Harper Defends Israel's Right To "Defend" Itself

If I was a political cartoonist I would draw a picture of Harper and Bush standing side by side. A reporter would ask the question "Mr. Harper what are your views on the middle east crisis?" Harper would point to Bush and say "What he said."

Harper is a complete joke. I wouldn't expect a Canadian Government to outright condemn Israel but I would expect it to remain very neutral and say both sides need to end this.

Those 35% of Canadians who voted Conservatve are getting the cruel joke they deserve.

While I am concerned that it appears that we have the same views on this conflict as the bullies on the block, I appreciate that we have expressed views. Your suggestion that we remain neutral perpetuates the struggle and the loss of life. Neutrality never reaches for a solution and is ALWAYS complicit with the aggressor.

Yes it was quite pathetic, CBC last night showed Bush, saying, 'Israel has the right to defend itself', then cut to Harper 2 minutes later, who parroted, 'Israel has the right to defend itself'.

Apparently this all started after Israel abducted a doctor from Gaza with no explanation. Now they are bombing an entire country into the stone age because of a minscule raid across the border.

How much of this has been orchestrated by the Mossad? Israel, of course, would love to kill every Arab, from Iran to Egypt, and take their lands with glee. Now they are getting the justification? How many of the rockets fired at Haifa, which Hezbolla denies they fired, (and why, at this point, would they bother denying ANYTHING?) were fired by covert units of the Israeli army, to give them further justification? The rockets appear pretty much harmless, causing 1 or 2 deaths a day, but their terror impact is staggering, giving Israel all the justification it needs to pave Lebanon over and turn it into an Israeli strip-mall.

The hottest places in Hell are reserved for those who in time of moral crisis preserve their neutrality.

Actually, I am not suggesting the Canadian Government actually be neutral, what I am suggesting is what I would expect them to say. I guess I am basing my expectations on past Liberal responses to such crisis.

I would hope, but not expect, a Canadian Government to condemn the actions of the Israeli Government. I don't even think the NDP if in power would do this.

"How much of this has been orchestrated by the Mossad? "

Yea, you lost me after that.

"How many of the rockets fired at Haifa... were fired by covert units of the Israeli army"

Excluding the appeal from authority; see Jeff's post yesterday - "yes, I was shooting at my neighbour, but I'm a bad shot . . so it's not illegal"

I infer then, that the soldiers grabbed yesterday were by the Mossad branch of Hezbolla?

"The rockets appear pretty much harmless, causing 1 or 2 deaths a day"

Well, unless you're the parents of those 1 or 2 children . . . But, they're 'Zionist agressors', so it's OK.

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"I think it's important to always carry enough technology to restart civilization, should it be necessary." Mark Tilden

self defence is one thing. picture two men standing in a back alley face to
face. their families have had a dispute for ancient eons....no one can quite
figure out all the sordid details, but it is known that the city granted a house
on a two acre plot of land on another guy's (guy 2) land. It's guy 1's family
land so guy 2's family could have a place to stay. the land was expropriated
by the city.

this enraged guy 1's familly. the two families fought and many injustices were
incurred by both families. a lot of the kids from both families didn't agree
with their dad's positions, but dad ran the household and there were enough
uncles, aunts , off spring etc. to support dad in contrary to the children who
didn't believe in their father's ways. guy 2 didn't like guy 1's family being on
parts of his newly granted land and treated them poorly and tried to give
them the boot.

some neighbours ( guy 3 )didn't like what they were seeing, especially
because guy 1 had been granted some land back but guy 2 has lots of money
so sent in big ammo to kill some of guy 1's family. guy 3 remembered how
many times guy 2 had bugged his family.

so guy 3 kidnaps one of guy 2's grown up supporters. guy 2 is enraged so
hits guy 3 . the majority of guy 1's family says it's self defence and the
neighbours agree. then guy 2 hits and kills some of guy 3's family, still
claiming self defence.

far away neighbours who like guy 2 because he's rich and does a lot of
business with them get peeved because they don't like guy 2's family
members being kidnapped. they say it's guy 2's right to act in self defence.

question: how would this scenario play down in a court of law? self-defence?
i don't think so.

“CBC last night showed Bush, saying, 'Israel has the right to defend itself', then cut to Harper 2 minutes later, who parroted, 'Israel has the right to defend itself'.”

Um, yeah…are you stating they don’t have that right? Just about every leader in the West has made this statement. So have their predecessors.

”Apparently this all started after Israel abducted a doctor from Gaza with no explanation.“

What? All of what started? For a year, since giving up the Strip, Israel has been getting shelled every day. Think that was a factor, along with the abductions of soldiers?

”Israel, of course, would love to kill every Arab, from Iran to Egypt, and take their lands with glee. “

Right - those 6 million Jews, total war mongers by the way, want nothing more than to eliminate the 350 million Arabs that surround them. Are you insane?

“The rockets appear pretty much harmless, causing 1 or 2 deaths a day”

Yeah, what are one or two deaths a day? I mean you’re sitting at home, eating lunch, and a rocket kills your 40-year old wife. What’s the big deal? No big deal – they were fired by Israelis, on Israelis, as a pretext to war, right? Just like Bush and 9/11!

That's funny, according to Dante, the ninth circle, the deepest part of Hell was reserved for TRAITORS... like people who sign (without debate or mandate) soveriegnty destroying investment treaties and march lockstep with fascists.<br />
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What is treachery?

As one man's ceiling is another man's floor, so too can one man's TRAITOR be another man's patriot.

Yes, I'm sure I did lose you, as most of the world is pretty oblivious to just how many pies the Mossad has their fingers in. The manipulation of world politics by intelligence agencies is not a new concept.

"By way of deception, we shall make war' is their motto, and they have been doing so, the world's most elite and skilled spy agency, since their inception.

I do not know how 100 rockets could be launched at Haifa without Hezbolla knowing about it or refusing to acknowledge it. They are being attacked anyway, and claiming responsibility for a counter-attack would be something I woudl think they would want to do, but understanding the minds within a terrorist organization is something I shall never profess to know.

I am just very puzzled by how 100 rockets could end up on a major Israeli city and nobody wants to claim responsibility.

So I keep my mind open. Unlike you. Hezbola and the Mossad are both terrorist organizations, both are equally evil in my eyes, and both are waging covert deceptive warfare on each other.

Touche'

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The world is a dangerous place, not because of those who do evil, but because of those who look on and do nothing.... : Albert Einstein

Selling off your nation makes you a patriot? What's the math on that?

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If there was ever a time for Canadians to become pushy - now is the time - for time is running out on this nation called Canada.

I agree with some of what you are saying. This escalation has been planned for some time now. It's all part of the neocons 'clean break' strategy. The second part is now being put into motion. Iraq was first, now Lebanon and Syria, and if Iran enacts its treaty with Syria, then Iran too.

This could spiral out of control real quick. Israel has a right to protect its borders just as any other country does. But it does not have the right to bomb civilian infrastructure for any reason. They are purposely, not accidentally, destroying Lebanese and Palestinian civilian infrastructure. The Nuremberg findings are very clear in this regard. So bombing Hezbollah positions at this point would be completely justified, but they have way overstepped that threshold.

Then there is Harper and his conservative government swimming against world-wide opinion just to gain brownie points with the sinking empire.

We are the 21st century version of 1930's Austria. And if we the people don't take action, we will lose what we hold dear.

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If there was ever a time for Canadians to become pushy - now is the time - for time is running out on this nation called Canada.