dirtied populous created by Wilhelm Wundt’s work combined with Hegelian Dialectics: Problem, Reaction, Solution has been manipulating the hoi polloi far too long



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    "The cost to the good people for their indifference to their public affairs is to be ruled by evil men." - Plato
    I don't make jokes. I just watch the governmen

  6. Wed Oct 26, 2005 2:01 am
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    Democracy.. really what tree did you fall out of ? Just last month we read and saw on the news where the Canadian Government forgot to inform those who served at Base Gagetown some 40 years ago, they were being sprayed with Agent orange and as I understand it a new mixture, with a greater concentration of dioxins . <br />
    Then on a radio talk show out of Halifax , I heard that the Canadian Government was involved in the testing of Chemical Warfare Agent at Suffield, Alberta and those troops were never informed. My god what kind of a country is Canada really? It is for one thing not as kind of a country we are led to believe. Here you go I did a little digging on the net and this is some information I came up with and it is off of the Department Of National Defence website.<br />
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    <a href="http://www.forces.gc.ca/hr/centre/engraph/cwatrpp_e.asp">http://www.forces.gc.ca/hr/centre/engraph/cwatrpp_e.asp</a> <br />
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    Democracy is no longer alive , it is truly a myth .

  7. Wed Oct 26, 2005 4:29 pm
    If you liked that, wait till you read this:<br />
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    <a href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/10/23/AR2005102301352.html">http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/10/23/AR2005102301352.html</a><br />
    <p>---<br>"If you must kill a man, it costs you nothing to be polite about it." Winston Churchill<br />

  8. Wed Oct 26, 2005 7:57 pm
    Yes the world has become a donkey and ALL Politicans are its asshole. Democracy is down the shitter.

  9. Fri Nov 11, 2005 1:10 pm
    What kind of leader would be willing to lead with the use of electronic voting machines? Electronic voting machines remove all of the transparency of the ballot box. Electronic voting machines have come into use without debate, discussion or rational. I have shouted for years that people must vote by ballot or bullet. Electronic voting machines give much more creedence and potential to voting with a bullet. Voting with a bullet in Canada now makes proper and reasonable sense. After all violence solves a great deal of problems when dialogue is replaced with deceit. As for Gomrey. The only reasonable penalty for high officials who violate the law is capital punishment. The point of capital punishment used again executives of the court, law and office is to restore faith in leadership, law and democracy. Thankfully I am not even close to being alone in my views.

  10. Fri Nov 11, 2005 3:04 pm
    Capital punishment for fraud? Violent overthrow for the use of electronic voting systems? Hate to break it to you but you ARE alone in your madness. Just you and your imaginary friends:)

  11. by avatar Jesse
    Fri Nov 11, 2005 5:58 pm
    Electronic voting machines do not have to remove transparency. It's just ones such as used in the US, where there is no paper trail and no access to the internal working or source code, where transparency is lost. Australia has done it right, allowing citizens (And others) to freely examine the source code:<br />
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    <a href="http://www.wired.com/news/ebiz/0,1272,61045,00.html">http://www.wired.com/news/ebiz/0,1272,61045,00.html</a><br />
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    The US decided to hand their voting machine contracts over to secretive and greedy private companies like Diebold; electronic voting can be done, provided the preservation of transparency is a primary goal, as it is in Australia and elsewhere.<p>---<br>Your mantra has been your opinions are stifled due to their contrary nature, when they are actually stifled for being without perceivable foundation.



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