Well, the dunk hit the rim with a clang.
The headline declares “Tortured by Mistake,” with the deck: “The case of Maher Arar shows why the Bush administration's secret detention program is wrong.”
But why is it “wrong”? Mainly because the U.S. got caught and, in this case, a suspect has been proven innocent. The Post says nothing about the hundreds or thousands of others who have not yet had their day in court, and may have suffered similar treatment.
Consider the Post’s lead: “A couple of years ago, President Bush might well have counted Maher Arar as one of the success stories of the CIA's secret program for detaining and interrogating suspected terrorists. Mr. Arar, a Canadian citizen, was arrested at New York's John F. Kennedy International Airport in September 2002 because he was on a watchlist; Canadian police said they believed he had connections to al-Qaeda. Rather than being returned to Canada, Mr. Arar disappeared into the CIA's secret system -- he was transported to Syria and handed over to its military intelligence service. For several weeks, Mr. Arar was tortured by his Syrian captors, who beat him with an electric cable. Eventually he broke and confessed that he had trained at an al-Qaeda camp in Afghanistan.”
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Torture Is Always Bad -- Or Is It?
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Next thing they'll be doing is going after the "intelligentsia". In this case the word means anyone smart enough to see that the Bush/Cheney/Rumsfeld axis (and their lapdogs in other nations, ie: Harper and Blair) tries to lead us to believe is utter bullsh*t.
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"and the knowledge they fear is a weapon to be used against them"
"The Weapon" - Rush
my bad
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"and the knowledge they fear is a weapon to be used against them"
"The Weapon" - Rush
Warlock
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"The consequence of YOUR freedom of speech, is MY freedom of speech"-Warlock
Don't make me open 'the box' . . .
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"I think it's important to always carry enough technology to restart civilization, should it be necessary." Mark Tilden
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Member nations assumed the responsibility to take preventive measures to ensure that no one be allowed to engage in torture. Article 4 stated: "Each State shall in accordance with the provisions of this Declaration, take effective measures to prevent torture and other cruel, inhuman or degrading treatment or punishment from being practised within its jurisdiction." Previously, the UN had stated the principle on which member nations now committed themselves to act. Article 5 of the UN's 1948 Universal Declaration of Human Rights stated: "No one shall be subjected to torture or to cruel, inhuman or degrading treatment or punishment."<br />
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<a href="http://kspope.com/torvic/torture-abst.php">http://kspope.com/torvic/torture-abst.php</a><br />
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The US claim for special status undermines the very idea of the rule of law as a single, principled normative order to which all nations of the world are expected to be bound by as well it undermines the international effort to subject the use of force to the rule of law. For the United States to take this position is wrong since it, more than any other modern nation-state, has held it self out as committed to and constituted by the rule of law, which at present, is using this point of view as a defence to justify its present actions of the use of force around the world in what the U.S. calls the war on terror. If the United States of America is operating democratically, within internationally recognized legal standards and international law then the United States of America has nothing to fear from rule of law and justice for its actions will be up held, but, if the United States of America is inventing, re-inventing and redefining internationally recognized legal standards and laws for its own selfish purposes and protection then due process under the law is threatened along with individual freedoms and justice.<br />
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<p>---<br>Perception is two thirds of what we perceive reality to be.<br />
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Difficult decisions are a privilege of rank.<br />
How juvenile.
You need to clean your own house.
Warlock
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"The consequence of YOUR freedom of speech, is MY freedom of speech"-Warlock
United States Officials made that decision by themselves, it was their chose!
The United States Officials sent Maher Arar to Syria which he did not want to go to, he chose Canada not Syria to be deported to. Maher Arar stated that he would be tortured in Syria and asked for protection from this fact. The United States Officials sent Maher Arar anyway.
United States Officials made that decision, it was their chose!
Reportedly 100-150 individuals have been rendered from U.S. custody to a foreign country known to torture prisoners, including to Egypt, Syria, Saudi Arabia, Jordan and Pakistan.
Canada was not part of that chose nor were they responsible for what the United States of America chose to do!
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Perception is two thirds of what we perceive reality to be.
Difficult decisions are a privilege of rank.
Ok warlock, time for a history lesson.
Guess who got the Taliban freedom fighters in afghanistan funded, and ready to rock?
It was the United States, who thought that assisting the Taliban would be a good way to get a pro-western government into place then back in 1993-94.
The Taliban obviously didn't install a pro-western government, and took to running Afghanistan themselves.
So, in short, the US made the mess in the first place by assisting the Taliban in hopes of getting a pro-western (read as pro-American) governemnt into power.
Canada's mess?
In your dreams dumbass.
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"and the knowledge they fear is a weapon to be used against them"
"The Weapon" - Rush
Quite true,and I must add -You yours.
Are you indicating the usa administrations have clean hands?
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A mind is a fire to be kindled, not a vessel to be filled.
Plutarch
I want either less corruption or more chance to participate in it. – Ashleigh Br
Warlock
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"The consequence of YOUR freedom of speech, is MY freedom of speech"-Warlock
From Issue 256 of SOCIALIST REVIEW Published October 2001 Copyright © Socialist Review
"...From 1980 Bin Laden channelled US and Saudi money to the Mujahadeen. Part of his project was to spread Wahhabism among the Afghan Mujahadeen to undermine factions in Afghanistan that were hostile to Saudi and Western interests."
Now if Osama was a US and Saudi bagman back then, and was trained by them to do what he is alledged to have done, just who's fault is it really when it all comes down to it?.
I mean 911, Iraq, Afghanistan, the panic over dangerous fluids on airplanes, and of course the illegal aprehension of Maher Arar, tell me just WHO is really responsible for it all?
Canada? yeah...right.
Seems to me that he's just another discarded relic of the Cold War that refused to just vanish.
Or maybe he's still on BOTH their payrolls acting as a bogeyman intent on giving the US an excuse to wield it's ill gotten imperial power.
Don't torture yourself too much by thinking about it.
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"and the knowledge they fear is a weapon to be used against them"
"The Weapon" - Rush
Expect no apology.
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"and the knowledge they fear is a weapon to be used against them"
"The Weapon" - Rush
If torturing terroist associates, and terrorists for that matter, saves just one life, one innocent life, it is worth it.
The other thing that some of you cannot stand is your own mantra coming back to bite you.
Warlock
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"The consequence of YOUR freedom of speech, is MY freedom of speech"-Warlock