Harper's Plan To Skip AIDS Forum "Baffling"

Posted on Monday, June 26 at 08:38 by 4Canada
Liberal Leader Bill Graham said Mr. Harper's absence is a disappointment and a missed opportunity to send a message that Canada thinks fighting the disease is important. Even though Mr. Harper's office said he will not attend the August conference, two other federal cabinet ministers will be there to represent the government. Health Minister Tony Clement will participate, and International Co-operation Minister Josée Verner is the co-chair of the conference leadership committee. But Mr. Graham said Mr. Harper's absence will have a chilling effect because other leaders will be less likely to attend when the leader of the host country “isn't willing to turn up. http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20060623.wharper-aids24/BNStory/Front

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  1. Mon Jun 26, 2006 5:10 pm
    Virtually all the actions, body language and words of Mr.Harper show him as a lowbrow, brainwashed, religious ideologue and maniac.

    Which means that he is, and will be increasingly very popular with a large sedgment of the population. Like his idol Dubya Daaaa Bush.

    In their peanut sized brains, AIDS is the result of immoral actions and it is God's punishment for the participants' sins.

    Ed Deak.

  2. Mon Jun 26, 2006 6:51 pm
    Glad to see all you genius elitists with the massive craniums have been able to dissuade the peanut brained majority with your eloquent arguements. I love the rationale that when people don't agree with you it is because they are either brainwashed or stupid. Nice. Guess I'm both.

    Harper is missing an opportunity by not going to the conference despite sending 2 cabinet ministers. Though this is not a "gay" issue (more of an African one at this stage), Harper should make at least a face appearance at the kickoff if for no other reason than to get his face established with the international media since most of what he has been announcing and doing has been internal to date. He should try and establish more international credibility through the media. There is no downside to this for him (other than the obligitory protest put on outside the convention by the lefty cause du jour).

  3. Mon Jun 26, 2006 7:23 pm
    "...because they are either brainwashed or stupid. Nice. Guess I'm both"

    So tempting mikie
    Sp very tempting.

    anyroad...the term is brain dirtied and yes you are, as are we all ... to some degree and most of it is of our own doing or in the case of the knowing the words of the author outside of a narrow context,a deeper study than those who, like yourself see thing s only in opposites and dicotomies.

    as much as you slam the so called left you also cling to the so called right not thinking for you self but rather allowing your chossn poligods to do your thinking for you.

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    The world is a dangerous place, not because of those who do evil, but because of those who look on and do nothing.... : Albert Einstein

  4. Mon Jun 26, 2006 9:15 pm
    Your argument is hollow. I no more subscribe unthinkingly to any point of view in any way more than you. Just because someone does not agree with your arguement in no way diminishes their logic or in any way points to a lack of critical thinking on their part. On the contrary, I would say any person with opposite views to that of the majority users on any media and chooses to debate points with someone with the opposite belief on their home turf is exercising their ability to think independently in a much more direct fashion than a user who maintains the status quo by posting like thoughts to the talking heads. Debate sharpens critical thinking skills. Accusations of people being "pea brained", "useful idiots", "sheep" and the like only show how few independent thoughts you have yourself. There is a reason I come here rather than Small Dead Animals or Free Dominion... and that is for the debate rather than listening to the talking heads all agree with each other.

  5. by avatar Jacob
    Mon Jun 26, 2006 9:48 pm
    AIDS is a public health issue, and it is appropriate that the Minister of Health attends. That the Minister of International Co-Operation chairs, is also logical.

    I can see no compelling reason that the Prime Minister be there. He would add nothing to the debate anyway.

    It might be appropriate for the Governor General to attend.

  6. by RPW
    Tue Jun 27, 2006 3:56 am
    We all "know" AIDS is contagious. Why just think of how may people got AIDS just <b>watching</b> the Gay Pride Parade........<p>---<br>RickW<br />
    <br />
    "The purpose of economic competition is to eliminate competition"...." - John Kenneth Galbraith

  7. Tue Jun 27, 2006 3:56 am
    Let me see if I have this correct. One of your stated complaints is laying off accusation is some how dirty pool and shows a lack of independent thought, which is in context of your response to me reasonable and quite acceptable.
    What I must now question is, that being the case , Why have you chosen you opening salvo to be of the nature you claim to abhor?

