Hamas Claims Victory In Palestinian Elections

Well based on the democratic electorial process that we live by here in the great western world, this should be great news. Now will Canada and the Canadian "government" support what they claim is the peoples way to a true democratic society? (Election and Voting)

Or do we feel that invading the country of Palestine and under the watchful eye of the Americam gun, install a government that best suit those who feel the need to control others?



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Good government is not a party government

So what do you advocate Wayne? Install another corrupt Arrafat type who need not be bothered by pesky elections. Maybe have the UN run Palestine until they grow up?

Are you comparing Palestine to Canada? lol. Have you ever been to the ME? Come on. Let's maybe hold off on indicting our democratic process, or the entire western world, for now. The reality is that even when they were very popular in Ireland, the IRA still had to produce the Sein Fenn to pursue any political aspirations. And only when Irish catholics abandoned and helped to dissarm the IRA, did they achieve any peace.

Like it or not, Israel is a UN-recognized nation. Hammas has been clear that thier goal is to destroy Israel via armed conflict. Read their charter. Then, find a comparable example of recent electoral success by any such group in the western world.

No my friend, I am asking if this suits those who believe in the democratic process. Like it or not, the Palestinian people have spoken.

I say stay to hell out of their business and fix our own dam mess, that is what I would like.

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Good government is not a party government

Well in that case I agree. Providing of course that "the hell out of their business" means cutting them off from the billions in western foreign aid.

Oh yeah....and of course, the realization that if they attempt to act out their clearly stated "business" of destroying a UN member nation - certain nations will join Israel in disrupting said "business".

No , I mean if we are going to respect other democracies, then we stay the course. You cannot hold some of the people to holding proper election as we call them and when the citizens have spoken, then tell them to go to hell.

If we are not going to fund one country because they are involved in a war like situation , then maybe we be wise to not fund or support all countries. Or am I to understand that democracies will be determine by the few once again.

I say get to hell out of the middle East, let the people find their own way as the Palestinian citizens have, they have held their election and have voted.. now it is time for them to move forward.

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<<I say get to hell out of the middle East, let the people find their own way as the Palestinian citizens have, they have held their election and have voted.. now it is time for them to move forward. >>

The only problem is that Palestenians keep inviting everyone into thier business by running to the UN with thier annual anti-Israel resolutions. Similarly they ask UN member nations for billions in subsidies that go un-accounted for. Moreover, after years of failed warfare, they now have a history of going directly to the US to ask them to broker "peace" - so that they can re-obtain territory lost in war. So if you suggest letting the Palestenians be, and getting out of the middle east, you might want to let them know first.

The question is...by electing Hammas, what is their forward plan? Until we know, I would say it is very appropriate to not fund their actions. This does not mean we can't continue to send aid money down the bottomless pits of failed states around the world. The provisio is that they don't openly elect a government that has as its stated goal, the destruction of another country/race.

DSR: I say cut off any funding to all countries in the middle East who are in a situation of rebuilding their society. That my friend includes all countries, even Iraq.

If there is any country right now in need of funding it is Africa and their war on hungar. Bullets kill, food provides life.



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Oh, so this is about Iraq. got it.

Africa isn't a country btw. But for the most part, I agree with your lumping that continent into one entity. Especailly when it comes to hunger. Billions in aid have done nothing, other than fund tyrants and supply "bullets" for thier despotic regimes. A dollar is a dollar. When you feed Mugabe's (formerly self-sufficent) people, it frees him up to pay for bullets. Another option would be for the international community to press him to stop starving his people with threat of force. Of course that would require balls, better to just leave them be. Maybe toss them some bread.

No it not about Iraq , it about minding our own business and looking after our own house. I find that those who would like to leave the impression they really care about the politics of other countries are really full of crap.

The most important thing that come out of a war for countries such as the United States is they get to sell and use war toys. Then again what te hell it good for their economy isn't it and that all that matters in their democracy.

Just stay to hell out of other countries business, address our own screwd up society.

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Unfortunately the world isn't that big anymore. What happens in the middle east can affect some newly-orphaned school kid in NY city.

<<Just stay to hell out of other countries business, address our own screwd up society>>

tell that to Bono.

Who cares about Bono? Go tell all those living in the streets of our beautiful and clean cities here in Canada. Have you ever drove through Hasting in Vancouver, just before the Vancouver downtown business area... man the poverty there! Tell that to our own Native People that live in conditions worse than that found in the third world... damn, it is cold here in winter! Tell all those parents that just cannot feed their children well because the money they should receive in welfare goes to pay the interests on our National Dept.

Bono can talk all he wants, I certainly don't give a damn about him or what he is trying to represent... he should use his position to help the Irish only! Looks like he is only trying to use his picture in the Times Magazine to sell more CD... well, if he cared so much about the world, why is he not giving all the cd sells profit to the third world...

We have to address our own problems and feed those living here first. To help the rest of the planet, at this point, is a luxury that we cannot afford.

Oh, and when you say that we should stop putting our nose in other countries affairs, I hope that also includes all the big coporations as well because they are the ones stealing the wealth away (even from Canada).

BROVO RAYB : It is time we cleaned up our own country and when we fix it then we can look else where.

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lol. I agree with you there. Bono is an ass. So is the rest of the globetrotting international millionaire entertainment class, advocating the confiscation of our money to send to despotic regimes.

As far as us pursuing an isolationist policy until Canada is a futuristic utopia, you may have a point. We can start with pulling out of the corrupt UN, and the misguided Kyoto Agreement. We might have to take responsibility for defending our sovereignty (esp in the north) but I think Harper is working on that.

>>What happens in the middle east can affect some newly-orphaned school kid in NY city.<<

The Americans being in the middle east also has an effect on newly-orphaned kids in NY city. They decided that the mid east was their business "before" and after 911. Deciding anothers fate will also decide your own.