Stop Putting Relations With The U.S. Ahead Of Human Rights

"Omar Khadr is a victim of the U.S. military justice system run amok"

From the first sentence, they demonstrate they don't get it.

Omar Kadr attacked a soldier of an ally nation in a forgein country with a hand grenade, and killed that soldier. Whatever you think of the US, it is still illegal for a Canadian citizen to do that. It is against the Genva Conventions to do that, while not wearing a uniform.

Now, I believe since the US congress Fscked up and failed to designate him '*unlawful* enemy combatant' and he gets off on a technicality, he should be returned to Canada and prosecuted for his role in killing that soldier.

No kid gloves, no sympathy for the poor repressed "child" - it was an adult act, and has adult concequences.

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“Omar Kadr attacked a soldier of an ally nation in a forgein country with a hand grenade, and killed that soldier.” <br />
Yes quite true <br />
But where is the greater crime, in a falsified war to which the so called allies send off their own to be slaughtered?<br />
My righteousness is not so selective as to choose the perceived lesser evil <br />
The totality of this crap is we are being lied to and many lives are snuffed out as the result, none lesser that the other <br />
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Stop using DU Carpet bombs and the IMF world bank to fuck people over and maybe the tearists will have no reason to play their part<br />
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Can you see the relevance to this bit of wisdom as it is applied to war?<br />
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Once upon a time a famous pirat prisoner was brought in front of Alexander the Great. Alexander asked him:’Why do you infest the seas with so much audacity and freedom?’. The pirat answered:’ For the same reason because you infest the earth; but becasue i do it with a little nship, i’m called pirat; because you do it with a big fleet you’re called emperor’”.<br />
De Civitate Dei, Augustine of Hippo<br />
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WAR IS A RACKET<br />
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by Two-Time Congressional Medal of Honor Recipient:<br />
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Major General Smedley D. Butler, USMC <br />
About the Author<br />
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Chapter One<br />
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WAR IS A RACKET<br />
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WAR is a racket. It always has been.<br />
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It is possibly the oldest, easily the most profitable, surely the most vicious. It is the only one international in scope. It is the only one in which the profits are reckoned in dollars and the losses in lives.<br />
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Those who speak in an ordinary manner do not grasp Higher Knowledge.<br />
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Lao-tzu, Orie

"But where is the greater crime, in a falsified war to which the so called allies send off their own to be slaughtered?"

It's two different issues here. Whether the war is justified or not, Mr. Kahdr was under no threat from (US, German, Dutch . . .) soldiers while he was in Canada.

He chose to leave the country of his citizenship to fight for forces in another country against NATO (including Canadian and allied) soldiers. That is the definition of 'mercenary' and as such is not entitled to protection under the Genva Conventions. Killing of an allied soldier is also against Canadian law, for Canadian citizens.

He is subject to procecution under our own laws. The crime being committed is the abuse of Canadian Citizenship. He seems to be a citizen of convenience, like his brother who is paralyzed because he was also fighting against NATO forces who could shoot better than him.

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there is only the one issue out of which the issues arise
a chain of event that would have you and i take up sides in the rich mans doing
Ain't for By Doc.
I see the greater crime the way I explained it it
Is accountability only for those who allow themselves to be pawn/
if that is the case, and by all accounts it is then kill em all God knows his will have to do


and more's the pity


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"Those who understand Higher Wisdom do not speak in an ordinary manner.
Those who speak in an ordinary manner do not grasp Higher Knowledge.


Lao-tzu, Orie

I agree, there are larger crimes afoot that we need to be concerned with. But in the context of this article; to say that this 'child' is a 'victim' denies his very adult crimes, and that Mr. Kahdars victim left behind young children of his own.

I guess it's that I see the same trend in our society, where teens can beat other teens to death on purpose and with intent and get 6 months on the family couch playing X-Box (house arrest). Personal accountability is what we are lacking, and to play Mr. Kahdar in the roll as 'victim' just lends credence to that trend.

