INCOME TRUSTS: PARTY'S OVER

Posted on Thursday, November 02 at 09:20 by Diogenes
"Quite frankly, things changed a great deal this year and we're faced with a situation where Canada was moving to an income trust economy," Mr. Flaherty said, noting that in 2006 alone, the market value of companies converting to trusts was approaching $70-billion. "Left unchecked, such corporate decisions would result in billions of dollars in less revenue for the federal government to invest in the priorities of Canadians." Ottawa was prompted to act after telecommunications giants Telus and BCE announced their conversion plans, according to a source familiar with the deliberations. The Tories also worried that those moves could pave the way for financial institutions such as banks, or portions of bank assets, to be converted to trusts. Income trusts pay little or no corporate tax, instead shovelling out the bulk of earnings to investors, who are taxed individually. http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/LAC.20061101.INCOMEMAINSB01/TPStory/Front 4Canada also submitted: Nov. 2, 2006. 01:00 AM THOMAS WALKOM Finance Minister Jim Flaherty's decision to clamp down on the corporate tax dodges known as income trusts has thrown Bay Street into a tizzy. Across the country, angry investors who have been cashing in on Canada's number one tax avoidance scheme are squealing in anger. But in the long run, another element of the Flaherty on-the-fly tax reforms may be far more significant. That is the government's decision to open the door to a controversial tax change — long sought by the socially conservative right — that, if fully implemented, would affect every married or common-law couple in the land. In the antiseptic lingo of tax professionals, the measure is known as income splitting. Quite simply, it means that couples — if they wish — get to total up their total earnings each year, divide them down the middle and pay their income taxes accordingly. Income splitting provides a windfall financial benefit to families where only one partner works outside the home. For that reason, it is favoured by those, like the anti-feminist organization R.E.A.L Women, who promote the concept of stay-at-home moms. It also benefits couples where one spouse earns significantly more than the other. The reason? High-income individuals face higher income tax rates. If a big earner can transfer some of his income to a spouse facing a lower tax rate, the couple as a whole saves money. http://tinyurl.com/yaza45

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  1. by Rural
    Thu Nov 02, 2006 6:43 pm
    I hate to agree with anything the Harporites do but find it hard to disagree with either of these moves. Any move to stop big business from dodging their share of taxes cannot be all bad and for most us family income is just that, it all goes into the same pot and is spent to support the family and should be taxed as such. Given their dismal showing thus far and their pro Corporation stance these moves surprised me, could it be an election can be seen in the near future?

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  2. Thu Nov 02, 2006 7:59 pm
    This move by Harper reqires an in depth study

    as it stands I am given to understand
    pesion plans for Canada pension onward will be penialised thus taking $$$ out of our pockets.




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  3. Thu Nov 02, 2006 8:49 pm
    From my understanding, current IT's won't have to pay tax for 4 years (real estate trusts, never). So, if in that 4 years their dividends rise by 30%, no one loses anything.

    People lost money yesterday because the stock values dropped. I don't believe a word politicians say, so I have no money in IT's, other than through mutual funds.

    I have to agree with Rural though. It was surprising to see that the Cons closed a loophole that the Liberals' buddies on Bay street so desperately wanted.

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  4. Thu Nov 02, 2006 9:21 pm
    "I have to agree with Rural though. It was surprising to see that the Cons closed a loophole that the Liberals' buddies on Bay street so desperately wanted."

    In which case one needs to be even more suspicious

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    Diogenes said:
    "I am Diogenes the Dog. I nuzzle the kind, bark at the greedy and bite scoundrels."

  5. by Wraun
    Thu Nov 02, 2006 9:46 pm
    There has to be something for big business. You can't just take from them and not at least throw them a bone. Not, I mean, if you are a conservative or have a record like one.
    I smell an election promise in the making though, with the talk of income splitting. As usual, my situation will probably be the one scenario that won't benefit. But then again, who knows what my situation will be when the promise (if made) finally comes to pass in...? 2050 maybe?

