Tories Blast Dion Over Water Claims

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It is time to educate the member<p>---<br>"When I tell the truth, it is not for the sake of convincing those who do not know it, but for the sake of defending those that do."<br />
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http://www.schillerinstitute.org/econom ... tml#nawapa This map of the 1960s "North American Water and Power Alliance" (NAWAPA) shows the continental scale of the needed water supply improvements in North America, and also makes the point on how behind and backward the economies of the United States, Canada, and Mexico have needlessly become under 30 years of anti-development "free market" policies. For three decades, while the amount of money poured into mergers, speculation, and the "markets" rose, investment in infrastructure, industry, and agriculture slowed down to nothing.\ http://www.pegmusic.com/nawapa-proj.html The NAWAPA Project shown here, was drawn up by the Pasadena, Calif.-based firm of Ralph M. Parsons Co., and favorably reviewed by Congress in the 1960s for completion by the 1990s, but it was never begun. The idea is to divert southward some 15% of the MacKenzie River (northern Canada) runoff now going towards the Arctic, channelling it through the 500-mile Rocky Mountain trench, then along various routes, eventually reaching even Mexico. The broken lines show new, navigable canals. The principle--on a grander scale--is the same as that of the Tennessee Valley Authority of the 1930s, and the 1950s St. Lawrence Seaway, both shown on the map. NAWAPA could supply an additional 135 billion gallons of fresh water to the United States, Canada, and Mexico, plus power, and vast new areas of cultivation. It would involve thousands of skilled jobs to construct and operate. When you visualize overlays on this NAWAPA map, of expanded rail links, magnetically levitated routes, upgraded levees, and new power, water, and mass transit for cities, plus refurbished farm regions, you begin to see the vast overdue projects and potential at home in North America. http://www.canspiracy.8m.com/article5.htm http://www.achart.ca/publications/essays_resources.html Speaking before an 'Energy Resources' hearing of the United States Senate in May 1971, Brice O'Brian, President of the U.S. National Coal Association, said, ". . . our Government considers Canada our own for energy purposes." This was not the truculent statement of a naive and insensitive American industrialist. To the contrary, O'Brian was merely echoing the sentiments of President Nixon, US political opinion, and his fellow industrialists. The following month, in a statement on US energy needs, President Nixon himself said that one major solution to the crisis the country was facing lay in the importation of vast quantities of energy from Canada - that is, natural gas, oil, coal, hydro-power, and water. These energy forms, together with such commodities as minerals, coal, pulpwood products and the like, have come to be known as 'continental resources'. <p>---<br>"When I tell the truth, it is not for the sake of convincing those who do not know it, but for the sake of defending those that do."<br />
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William Blake<br />
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This Pierre character looks like the guy from "Mad" magazine - creepy to say the
least. Ever notice how these patsies resort to name callling (Looney Left,
Conspiracy Theorists) when confronted with legitimate issues and concerns? For
a politician, he is one terrible liar.

Your script is getting old Bud. If you're not going to discuss the issues like an
experienced, well educated and informed politician does, get the hell out of
Dodge already.

All their scripts are getting old.

"Looney left" "Rabid Right" "Foilers"

All these labels detract from the argument. Which is their point.

"If he has any evidence whatsoever that the government of Canada is negotiating a bulk-water agreement, I urge him to immediately produce that evidence."

Since the meetings, agendas, guest lists etc. are all SECRET, I'm going to have to call 'Non Sequitr'. We cannot produce evidence of what goes on inside Mr. Harper's secret meetings.

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The Liberals have just released their “plan” for the SPP with a link posted this morning on Garth Turners blog the PDF may be found here<br />
<a href="http://www.liberal.ca/pdf/docs/SPP_ENG.pdf">http://www.liberal.ca/pdf/docs/SPP_ENG.pdf</a><br />
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Basically a expansion upon Dion’s speech the other day it includes this bit………<br />
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Prime Minister Harper must urge our SPP partners to adopt a transparent and accountable approach which includes:<br />
(a) disclosing the complete listing of SPP working groups, their contact persons and participating membership, (b)<br />
requiring quarterly public disclosure of their discussions underway, (c) requiring them to provide opportunities for<br />
public input, and (d) the government must bring this issue back to Standing Committee on International Trade for full<br />
examination and study. Those items that impact on the environment, or health, or agriculture should be examined<br />
and studied by the relevant committees as well.<br />
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The Conservatives have embraced secrecy as a government ethic. Following weeks of controversy over their<br />
contradictory and dishonest statements concerning the handling of detainees in Afghanistan, the Department of<br />
National Defence implemented a blanket policy to ignore its obligations under the Access to Information Act. We now<br />
know that the Conservative government routinely wrongly invokes “national security” as the basis for barring public<br />
access to information that may embarrass the government.<br />
The Harper government attempted to shut down the hearings of the House of Commons Standing Committee on<br />
International Trade, which was examining the SPP negotiations. This is why we call on the government to bring this<br />
issue back to the Parliament. The secrecy ethic that both the Bush administration and the Harper government have<br />
adopted surrounding the SPP must end immediately.<br />
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<p>---<br>When you are up to your ass in alligators it is difficult to remember that the initial objective was to drain the swamp

>>Americans, because they have access to NAFTA and all that it guarantees, have superior rights to Canada’s water than do Canadians. Proportional use, no price discrimination, no disruption of “normal channels of supply” and, of course, the protection of Chapter 11 (compensation for profits lost).<br />
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Whether you love or hate the NAFTA is not the point. Whether you think water exports are worth exploring or should be banned is not the point. The point is sovereignty.<<<br />
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<a href="http://www.farmertofarmer.ca/art.COG.Water.NAFTA.pdf">http://www.farmertofarmer.ca/art.COG.Water.NAFTA.pdf</a><br />
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Canada and Canadians subsidize the U.S. not only in water but oil, natural gas and hydro electricity. Ontario is suffering a lack of hydro electricity not because it does not have enough for its self but because it is selling so much to the U.S. that it lacks sufficient supplies for its own people and they sell it at the same price it sells it to Canadians because of NAFTA.<br />
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Water is already a good of trade. BC sells bulk, non-Treaty water out of the Columbia to the US every year as part of a long-term contract entered into over a decade ago.<br />
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PM Harper has already shown and proven he is willing and able to give into American demands. The U.S. Government has already shown that it will retaliate against Canada and Canadians until we cave or renegotiate the trade agreements in their favour.<p>---<br>Perception is two thirds of what we perceive reality to be.<br />
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Difficult decisions are a privilege of rank.<br />

Yes, we posted the Liberal plan/document to Vive on Aug 17. See: <a href="http://www.vivelecanada.ca/article.php/20070817112846684">http://www.vivelecanada.ca/article.php/20070817112846684</a><p>---<br>Once it was decided that Canada was to be a branch-plant society of American capitalism, the issue of Canadian nationalism had been settled.--George Grant

Thanks Susan, seems I even commented upon it, us old farts sometimes forget where we have gone and what we have done.
Out here we call it "sometimers". LOL

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When you are up to your ass in alligators it is difficult to remember that the initial objective was to drain the swamp