Census Collection Called A 'screw-Up'

Posted on Monday, July 31 at 13:49 by rearguard
"It was such a screw-up from the beginning," said Brian Horgan, who worked as a census enumerator before calling it quits last Friday. "It's so disorganized -- it's embarrassing, actually."

To date, more than 300,000 census forms remain outstanding in B.C. -- a figure significantly higher than the number not returned in 2001, said Jerry Page, western regional director for Statistics Canada, said B.C.'s return rate on this latest round of census forms was among the lowest in the country.

That year, he said, "B.C. led the nation in terms of mailed response."

Page said the government had banked on a figure of 400,000 households left unreturned 10 days after the May 16 deadline, out of a total of 1.7 million. Instead, they found themselves short more than 800,000 forms.

The exact reason for the low return rate isn't clear, he said. But, "if there was a cause or something out there that was driving this, I would say there was an apathy."

Since May, Page said, the government has spent millions of dollars encouraging residents to return their forms through splashy media advertising campaigns, and hiring hundreds of door-to-door census enumerators.

"People should know this is costing them, the taxpayers, a lot of money to follow up," he said.

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Rearguard writes: Apathy? We've been everything BUT apathetic! No mention of the well known census protest which started way back in 2003. Either these people are out of touch with realty, or the propaganda machine is gearing up into targeting us apathetic and costly bums with painful fines to get us filling out the forms.

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  1. Mon Jul 31, 2006 10:48 pm
    Who is going to reply to him? Is he really that stupid that he doesn't suspect the reason is Lockheed-Martin?

    If you do, better do so with a secure anonymous email address.

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  2. by jk87
    Mon Jul 31, 2006 11:07 pm
    Oh yes, of course, the protestors seem to take themselves far more seriously than anyone else takes them. Why would only BC have this problem? Either there are tens of thousands more protestors in BC than in every other province(which means the rest of the country doesn't really care as much) or there really was a screw up with their organization.

    If 400 000 more people returned their forms since then, I guess those protestors caved really fast.

    The government says apathy, the enumerator says screw up, and protestors say it's because of them. When will someone actually provide evidence about why so many forms are unreturned?

  3. by avatar Milton
    Mon Jul 31, 2006 11:37 pm
    Why do you care, jk87?

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  4. by DL
    Tue Aug 01, 2006 12:38 am
    Good call Milton. I was just coming to the same conclusion. The distinct impression is of a specific, and as yet unspecified axe to grind. The old "no one is taking the protests seriously, yet I found my here to grind on, and on, and on...... because?

  5. Tue Aug 01, 2006 12:50 am
    "If 400 000 more people returned their forms since then, I guess those protestors caved really fast."

    Obviously coercion works really well, which is why it's used so often, but that does not make it right especially in a supposedly free and democratic country.

    I "cave" with income taxes each year, but that's only because as an individual I cannot hope to win through a personal battle with such a huge monster. Only through a concerted and well organized effort can we push back the beast. The cards always seem to be stacked up against us, but perhaps the tide will turn one day, so we keep on fighting as best we can. Through education and awareness, perhaps the situation can be changed. I'm optimistic about this.

    During the last census, we did not have anything organized at all, so I can see progress, thanks mostly to the internet, which fortunately for us small fry it brings us together unlike ever before, and potentially as more and more people come on-line, we may be able to form a large enough collaboration to effectively fight back in a big way.

    Just wondering given your responses you seem to be involved with StatsCan at some level. Do you work for StatsCan or something?

  6. by Deacon
    Tue Aug 01, 2006 1:11 am
    About 3 weeks ago an enumerator came to my door after I informed them that I did not receive a census form.

    3 minutes and 6 questions, maybe 7, I was done.

    Nothing vital was asked, and as such I gave them what they wanted.

    I assume I was asked the short form questions, a fact which suited me just fine.

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  7. Wed Aug 02, 2006 12:00 am
    "Nothing vital was asked, and as such I gave them what they wanted."

    This issue I've raised has nothing to do with what is being asked, the issue has to do with the government demanding that you bend to its will or else face punishment. To conduct a census, there's simply no valid reason for the government having to behave like tyrants, nor would it be legal if the Charter were adhered to.

    But as always, "Might is right".

  8. Wed Aug 02, 2006 3:19 pm
    Exactally right. As I tried to point out to a brainwashed poster the other day, the governemnt is supposed to be a representation of what the people want, not the reciprocal. They do not tell us what is good for us, we tell them what we want them to accomplish on our behalf, and they do it or lose their job.

    I lost count how many times I sent Cretien a pink slip. Harper better hurry up with some of those campaign promises, or I'll have a word with HR.