    &#8220;Glad to see all you genius elitists with the massive craniums have been able to dissuade the peanut brained majority with your eloquent arguements. I love the rationale that when people don't agree with you it is because they are either brainwashed or stupid. Nice. Guess I'm both.&#8221;
    How is your rational (above) any different than that of those you attack?
    I fully expect you to defend your position(s) of at the very least see where reason has fallen by the wayside.
    You are for the most part articulate and certainly passionate of your stance, but you have chosen sides in a system that its self is corrupt and see *your* guys as some how *better* than the other guys when it is the game itself that is rigged.

    Perhaps now you will be more able to *see* that which you though to be hollow does have substance.


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    The world is a dangerous place, not because of those who do evil, but because of those who look on and do nothing.... : Albert Einstein

  8. Tue Jun 27, 2006 4:13 am
    Actually I don't find it baffling at all. It is completely in line with Conservative's ideology. Their history and language tells us there is no place for government to be involved in health issues, social issues or other matters that effect the public at large, the less fortunate or the critically ill should rely on the charity of their neighbors, and if they are deserving enough they will be taken care of, if not 'oh well' - this is an area for private sector. Private companies should handle these matters and government should deal with policing the people when they don't follow the moral values of the Conservative elite, and of course war/foreign affairs. Harper and co are not insensitive or uninterested, they are not too busy, they are simply handing over the issues that affect people to the people so they have time and resources to deal with trade issues, corporate takeovers, buyouts, you know the important stuff that empires are built on.

    The only thing baffling about this article is that anyone actually expects a Conservative PM to address AIDS, autism(another Canadian crisis which is at epidemic numbers) or any other illness that is affecting the population; unless it involves a corporate profit margin with something like forced vacinations, internment camps for the ill or something along those lines - something that sounds like protection but looks like a police state and involves construction, profits etc., loss of informed consent, is more along the lines of what we should expect, and then you'll see involvement. So no surprises here,imo.

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    If I stand for my country today...will my country be here to stand for me tomorrow?

  9. by RPW
    Tue Jun 27, 2006 6:16 am
    <blockquote> Their history and language tells us there is no place for government to be involved in health issues, social issues or other matters that effect the public at large.............they are simply handing over the issues that affect people to the people</blockquote> <blockquote>so they have time and resources to deal with trade issues, corporate takeovers, buyouts</blockquote> Wait a minute! If Conservative philosophy dictates that government has no business in the interests of the people, doesn't it follow then that it should not have any business in the interests of corporations? Doesn't that amount to corporate welfare, if in fact provding a social safety net for the citizens amounts to welfare? However does Mr, H. sleep nights with this apparent dichotomy and moral dilemma surely racing around his head?<p>---<br>RickW<br />
    <br />
    "The purpose of economic competition is to eliminate competition"...." - John Kenneth Galbraith

  10. Tue Jun 27, 2006 7:21 am
    <p>Rick,</p> <blockquote>If Conservative philosophy dictates that government has no business in the interests of the people, doesn’t it follow then that it should not have any business in the interests of corporations?</blockquote> <p>wouldn’t that depend upon whether corporations are persons or not?</p><p>---<br>Shatter your ideals upon the rock of Truth.<br />
    <br />
    — The Divine Symphony, by Inayat Khan<br />

  11. by Deacon
    Tue Jun 27, 2006 7:41 am
    Myself, I subscribe to the notion that AIDS is the result of the blatant immorality of some people.

    In my case, I suscribe to the notion that the immoral people responsible for it happen to be the people who came up with the idea of a retrovirus bioweapon in the first place.

    AIDS is no more the product of evolution than a marshmallow or a cup of coffee are.

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    "and the knowledge they fear is a weapon to be used against them"

    "The Weapon" - Rush



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