Muslim Group Wants Christian Leader Barred From Canada

In my opinion all these religious biggies are either borderline nutcases, or crooks, inciting hate and hysteria, stealing from the gullible. So, it stands to reason that if a Muslim fanatic was barred, so should the Christian, or any other version.

Ed Deak.

Basically agree.<br />
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However, in my mind, calling Islam "a very evil and a very wicked religion" isn't that bad. Here - I'll say it right now - Islam [can be a] very evil and a very wicked religion. That goes for pretty much all of 'em. I wouldn't have a problem with someone saying [insert any religion here] is a wicked, evil religion. Fine. Enjoy your opinion and the freedom to express it peacefully. That's how I roll.<br />
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There is, IMHO, a very real difference between calling a religion "wicked" and/or "evil" and calling for martyrdom and jihad, as Sheikh Riyadh ul-Haq does.<br />
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"Among the believers there are those who have proved their word and agreement with Allah and thus they have expired their lives, meaning they are martyred in the way of Allah. And the rest of the believers, they are waiting for martyrdom. They are waiting for shahada . We should follow in the footsteps of the sahaba [companions of the prophet]. We may be under siege at the moment but have hope." <br />
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Here is the audio for your listening pleasure - <a href="http://judeoscope.ca/IMG/mp3/shahada.mp3">http://judeoscope.ca/IMG/mp3/shahada.mp3</a><br />

Personally I am getting pretty sick and tired of people of one ethnic/political/religious stripe whining and complaining about how the opinions of someone not in their little social sphere are hurtful, hateful, insulting, or whatever else.

This is still a democracy where Free Speech is everyone's right.

Anyone who can't handle that essential truth should grow up and get a thicker skin.

As long as no one is advocating violence against anyone else, let them say whatever they want.



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"and the knowledge they fear is a weapon to be used against them"

"The Weapon" - Rush

Totally, totally agree. The “Cartoon Controversy” was the epitome of that sort of thing, as far as I’m concerned.

But when it is actually a call to arms, for example, then I think we've crossed a line.

OT – Picked up Signals on the weekend. Hadn’t heard it in a more than decade. Great album. Also grabbed Exit Stage Left while I was in the store. Hadn’t heard that in almost 20 years.

Before we start saying everyone is to blame and we all should grow up you have to look at the bigger picture. Sure everyone seems to tire of the plight of the palestinians which is the core of Arab violence in the middle east. The Israelis still stole thier land and the U.S. with all their so called justice vetoed any resolution calling for Israel to give it back. With justice not served the muslims do what any of us would when the process fails us. (CAIR CAIN) is just doing what the palestinians did with the U.N. in demanding fair and equal treatment. If they don't recieve what they are asking in a denial to the entrance of Graham we will once again be denying them justice. If we would treat Muslims with the same dignity as we treat the Christians then they could all get back to worshiping peacefully and leave one another alone. Canada (my country) I hope would fall into the justice category.

If the Muslims weren't pissed at the Jews, they'd be pissed at each other just as much.

Or haven't you ever heard of the doctirinal feud between the Suni's and the Shi'ites?

"fair and equal treatment"?

Let the Muslims, if "fair and equal treatment" is what they want, first lead by example.

So far, I see nothing even remotely approaching that.

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"and the knowledge they fear is a weapon to be used against them"

"The Weapon" - Rush

“The Israelis still stole thier land and the U.S. with all their so called justice vetoed any resolution calling for Israel to give it back”

Yeah, that would have been the 1947 UN Partition Plan approved by the UN General Assembly.

“With justice not served the muslims do what any of us would when the process fails us.”

Define justice please.

“If they don't recieve what they are asking in a denial to the entrance of Graham we will once again be denying them justice.”

Well, I guess it comes down to who is saying what. ul-Haq calls for Jihad. End of story. If Graham says comparable things, then yes, he should not be allowed in to Canada. But not just because CAIR-CAN asks for it. It must be warranted. I personally do not believe that calling a religion “wicked” is comparable. I don’t know the guy (Graham), but if that’s all he said then that’s weak. If there are other quotes, then let’s have a look at them. CAIR is just pissed that ul-Haq (rightfully) was not welcome here.

“If we would treat Muslims with the same dignity as we treat the Christians then they could all get back to worshiping peacefully and leave one another alone.”

I must have missed that portion of history. You know, the one where the peoples of the world worshipped peacefully and left one another alone?

It's just this type of attitude that starts problems in the first place. You can bitch all you want about how violent and warring muslims are but if you dispensed justice evenly even starting today ,eventually they would see that they're not being screwed over and accept peace. It is bigoted to say that muslims are incapable of peace since they live in parts of the world without incident. They have been given a raw deal throughout history and the formation of Israel was seen as theft. The more muslims we kill, hurt, or even slight, makes the wound deeper and peace even further away. They would have no excuse if we pulled out of their countries{Including Israel) and left them alone.<br />
And what I mean by justice is law being dispensed evenly by all parties. Like David Irving being persecuted for his veiws on the holocaust the muslims are persecuted for disagreement with the Zionists. The golden rule applies here. You know it, I know it, the muslims know it.<br />
(He who has the gold makes the rules)...<br />
<a href="http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-7182456859156849990&q=secret">http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-7182456859156849990&q=secret</a>

Malllus, I'm not the one advocating violence against other muslims over whose interpretation of the Koran is the "right one".

The dispute between Shi'ites and Suni is a documented fact that the Jews have no involvement is whatsoever.

If that glaringly obvious point is lost on you, the problem is your alone.


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"and the knowledge they fear is a weapon to be used against them"

"The Weapon" - Rush

The Sunni-Shi'ite problem is a different matter with roots that go way back. This is just what happens when you let a problem escalate with noone turning the other cheek and trying to rectify the problem. Violence begets violence. When you pander to one religious group and not the other you create a rift and an imbalance. The resulting frustration often leads to violence. Being treated as a lesser people will cause problems. This (Back of the bus) mentality will enhance problems and buying out of the situation can be more costly at the next crisis.

"The Sunni-Shi'ite problem is a different matter with roots that go way back."

Different matter, same results: people die.

Next argument please.

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"and the knowledge they fear is a weapon to be used against them"

"The Weapon" - Rush