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  9. by avatar Jacob
    Wed Aug 02, 2006 3:49 pm
    1. It is understandable that the MSM (main stream media) do not wish to mention the words Lockheed-Martin. If they do, that would enlighten some people.

    2. But there's another issue: Canadians should realize that if Americans cannot count votes (as has been proven over and over), how would they be able to count census returns?

  10. Thu Aug 03, 2006 3:56 am
    Does anybody know how many census forms were not returned Canada-wide? And do you who organized the Lockheed-Martin protest have any sense of how many people supported the boycott? Or what consequences they are facing?

    I've pretty well decided that if the nice lady comes back (and actually catches me home), I'll ask for a paper form and write "Boycott Lockheed Martin" in the name field.

    If we do this another time, folks, we've got to be better organized and not leave the individual to twist in the wind.

  11. Thu Aug 03, 2006 7:59 pm
    sorry Eleanor, we were all too busy watching America's got Talent (the stripper finally lost last night, btw) and So You Think You Can Dance, to bother making up a sign and hitting the street.

    Baaaaah! GST is 6% now! Double-plus GUUUDDDEEE! Baaaaah!

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  12. Fri Aug 04, 2006 6:56 pm
    "It is understandable that the MSM (main stream media) do not wish to mention the words Lockheed-Martin. If they do, that would enlighten some people."

    The MSM would also loose significant advertising revenue from the deep pockets of the military establishment who own and control LM, furthermore whoever screwed up would be fired and blacklisted from ever again working for the MSM.

  13. Fri Aug 04, 2006 7:47 pm
    "If we do this another time, folks, we've got to be better organized and not leave the individual to twist in the wind." <br><br> Welcome to the world of decentralized and leaderless protesting, which despite the flaws as you've noticed, is probably going to be the biggest pain in the ass for the ruling establishment as has never been seen before. <br><br> Here's some reading material if you are interested in the subject: <br><br> <a href="http://www.why-war.com/features/read.php?id=4">Swarming and the Future of Protesting</a> <br><br> <a href="http://www.libertyforum.org/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=rr_main&Number=294175077&part=1#Post294175077">The Internet vs. the State</a> <br><br> <a href="http://baldi.diplomacy.edu/articles/protest.htm">The Internet for International Political and Social Protest: the case of Seattle</a> <br><br> As for your questions, I personally have no idea what the results of the protest are like - no one really knows except StatsCan, and they are understandably not talking. <br><br> However, we can infer a few things from the evidence and actions of StatsCan. <br><br> We know that a significant number of people have not responded with returned census form, because we know that the internet return system is still active (e.g., "It's not too late"), we know that StatsCan is still trying to hire people to collect unreturned census forms, and we've seen a few reports indicating that an unusually high number of people did not return their forms. <br><br> What is not known for certain, is if StatsCan's problems are due mostly to the protesting, or due mostly to other problems, such as disorganization, low pay among StatsCan employees, and difficulties with hiring enough employees to do the collections work. <br><br> I know that it's been very quiet on my end. During the previous census, I was verbally threatened with fines and/or jail time almost immediately, but this time around the threats have been very low key, and in the form of a couple mass mailed letters. We're already in August too, so for certain something has gone wrong at StatsCan's end, but exactly what is unknown at this time. <br><br> As for the consequences of not filling out a return, it would no doubt be impractical to take hundreds of thousands of people to court (such an action would only make future census taking even more difficult, as it's all too easy to simply lie on a form in protest which is far worse than not filling it out altogether), so exactly what will be done is unknown at this time. StatsCan claims that under 50 people refused to fill out their forms during the last census, however such a low number is hard to believe even without a protest going on. The claim is that these people were "refered to the justice dept", with only one or two actually being fined, and no one went to prison over it. <br><br> With potentially hundreds of thousands not returning their forms, such a thing is a huge disaster when compared to previous census's, esp. given StatsCan's claim that under 50 failed to return a form in 2001. <br><br> Too bad really, as the census should be a good thing for Canadians overall. Only StatsCan's insolence, and its virtually unlimited "green light" to probe into every facet of our lives no matter if we like it or not (given a mandatory requirement backed up by fines and prison time for refusal) are to blame. <br><br> IMO someone should be fired for the mess, and the Statistsics Act should be amended to make the census 100% voluntary. A voluntary census would guarantee limits to the questions asked, and would empower the people to tell StatsCan what it should ask or not and how it should process the collected data.

  14. Fri Aug 04, 2006 9:07 pm
    As to rearguard's info; it because of Vive's actions in 2004 that Statscan was so dilligent about the census and compliance this year.

    Some of us actually had the director of StatsCan phoning our homes and asking us to cease and decist. Of course, we didn't.

    If we had any kind of a budget, we'd do our own TV ads telling the Canadian public the truth.

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