Report Concludes Arar Tortured

Posted on Friday, October 28 at 09:22 by jensonj
Toope believes another Ottawa man, Abdullah Almalki, as well as truck driver Ahmad Abou El-Maati and geologist Muayyed Nureddin, both of Toronto, also suffered serious physical and psychological trauma. Arar, a Syrian-born Canadian, was detained at a New York airport in September 2002 on suspicion of being a member of Osama bin Laden's al-Qaida network. U.S. authorities subsequently deported Arar to Syria via Jordan. He denies any involvement in terrorism. After being released in 2003, Arar made detailed allegations about extensive interrogation, beatings and being whipped with electrical cable in grim Syrian prison cells. In early 2004, the federal government established an inquiry to determine the role Canadian officials played in Arar's case. Arar wants to know whether Canada is complicit in contracting out torture to a country known to use violent methods to extract information from prisoners. Toope, president of the Montreal-based Pierre Elliott Trudeau Foundation, conducted interviews with several people, including the four former prisoners, and studied classified government documents. The former dean of McGill University's law school was blunt in his findings about Arar's mistreatment. "I conclude that Mr. Maher Arar was subjected to torture in Syria," says the report. "The effects of that experience, and of consequent events and experiences in Canada, have been profoundly negative for Mr. Arar and his family." The report says Arar has experienced serious psychological effects and near-catastrophic financial woes. http://cnews.canoe.ca/CNEWS/Law/2005/04/01/pf-979497.html

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  1. Fri Oct 28, 2005 10:38 pm
    Canada would never be complicit in torture, would it? You mean good ol' hockey loving Canada might actually approve of having one of its citizens tortured? In a fine, peace loving country like Syria? Innocent, freedom loving Syria? If this were true, then it must be the fault of Canada's citizens. After all, they are the ones that voted for the government that is now in power, didn't they?

  2. Fri Oct 28, 2005 10:54 pm
    Interesting leap in logic. Canadian citizens must therefore also have forced him to leave Canadian Customs protected areas in New York, detained him at JFK airport, and deported him to Syria (in conflict with international law).

    And yes, we vote in Syrian elections all the time.

    Or, you could believe Canadian citizens knew nothing about this until reports of his being sent to Syria surfaced months later.


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    "If you must kill a man, it costs you nothing to be polite about it." Winston Churchill

  3. Fri Oct 28, 2005 11:13 pm
    Actually, I am being perfectly logical and I didn't leap to anything. Canadian citizens are quick to blame American citizens for the conduct of their government, so then, turnabout is fair play. Hopefully, this article is just the beginning and you will see what it feels like to 'take the heat', as it were.

  4. Fri Oct 28, 2005 11:23 pm
    Ahhh! It's just that you haven't been paying attention then!<br />
    <br />
    <a href="http://www.vivelecanada.ca/article.php?story=20031011200642301">http://www.vivelecanada.ca/article.php?story=20031011200642301</a><br />
    <br />
    We've been critisizing the government over this for a couple years now. But I still don't see what the actions of the Canadian, American and Syrian governments have to do with the average Canadian.<br />
    <br />
    <p>---<br>"If you must kill a man, it costs you nothing to be polite about it." Winston Churchill<br />

  5. Fri Oct 28, 2005 11:29 pm
    >>Canadian citizens are quick to blame American citizens for the conduct of their government<<
    Canadians didn't vote Bush in either. A lot of innocent people are suffering the after-effects of 911. American voters included. To what limit will democratic rights be destroyed by Bush in his fight to bring "his" democracy to the world? At what point will Americans decide the war against terrorism is turning them into terrorists? Arar was not kidnapped by terrorists, or was he?

  6. Fri Oct 28, 2005 11:50 pm
    If you are a Canadian citizen, you are responsible for this man's torture at the hands of the Syrian government. There is not enough soap in the world to wash your hands of it. If Americans are being turned into terrorists by the 'War
    on Terror', then Canadians are also terrorists, if their government was complicit in the torture of this man. Why? Because you hold Americans responsible for the actions of their government, so you must hold yourself up to the same standard.

  7. Sat Oct 29, 2005 3:08 am
    The Canadian Government did not deport Arar to the US nor any other foreign country. His troubles started in the USA.

