Poverty Kills !

The deceased had mental problems that this article is completely ignoring, it's a very big stretch to say that she was 'killed by government policy'. To argue that any government wants people to live in poverty is just silly, governments want taxpayers.

If they want taxpayers, then why are so many left behind ?

Surely you don't agree with the fact that a person living on $520 a month has the resources to network, upgrade their education (which is what the "deceased" was trying to do), and even dress properly for a job interview.

No, if the government wants taxpayers, this is not the way to get them.


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"Arrogance in Politics is unacceptable"
Jim Callaghan
Minden, Ontario
705-286-1860
www.misterc.ca

But some people do choose poverty. Some people make lousy choices and pay for it economically. Is a person's poor choices the government's fault? When do we stop asking the government to take care of us and start looking after ourselves?

Others, of course, are born into poverty, which makes it that much more difficult to get out (how to break the cycle). But even then it can be done. A determined youth can take out loans and go to school. If someone in the middle class is willing to go into debt to finance an education (like yours truly), surely a poverty striken youth should be willing to do the same. It's sad that many youth from poverty striken families follow in the footsteps of their deadbeat parents, but where does the blame game stop? We all have to take responsibility for our lives at some point. If you want out, then shut up, open a book and work.

Others still have developmental or learning disabilities due to their idiot deadbeat mothers who drank or did drugs during the pregnancy. For these individuals I feel nothing but sympathy and the state shouldn't take care of these people, but they should provide them support services to make whatever they can of their stolen lives.

Ahhh, it's refreshing to see someone who genuinely doesn't have a clue.<p> <i>A determined youth can take out loans and go to school.</i><p> Did you read the article? Kimberly Rogers was trying exactally that. Welfare barely let her subsist. Her student loans got her the basics, not much more than tuition and ramen noodles, and when Welfare found out about the student loans, she was arrested, cut off both and starved to death.<p> <i>For these individuals I feel nothing but sympathy and the state shouldn't take care of these people, but they should provide them support services . . .</i><p> Really? So you expect someone who is capable of only blinking and drooling on themself to earn their living? Doing what exactally? (CEO of Canada Post comes to my mind. . .) <p><p>---<br>"History does not repeat itself, but it does rhyme" Mark Twain <br />
"The greatest price of not participating in politics is being governed by your inferiors." Plato

People with fetal alcohol syndrone don't just drool and blink. They function quite well actually, just don't expect them to study calculus or read shakespeare. I said learning and developmental disabilities, not vegetarianism. You are talking about an entirely different category of people over the one to which I referred. Obviously vegetables need full state support. duh...

OK, anon, now you got me going.

I was a "Vegan" for many years, and I did not have a problem with that. I had more energy than many people my age, meat eaters use much energy just digesting their meal.

Ever had a big turkey dinner, with "all the fixin's ?"

Next you know, you want to lay down and take a nap.

We are talking about real people, and not "deadbeat parents", as you so eloquently phrase it !!

Get real, stupid, there are people out there that have a problem, and you are talking to one of them.

I have to live on ODSP because of a health issue. Only those that don't have health issues would make such a stupid statement.

The job market for those that aren't fully capable of working to the fullest is EXTREMELY LIMITED !!

Sorry for shouting, but you really got my goat this time.

Get this: if a person is not capable of working full time, or part time, are you another Dr. Kavorkian ??

Put them out of their misery, because they cost society too much.

You sound like a teenager, you're immortal. That will change with time !! Trust Me !!!!

Get a life !


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"Arrogance in Politics is unacceptable"
Jim Callaghan
Minden, Ontario
705-286-1860
www.misterc.ca

Hell, i know alot of deadbeat rich lazy people too. No, poverty is not a choice. It has been increasingly forced on people, giving them less choices in life! Many people go to school, and wind up 30 grand in debt, with no job to go to. And the government wants tax dollars, but not for upgrading our society- only to be crooks themselves. So the result is, tax the hell out of the lower middle class and working poor. Cut funding to services like health care, then lie, saying it`s unsustainable. Then whoever falls through the cracks is of no concern to these sun-king despots. Then the government has created less work for themselves, because after all the cutbacks and privatization, they give themselves a pay raise, and don`t have to earn it! Look at Paul 'Sweatship' Martin. He graduated from school, and his buddy, who worked for a big company, said to him," Come work for me, buddy." So he did, and through this company, he made a little cash, and was able to buy CSL, the company currently putting Canadian workers out of jobs, and smuggling cocaine. But the CBC actually called Martin a 'self made man.' What a joke! If he didn`t have these connections in the beginning, he wouldn`t be Prime Minister today! So don`t give me this garbage about working hard. Capitalism is a big lie!! Poor people actually work harder than most!

