How Bush Muddied Relations With Canada

Posted on Friday, October 21 at 15:09 by jensonj
Another result is that international trading relationships are disrupted, often in ways that affect broader relationships as well. People in this country don't pay enough attention, but there is no relationship in the world more important than the one with Canada. Right now it is a needless mess. On numerous occasions, the United States has failed to make a definitive case before international bodies that its protectionist lumber policies conform to the complex array of treaties that bind countries together. Most important, it has consistently failed to make a case to the dispute resolution mechanisms created under the North American Free Trade Agreement. Under the latest rejection of the US position by a NAFTA panel -- one that included a majority of American members -- the Bush administration was given a deadline of next week to begin complying. However, Bush may seek the delay and appeal routes. This dispute is a huge deal in Canada. To understand why, consider a trade mission that Canada's natural resources minister, John McCallum, undertook to China this week. According to reports from Beijing, his enthusiasm for pitching the country's oil and gas resources to China has increased in direct proportion to the seriousness of the lumber dispute with the United States. McCallum's comments suggest that Canada, thinking big and long-term, is less interested in tit-for-tat retaliation games with this country and more interested in thinking anew about its larger interests. They could and no doubt should include NAFTA, but if silly American unilateralism is going to undermine it, then Canada has other options in the world. http://www.boston.com/news/globe/editorial_opinion/oped/articles/2005/10/20/how_bush_muddied_relations_with_canada/ [Proofreader's note: this article was edited for spelling and typos on October 25, 2005]

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  1. Sat Oct 22, 2005 1:57 am
    The problem is the average person in America does not realize we are their largest trading partner. If we cut back sending lumber (or even oil and gas) maybe they would get the message, ie higher house prices, poorer quality wood.

    We helped keep the lights on in California a couple years back, yet BC Hydro has yet to be fully compensated.

    The only way to deal with a "bully" is to find other sources for our products.

    Tit for tat retaliation does not really do anything but create more headaches, finding other countries to purchase our goods is the direction we should be headed. We should not basically rely on one country for trade as is basically, the case now. We need to branch out. We can still trade with America if they chose to play by the rules if not we at the very least have other countries (China, India, Japan rest of asia) to sell our oil, lumber, wheat etc to.

  2. Sat Oct 22, 2005 2:19 am
    >>Tit for tat retaliation does not really do anything but create more headaches, finding other countries to purchase our goods is the direction we should be headed. We should not basically rely on one country for trade as is basically, the case now. We need to branch out. We can still trade with America if they chose to play by the rules if not we at the very least have other countries (China, India, Japan rest of asia) to sell our oil, lumber, wheat etc to.<<

    I agree.
    Canada has only put their eggs in one basket with the NAFTA deal. We can't retaliate but I'm sure Canada can find OTHER trade partners. That in itself would indicate to Americans that the price is not negotiable.

  3. Sat Oct 22, 2005 3:49 am
    Well, if we hurt them too much it would only take the USA about 3 months to whip up some good old hatred and war "with us or against us" mentality. They can bomb a few buildings and blame Canada, once every major network is always talking about how bad we are, it will be easy for them to justify thening send thier tanks over the border. lol...

  4. Sat Oct 22, 2005 12:55 pm
    And make no mistake, they would do it. If we turn off the flow of oil to their country, they'll be knocking on our door in no time. Time to fortify our borders. The U.S. only seems to have trouble with oil rich countries, that puts us on their hit list.

  5. Sat Oct 22, 2005 1:49 pm
    Let's not forget that the American's, our so called friends, had a Canadian invasion plan back in 1935 when they were suppose be non militarily or an aggressive nation as well as a plan to undermine the British Empire so as to further their interests..

    I don't think that they need a reason to attack Canada or a need to justify their wants, desires and interference. They already interfere in Canadian Politics, domestic and foreign. Just look at the gay rights issue and the money they threw at that up here to push their agenda and what they believe.


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  6. Sat Oct 22, 2005 4:40 pm
    That's why we need to have a nuclear deterrent. Love or hate nuclear energy, weapons are a different story and its the only language everyone understands.

  7. Sat Oct 22, 2005 5:25 pm
    >>That's why we need to have a nuclear deterrent. Love or hate nuclear energy, weapons are a different story and its the only language everyone understands<<

    That's kinda like the American mentality we loath. The neighbours got guns so we need them and we have guns so the neighbour needs them. Our nuclear weapons are bigger then yours. How about an Iron curtain. A "new" historical event to solve problems between neighbours.

  8. Sat Oct 22, 2005 6:20 pm
    The "Maple Curtain".


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  9. Sat Oct 22, 2005 7:01 pm
    Canada has the most to lose, and stands to gain the most over the next decades than any other country on earth. But the rest of the world isn't going to simply slide into resource wars and anarchy and let us lounge around basking in our plentiful resources. They're going to come and get it, it's up to us to decide on what terms we'll part with our resources and it's up to us to decide if we want to control how much we want to keep for ourselves.

    We won't have those choices simply by being nice guys. We have the technology to weaponize and the US has proven beyond a doubt that they are not morally above anybody, especially us.

    US foreign policy of late demonstrates beyond a shadow of a doubt: no nukes = no choice.

  10. Sat Oct 22, 2005 7:27 pm
    "The maple curtain" That breaks me up!
    It wouldn't even have to be very good because the Americans would build a big and better one. The civilian group protecting their borders now, would be contracted to walk the top.

  11. Sun Oct 23, 2005 11:08 am
    The Americans could walk in here and take over in
    about 5 minutes but I guarantee, they would have
    their own Palestine in their own back yard for the
    next hundred years/

  12. by gorian
    Sun Oct 23, 2005 5:42 pm
    Unless it became more like Tibet -- or even Hawaii.

  13. by avatar Jesse
    Sun Oct 23, 2005 6:35 pm
    Go watch "Canadian Bacon", right now. Nominally a comedy about exactly that scenario.

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  14. Mon Oct 24, 2005 12:51 am
    You don't know Canadians very well. We would negotiate most of Canada away and then all live on Prince Edward Island. Then claim victory without firing a shot. Why would they want 30 millions NDPers, besides most of the country is on the take or a have not entity. All they want is oil and gas and we are pleased to supply all they want at $61. a barrel. Neat and tidy.



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