    >Because you hold Americans responsible for the actions of their government, so you must hold yourself up to the same standard<
    We do and there is a likelyhood Martin won't be back. The difference is that Martin is not a known war monger and Americans knew that Bush was. What "standard" do Americans hold themselves up to?

  8. Sat Oct 29, 2005 5:48 pm
    Bush Jr. was not known as a war monger. You have him confused with Ronald Reagan, who was labled 'war monger' and 'sabre rattler' before he was even elected. Anyway, that is besides the point. The point is, we are not talking about our standards, we are talking about Canadian standards. Once again, you cannot hold us up to a particular standard, and then excuse yourself from that same standard.

  9. Sat Oct 29, 2005 6:26 pm
    >>Bush Jr. was not known as a war monger<

    You certainly don't get out much do you? There once as a country called Iraq! as the fable goes. You may have never heard about it nor the scam to convince American voters that it must be destroyed. Weapons of mass distruction you know. Once the dastardly deed was done the voters shouted "go Bush, go! and called upon him to continue. Then the voters realized that Bush won't be able to continue as leader forever and Iraq still stands while the voters sons die in the Bush effort. They, only then, decide maybe the Bush only wants to extend his power with war. Bush suspecting that not all will bow and pray to him, may have to get better control of "his" people and creates the "patriot Act". This act forms two purposes; stop outside influences to his country and to prevent democracy within.

    Yesterday the sham is shown to Americans while the rest of the world was aware of it all along. One will have to wait and see if the American people will appologize to all those they shunned.

  10. Sun Oct 30, 2005 5:50 am
    France, England, Germany, the U.N. plus other nations also said Iraq had WMD's. Even though it turned out that he either moved them or never had them in the first place, has nothing to do with the issue at hand. You just will not accept the fact that you are responsible for the conduct of your government. If your government, whether behind the scenes, or without your knowledge, or even against their publicly stated policies, condoned the use of torture, then as a Canadian citizen, you are as, or even more responsible than any American citizen, because you stated that Canadians have superior morality. You can attack me all you want, you can change the subject as you have done, but those who claim superior morality must first and foremost apply it to themselves and uphold that standard. Otherwise they can condenm no one.

  11. Sun Oct 30, 2005 7:14 am
    >>You can attack me all you want, you can change the subject as you have done, but those who claim superior morality must first and foremost apply it to themselves and uphold that standard. Otherwise they can condenm no one<

    It may simplify things if you explained to whom and about what you are responding to. Perhaps even if you can show the relevancy to the subject on hand:
    A Canadian citizen was deported by Americans to yet another foreign country and was tortured in that country. Canada did not react as fast as it should have, and the government henchmen held in contempt by the Canadian public for not doing so. The American henchmen have now agreed they would advise Canada sooner and in the same type of incident, return the suspect to Canada. Those American henchmen will still process anyone they hold suspect as "guilty".

    What personal attack have you endured? If you have suffered the indignity and pain like that of Arar, then this is not where you should be complaining to. If you are an American you could ask for 'refugee status" in Canada and likely get it. (Welcome to Canada) If an American, keep you voice down or you'll end up paying the ramifications of your own government.

  12. Mon Oct 31, 2005 6:57 am
    It would simplify things even more so, if you read the part of the article that contains the key word 'complicity' and then read the exchanges between myself and boflaade, because it seems like you also have the common Canadian trait of deflecting the issue.

  13. Mon Oct 31, 2005 3:02 pm
    >>Canadian trait of deflecting the issue.<<

    It depends on "who" created the issue. You are attempting to change the subject on hand. Arar was tortured not by Canadians nor Americans. Americans are to blame for sending him to where he was tortured. Canadians to blame, for not reacting to the man's plight. Canadians are bringing those irresponsible Canadians on the mats. Americans don't deny their part and in fact indifferant to it. Canadians ARE doing something about it. Americans couldn't care less.

  14. Mon Oct 31, 2005 4:11 pm
    I never said the man was not tortured. I said that YOU elected government officials that agreed with everything he experienced in Syria. I'm sure they also agreed with his being sent to Syria by the U.S. How can you condemn Americans for electing someone who you say is a 'terrorist', and then wash your hands of electing people who agree with the policies set by this so called 'terrorist'?



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