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When you put it in the larger context i start to see it differently.
nCommunicating via type is most difficult, especially when there are so many topics to try and remember responses to.
I have a mind set (rigthly or wrongly ) about your military outlook and answer from that positon... untill you further inform me of your views, as you have done here
Perhaps that is the problem those of us who are quick of the mark with each other have as well.
I have always been held accountablefor my actions
and been held accountable for action not taken as well
then there are the false accusations.
any way thanks for the addition info





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"Those who understand Higher Wisdom do not speak in an ordinary manner.
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Lao-tzu, Orie

It's all good man. I enjoy discussions with you.

"I have a mind set (rigthly or wrongly ) about your military outlook and answer from that positon... untill you further inform me of your views, as you have done here"

Many do make assumptions about me because of things I've revealed about myself. But I have to constantally remind people that because I don't enumerate what I am 'for', does not mean I am 'against' it.

When I served overseas, I ran into the same kind of thing. Canadian Bosnians, Serbs or Croats who had gone back to the 'motherland' to fight NATO forces, or each other. Some of the most nutorious were raising funds to pay for that fight, here in Canada. Micheal Yurkovic, Mark Belinic and Gojko Susak to name but a few.

We lost a few soldiers over there, but none to enemy fire. Car accidents, land mines, suicide after the mission - that sort of thing.

That the mass murder that occurrred over there was funded for in part by Canadians is horrific to to me, but the thought of a Canadian citizen shooting at a Canadian soldier overseas just boils my blood.

Most of the Kadhar faimily I find reprehensible, but they are entitled to their opinions and even to plot the downfall of Canada while enjoying her comforts. But this Khadar family and all like them, if they want the comforts, must also accept the responsibilities. If they feel the need to go over there and die for what they think is right, I can respect that. But renounce your Canadian citizenship before you take up arms against her.

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OK
I get that
I saw a Sihk blathering on about a guy that did his full time for a crime about going back where he came fom I about spit up my coffee laughin at the ironybut thats another story for another day beside the PC police are on alert for my posts



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"Those who understand Higher Wisdom do not speak in an ordinary manner.
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Lao-tzu, Orie

"Personal accountability is what we are lacking"

Maybe the Government and Big Media should set the
example and take accountability for this huge mess
they have helped to create. If these organizations do not
feel accountable or responsible for all the crap out
there, how do you expect an individual to feel
accountable? Like it or not, these are the types of
citizens the system is creating.

I see the truth of what you are saying however Read the fullarticle Numbers game
thos are the people who are rarely if ever held accountable
Nor, and this is the pivotal issue can we NOT hold the wilful ignorant to accountability too?

Have you (the general you) not felt the frustrations by those of us who souns alarms and ignorance is our reward?


I cam be accused of many things , but not having a social consciousness ain't one of them


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"Those who understand Higher Wisdom do not speak in an ordinary manner.
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Lao-tzu, Orie

"Omar Kadr attacked a soldier of an ally nation in a forgein country with a hand grenade, and killed that soldier"

As if the "solder" had more rights to be there. Khadr was wounded. The building he was in was assaulted by air and by foot solders from a foreign country. They entered the building to finish the job. Khadr has roots in the country and under the influence of his belated father. The Americans are there to maintain their rule of the world. The USA believes any one who resists their dominance, has no rights. No one is crying for Khadr but for his rights and because of the indignity of a country who believes they have the right to do whatever they please. Do you not see the value in this?

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"As if the "solder" had more rights to be there."

UN Security Council resolutions say the soldier does. The Geneva Conventions and Canadian law says Mr. Kahdar does not.

"Khadr was wounded."

By his own hand grenade. And even after killing their Sgt., the US medics still patched him up and saved his life.

"The building he was in was assaulted by air and by foot solders from a foreign country. "

Khadar was a Canadian Citizen, born in Pakistan, fighting soldiers of a ally of Canada in Afghanistan.

"Khadr has roots in the country and under the influence of his belated father."

Third in the command chain of Al Queda.

"The Americans are there to maintain their rule of the world."

They are there to stop people in Afghanistan from training people to kill their civillians. So are we.

