Here's An Eye-Opener

"Terrorists" are almost always just freedom fighters. The global corporatists want to eliminate humanity's right to self-determination so people have no alternative to accepting their oppression quietly.

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Michael

"Terrorists" are almost always just freedom fighters. The global corporatists want to eliminate humanity's right to self-determination so people have no alternative to accepting their oppression quietly.

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Michael

However, to my knowledge, "western" freedom fighters have never been suicidal. In the early 1770's, the American freedom fighters were not, during the French Revolution(s) there were no suicides, in Ireland they were not suicidal, and so on and so forth. So there must be something cultural or societal or religious about this phenomenon.

I believe that the "prospect of martyrdom" cannot be ignored out of hand.

Yup "western"<br />
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<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kamikaze">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kamikaze</a><p>---<br>We have met the enemy and he is us<br />
Pogo<br />
A mind is a fire to be kindled, not a vessel to be filled.<br />
Plutarch

I have to disagree. There is nothing more "western" in my opinion than our culturally reinforced image of the lone male (or small group of "outsiders") taking on various power structures which he deems to be "evil-doers" for whatever reasoning, against all odds in what must surely be a suicidal mission, where the end often justifies the means. The only real difference is that in real life, our hero rarely survives. One man's terrorist is another's freedom fighter.

Ok, you are freaking me out Dio, I read the post, went to find a link to Kamikaze, came back to post this, and you have it....are the activists beginning to think on the same wave energy???? I sure hope so.... I was thinking this is nothing new aka WWII<br />
So here's a bit more info...<br />
Kamikaze (Japanese: &#31070;&#39080;; kami = god, spirit; kaze = wind) is a word of Japanese origin, which in the English language usually refers to suicide attacks carried out by Imperial Japan's military aviators against Allied ships towards the end of the Pacific campaign of World War II, by crashing their planes into warships to stop and block the advancement of Allied shipping towards the Japanese archipelago.<br />
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Air attacks were the predominant and best-known aspect of a wider use of—or plans for—suicide attacks by Japanese personnel, including soldiers carrying explosives, and boat crews <br />
<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kamikaze">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kamikaze</a><p>---<br>If I stand for my country today...will my country be here to stand for me tomorrow?

Good points

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We have met the enemy and he is us
Pogo
A mind is a fire to be kindled, not a vessel to be filled.
Plutarch

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We have met the enemy and he is us
Pogo
A mind is a fire to be kindled, not a vessel to be filled.
Plutarch

However, to my knowledge, "western" freedom fighters have never been suicidal.<<

The honor to die for ones country? Even the Japanese pilots (kamikaze) considered it an honor. One is considered a terrorist by the Americans if one cam't afford spiffy uniforms and modern armament.

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Expect little from life and get more from it.

And running at a Bradley fighting vehicle armed with an AK-47 or standing in an open field shooting at an Apache helicopter is also suicide.

As for the article - this has been known for some time. Some (read the supporters of the Iraq war) disavow the obvious because it does not fit their narrow view of the world. It also does not fit their version of history or allow them to continue to spoon-feed like minded idiots propaganda pablum.

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If there was ever a time for Canadians to become pushy - now is the time - for time is running out on this nation called Canada.

Sweeping generalization:
Depends on what you believe your "reward" will be. Suicide bombers believe they are going to heaven as good warriors. Freedom fighters in the west (regardless of what they profess) believe the rewards happen in this life, and not in the next. So they are loathe to leave this life.

But it's all about rewards and expectations, either on this plane or the next..........

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"Son, if you wanna get ahead in this world, never work for another man as long as you live."

So then, if one man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter, what was Timothy McVeigh?

Warlock

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"The consequence of YOUR freedom of speech, is MY freedom of speech"-Warlock

"Freedom fighters in the west (regardless of what they profess) believe the rewards happen in this life, and not in the next. So they are loathe to leave this life."

Hmmm. Its not about west or east, this life or the next, but it IS about rewards. Things arent bad enough in the west yet to even begin to have what would be called freedom fighters. When the rewards of actually fighting back become greater than losing what they already have, then the tide will turn.

"And running at a Bradley fighting vehicle armed with an AK-47 or standing in an open field shooting at an Apache helicopter is also suicide."

Here again, it is about rewards. Freedom fighters (and funnily enough our own military) dont mind laying it down for their cause or country, but they want to be sure that they get the "biggest bang for the buck", as it were. Thats why most of them dont do silly stuff like that (except in Hollywood), but utilize technology, methods and opportunities to maximize their effect.

This is a good question. I suppose in a perverse way Timothy McVeigh saw himself as an anti-government freedom fighter. He had been a soldier in the Gulf War earning a Bronze Star. He has been a Registered Republican and a member of the National Rifle Association during a period when a Democrat was President. He claimed he was punishing the United States Government for what he saw as government crimes at Waco and Ruby Ridge.

Bill Clinton argues that his extremism was fueled by right wing extremist rhetoric in the media.

Some on the right argue that was actually an Islamic agent used by the Democrats to blow up the building as an excuse to crack down on the right wing.

The more things change, the more things stay the same!!!!