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Dave Ruston

Vegetarians eat Vegetables. Beware of Humanitarians.<p> FAS or Crack babies aside; what does that have to do with a woman starving to death after being cut off from Welfare for trying to break out of the poverty cycle?<p> <p>---<br>"History does not repeat itself, but it does rhyme" Mark Twain <br />
"The greatest price of not participating in politics is being governed by your inferiors." Plato

Sorry Anon, comment deleted. Please read the <a href='http://www.vivelecanada.ca/staticpages/index.php/FAQ'>FAQ</a>. As well, <a href='http://www.google.ca/search?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oi=defmore&q=define:Vegetarian'>A Definition</a>. It does not mean what you think it means.<p> <p>---<br>"History does not repeat itself, but it does rhyme" Mark Twain <br />
"The greatest price of not participating in politics is being governed by your inferiors." Plato

Not to split hairs but, Kimberly committed suicide via an overdose of medication rather than starving to death. While it's not unreasonable to assume that her circumstances may have pushed her over the edge, given her history of depression, etc., it should be pointed out that many extremely affluent folks also take the same route.

Like it or not, this isn't a black and white issue. There are many who are forced into a life of poverty by circumstances beyond their control, and there are equally many who put themselves there through their refusal to take responsibility for their own lives. The perspectives of all social assistance recipients being deadbeats or all being hapless victims of circumstance are equally naive.

Should people be forced to endure poverty for reasonns beyond their control? No.

Should society be required to provide life-long support those who have little interest in helping or supporting themselves or anyone else? No.

Society should provide a reasonable, and certainly higher than is currently the case, level of support to those who fall on hard times through no fault of their own, because it's the right thing to do and any of us could end up in circumstances we didn't ask for or create for ourselves.

Society should, through financial resources and education support those, who have made some bad decisions or had bad, or no, breaks to get on their feet because it's the right thing to do and the right thing to do for society in general. However, in these cases the individuals should receive clear expectations and an understanding of their responsibilities in the 'contract', e.g., become contributing members of society.

For totally pragmatic purposes, society should provide some level of support to those who refuse to accept adult responsibilities throughout their lives because it's better than having them break into your house. Society should also take a more active role in assisting those in this category who have children to raise them properly, rather than just tossing a few bucks their way every month and turning a blind eye to their ineptitude as parents. Additional support in this area could reduce the number of children who run into problems due to 'their having been raised in poverty'.

Attributing Kimberly's death to Ontario Conservative policies is also naive, in that it was to some extent the refusal by previous Liberal and NDP governments to address the concerns, valid or not, of Ontario citizens about social assitance and other matters that created the Harris government.

Society should realize it's a lot better off giving people the resources and tools they need,whether desired or not, to live decently and have positive and productive lives. Those who are stuck in circumstances they didn't ask for or create deserve as good a life as anyone else, and if the Conrad Black types who in their view have 'worked so very hard' to get what they have have to do without an extra Mercedes to achieve this, well so be it.

And yes, it's not right that there's a law for the rich and another for the poor and it's not right that various government policies have been and continue to be a factor in Canadian poverty, so rather than bemoaning the fact let's get busy doing something about it.



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Withhold power from those seek it.

Notwithstanding post-modern hooey, in the real world, the definition of a word stems from the context in which it is written. Anyone with at least grade 8 reading skills would have been able to understand that when I used the word 'vegetarian' I was speaking of it in the context of one who no longer has any discernible brain activity. A vegetable is indeed the colloquial term for one who is brain dead. uh, the level of intelligence displayed by regualr vive users is absolutely embarrassing.

BTW you are quite the hypocrite moderator. Jim C also called me 'stupid,' but you saw fit to leave that post where it was. Standing up for all your vive buddies, eh? To hell with anyone from the outside who bites back. Hurrah for intellectual mediocrity.

Jim C, if you had bothered to read my post a little more carefully, you would have realised that I called mothers who drink during pregnancy deadbeat. I stand by that statement. Any woman who voluntarily consumes alcohol while carrying a foetus is a deadbeat. Women who drink while pregnant end up with children who possess a lower average intelligence. Foetal alcohol syndrome: it's tragic and totally preventative. Women who cause it are horrible human beings.

Until society and government look upon disabilites as being physical and emotional, they will not get to the crux of the matter.

A physically disabled person with good mental faculties can work in an office environment, and communicate with confidence.

A person with mental disabilities is not able to compete in a comparable world.

Whose fault is it that a person is disabled ??

The government, starting with the harris "common sense revolution" decided that ALL disabled should get less than the cost of living, perhaps so that they would all take the route of terminating their lives. Really !!

Wouldn't that make it easier for the government ??

This is a warning to future governments that choose that route.


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"Arrogance in Politics is unacceptable"
Jim Callaghan
Minden, Ontario
705-286-1860
www.misterc.ca