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  6. Thu Nov 02, 2006 11:19 pm
    IIRC, when the Liberals allowed IT's to be tax exempt, they also lowered corporate income tax to level the playing field.

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    "I think it's important to always carry enough technology to restart civilization, should it be necessary." Mark Tilden

  7. Thu Nov 02, 2006 11:34 pm
    Notice that there was also a promise to lower corporate taxes even lower. Notice also that as financial experts maintain, nobody knows which group is more plentiful, those with income trusts, or personal investors who have them in their portfolio.

    I suspect this gives the 'appearance' of cracking down on the wealthy, while not really doing much. I have accountant friends at revenue canada and they maintain that corporations in this country essentially pay what they want to. I don't know what the level is for Canada, I know that in New Brunswick out of all government spending, corporate taxes account for a mere 3%.

    As was also mentioned by the NDP, this makes them look like they are doing something to get revenue from 'tax dodgers', yet the big reality is that giantic loophole Martin opened for Barbados and other tax havens result in over 100 billion hidden away since the mid nineties, no doubt that has excelled since then.

    This has such an 'appearance' of earnestness that its rarely mentioned the out and out lie that the conservatives said in claiming that they would not touch income trusts.

  8. Fri Nov 03, 2006 5:49 am
    Don't be fooled by Harper he is a true Neo-Con. This move is going to drop the value of Canadian Companies by about 20% leaving them open to foreign(read American) control. What big companies does Canada have left? Look at Alberta, Suncor and Canadian Oil Sands happen to be Income Trusts to name two. Yesterday we saw a little more of Canada get sold. Of course the Income Trust loop hole should have been closed before any of this was even possible(the Americans and Aussis put a stop to it years ago) and we can thank the Liberals for that. I really wonder if have enough "Canada" to even fight for...

  9. by RPW
    Fri Nov 03, 2006 6:38 am
    So if Australia plugged the hole on income trusts about 20 years ago and effectively killed them off down there, how come Canada brought in income trusts only a few years ago, and left such a hole.......?

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  10. Fri Nov 03, 2006 7:10 am
    These companies got all the benefits of the tax breaks and loopholes "before" becoming Trust companies. They attempted to bypass paying the little tax's (on profits) they owed. They have just been told, they have to pay their share and without the benefits. Some think it's unfair. Martin also had an alternative with his shipping company, to avoid tax's. We as tax payers should benefit by loopholes as well. Maybe we can avoid paying the tax's that make up for the corporations tax breaks.

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  11. Fri Nov 03, 2006 9:34 am
    I think they left the hole to make Canadian companies open to take over... this is assuming the Liberals are backstabbers instead of just stupid.

  12. by RPW
    Fri Nov 03, 2006 4:28 pm
    I have to agree with this. The <b><u>record</u></b> demonstrates that Canada's two main parties have <b><u>done</u></b> little to stop the virtual annexation of the country to the U.S. (except for the individual members arranging their portfolios to take advantage of share price increases) <p>---<br>"Son, if you wanna get ahead in this world, never work for another man as long as you live."

  13. by RPW
    Fri Nov 03, 2006 4:34 pm
    Pot Calling the Kettle Black:<br />
    <a href="http://www.cbc.ca/story/canada/national/2006/11/02/trust-harper.html">http://www.cbc.ca/story/canada/national/2006/11/02/trust-harper.html</a><p>---<br>"Son, if you wanna get ahead in this world, never work for another man as long as you live."

  14. Fri Nov 03, 2006 5:24 pm
    <a href="http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-7373201783240489827&q=education+illuminati&hl=en">http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-7373201783240489827&q=education+illuminati&hl=en</a><p>---<br>Diogenes said:<br />
    "I am Diogenes the Dog. I nuzzle the kind, bark at the greedy and bite scoundrels."



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