"The USA believes any one who resists their dominance, has no rights."

There always has been a portion of the US that has maintianed this attitude, I agree.

"No one is crying for Khadr but for his rights and because of the indignity of a country who believes they have the right to do whatever they please."

Kahadr has no right to take up arms against Canada or her allies, while maintaining a Canadian citizenship.

"Do you not see the value in this?"

I see value in defending the rights of all people who are "innocent until proven guilty". Alas, there is video evidence available on the internet that shows Mr. Kahdar is far from innocent. Not to mention my distain for those who openly advocate and plot the destruction of Canada.

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As an immigrant myself, 52 years ago, I have no sympathy for anybody who bring their "old country" idiocies and fights over here. This applies to anybody, for any reason. They should be kicked out and their citizenship revoked.

At the same time, in the good old days countries used to declare war on each other before beginning to fight. To the best of my recollection, the staff of the Japanese embassy were not jailed by the Americans after the undeclared attack on Pearl Harbour, but sent to Mexico and then made it home.

Although the USA still celebrates Dec.7 as the Day of Infamy, they have since then attacked dozens of countries without any declaration of war, including Afghanistan.

Now the question of the status of "illegal combatant" comes up? What is the definition? If Afgh. was attacked without any formal declaration, doesn't it make the US military illegal combatants?

As far this kid is concerned, I have no sympathy for him, or expect the Canadian government to do anything for him. At the same time, what made him an illegal combatant, under what definition, and why wasn't he either accepted as a POW, or charged and sentenced legally as a criminal, as civilized countries usually do?

I was 17 when I went to war to defend the country of my birth, but my unit was sent abroad and I fought, killed and was wounded in a foreign country, defending another foreign country. I had a uniform and a soldbook. Did they make me a "legal" combatant? We found our sister machinegun squad, with the exception of their sergeant, who ran away, and another kid who managed to escape, lying by the roadside with their throats cut by our "enemies".

So, what made them illegal combatants, deserving execution on the spot ?

In other words, wars are criminal actions and all politicians who send people to war to attack other countries, are criminals and should be charged as such.

Ed Deak.

"Now the question of the status of "illegal combatant" comes up? What is the definition? "<br />
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That's a murky subject. The US failed to define him (by their definition) 'Unlawful Enenmy Combatant' instead designating him 'Enemy Combatant'. Under the definitions of the Geneva Conventions, he would then fall under 'Mercenary' provisions.<br />
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Article 47.-Mercenaries<br />
1. A mercenary shall not have the right to be a combatant or a prisoner of war.<br />
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( c ) Is motivated to take part in the hostilities essentially by the desire for private gain and, in fact, is promised, by or on behalf of a Party to the conflict, material compensation substantially in excess of that promised or paid to combatants of similar ranks and functions in the armed forces of that Party;<br />
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( d ) Is neither a national of a Party to the conflict nor a resident of territory controlled by a Party to the conflict;<br />
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( e ) Is not a member of the armed forces of a Party to the conflict; and<br />
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( f ) Has not been sent by a State which is not a Party to the conflict on official duty as a member of its armed forces.<br />
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"If Afgh. was attacked without any formal declaration, doesn't it make the US military illegal combatants?"<br />
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No, there was a 'formal' declaration, allowing for the fact that the only country in the world that recognized the Taliban as the official government was Chechnya. So, there was no 'State of War' declared officiall. But there were UN Security council resolutions authorizing the use of force by NATO in Afghanistan.<br />
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<a href="http://www.un.org/docs/scres/2001/sc2001.htm">http://www.un.org/docs/scres/2001/sc2001.htm</a><br />
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"I had a uniform and a soldbook. Did they make me a "legal" combatant? "<br />
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Yes. That is what the Geneva Conventions defines as 'Soldier'. You had a uniform you wore regularally. You have ID that said who's Army you belonged to, and you had an insignia of Rank. That's the definition of 'Soldier'. 'Legal combatant' is more along the lines of Police Force, or organized civillians who are residents of the area of conflict.<br />
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