Minuteman Volunteers On Canada-U.S. Border

As the Canadian government until recently would not even pay the lip service they are no paying to these issues, I applaud the minutemen for their efforts.

I laugh at how the U.S. government claims to worry about security at the border it opened in 1965 via its Ted Kennedy immigration act change. Before 9-11 Canada and America couldn't get enough of the 3rd world fast enough, and some of these people happened to be terrorists. Now its all about security, oops aside from the millions of illegal Mexicans down south that want to work for Home Depot.

The real threat of course is not simply illegal immigration but legal immigration from hostile countries which our governments can't seem to get enough of for whatever reason. As long as globaloney is on the menu, don't expect this to change quickly but at least the minutemen care enough to truly defend their country's soveriegnty. Most Canadian nationalist wax poetically about the travesty of "foreign ownership" or NAFTA and then welcome whole villages of third world nations like Mexico with open arms.

The minutemen down south recongize that invaders do not become your friend simply because they carry a suitcase and not an AK-47. The minutemen are also lucky that an old Texas law permits the shooting of illegals who cross the Mexican border and welcome the untouchables with a bucket full of lead, Texas style. Welcome to America! Perhaps Canada could learn something from our neighbours to the south. Al Qaeda terrorists are not our friends simply because they hate America and we should not welcome the families like the Khadr family.

---
THE GOOD OLD USA IS DONE. 500,000 ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS, HAVE AN ILLEGAL RALLY, TO PROTEST A LAW IN A COUNTRY THAT THEY ARE NOT EVEN A CITIZEN OF. IT JUST SHOWS YO

"The minutemen are also lucky that an old Texas law permits the shooting of illegals who cross the Mexican border and welcome the untouchables with a bucket full of lead, Texas style. Welcome to America! Perhaps Canada could learn something from our neighbours to the south."

Are you kidding me!? This kind of dealing with illegal immigration is not at all what I want for this country. Anyone who kills people who immigrate illegally should go to prison for life, period.

Don't mess with Texas I guess.

Well, I was only half serious. The point being that the minutemen recognize an invasion when they see one. Extremist measures would not go over very well in Canada to be sure, but down in Mexico I actually sympathize with the minutemen because they actually get shot at first many times. A lot of the illegals are involved in organized crime like people smuggling and are willing to kill to protect their investments. Most probably are not but that's Texas for you. If the U.S. would bring the army back from Iraq they wouldn't need the minutemen.

---
THE GOOD OLD USA IS DONE. 500,000 ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS, HAVE AN ILLEGAL RALLY, TO PROTEST A LAW IN A COUNTRY THAT THEY ARE NOT EVEN A CITIZEN OF. IT JUST SHOWS YO

My own take is that illegals, unless they are LEGITIMATE refugees, should be deported back to their country of origin.

Personally, I don't care where they come from, or what colour they are, whites included. If you jump the cue you go to the back of the line.

---
"and the knowledge they fear is a weapon to be used against them"

"The Weapon" - Rush

Agreed on all counts--illegals are illegal regardless of their background and I can only imagine how people from a currently lawless nation like Russia would laugh at our other laws should our immigration laws not be enforced.



---
People who openly hate America, while making money from America, burning U.S. flags, waving Mexican and Jamaican flags, while demanding the right to be American

Pretty much agree.

<blockquote>but at least the minutemen care enough to truly defend their country's soveriegnty</blockquote><br />
<br />
Yeah.....just like the Columbian rebels,FARC, were once loyal to their nation, so the Minutemen, given enough time, will find that the drug trade from Canada will be irresistably lucrative,and their loyalties will go down the toilet in favour of the real American National Anthem (as rendered by ABBA): Money, Money, Money.....<br />
<a href="http://www.lyrics007.com/Abba%20Lyrics/Money,%20Money,%20Money%20Lyrics.html">http://www.lyrics007.com/Abba%20Lyrics/Money,%20Money,%20Money%20Lyrics.html</a><p>---<br>RickW

Invasion? Whatever happened to: <p><i>"Give me your tired, your poor, Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free, The wretched refuse of your teeming shore. Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me, I lift my lamp beside the golden door!"</i></p> I suppose it's because they aren't wretched nordic-types anymore........... <p>---<br>RickW

People who openly hate America, while making money from America,

Not all business's are friends. If one was to deal with a company that is always attempting to take the other over, for example. A company that defies the rules both agreed on, as another. Unfortunatly the shareholders in these companies have little say. Every country is a business and the voters,the shareholders.

---
Expect little from life and get more from it.

Compiled by Chris Schefler
Chris Schefler's Home Page

Did you know that until 1848 California, New Mexico and other portions of the Southwest were internationally recognized provinces of free Mexico, until the U.S. decided it wanted those provinces, declared war on Mexico, and stole them? Read on for the chronology of these events, and then ask yourself : "Who are the real illegal in California?"
Prior to 1822 What is today Mexico, Texas, Arizona, New Mexico, Colorado, Utah, and California are all Spanish colonies.
1822 Mexican colonists, following the American revolution, rebel against Spain and win their own revolutionary war, making Mexico a free nation just like America.
1844 James Polk campaigns for the U.S. presidency, supporting expansion of U.S. territories into Mexico.
February, 1845 James Polk, on his inagauguration night, confides to his Secretary of the Navy that a principal objective of his presidency is the acquisition of California, which Mexico had been refusing to sell to the U.S. at any price.
Early 1845 The Washington Union, expressing the position of James Polk, writes: "...who can arrest the torrent that will pour onward to the West? The road to California will be open to us. Who will stay the march...?" "A corps of properly organized volunteers...would invade, overrun, and occupy Mexico. They would enable us not only to take California, but to keep it."
Early 1845 John O'Sullivan, editor of the Democratic review writes it is "Our manifest destiny to overspread the continent ...for the free development of our yearly multiplying millions."
Early 1845 James Polk promises Texas he will support moving the historical Texas/Mexico border at the Nueces river 150 miles south to the Rio Grande provided Texas agrees to join the union. "The traditional border between Texas and Mexico had been the Nueces River...and both the United States and Mexico had recognized that as the border." (Zinn, p. 148)
June 30, 1845 James Polk orders troops to march south of the traditional Texas/Mexico border into Mexican inhabited territory, causing Mexicans to flee their villages and abandon their crops in terror.

"Ordering troops to the Rio Grande, into territory inhabited by Mexicans, was clearly a provocation." (Zinn, p. 148)

"President Polk had incited war by sending American soldiers into what was disputed territory, historically controlled and inhabited by Mexicans." (John Schroeder , "Mr. Polk's War")
Early 1846 Colonel Hitchcock, commander of the 3rd Infantry regiment, writes in his diary: "...the United States are the aggressors....We have not one particle of right to be here....It looks as if the government sent a small force on purpose to bring on a war, so as to have a pretext for taking California and as much of this country as it chooses....My heart is not in this business."
May 9, 1846 President Polk tells his cabinet: "...up to this time...we have heard of no open aggression by the Mexican Army."
May 10, 1846 Violence erupts between Mexican and American troops south of the Nueces River. Of course Polk claims Mexicans had fired the first shot, but in his famous "spot resolutions" congressman Abraham Lincoln repeatedly challenges president Polk to name the exact "spot" where Mexicans first attacked American troops. Polk never met the challenge.
May 11, 1846 President Polk urges congress to declare war on Mexico.
May 12, 1846 : Horace Greeley writes in the New York Tribune: "We can easily defeat the armies of Mexico, slaughter them by thousands, and pursue them perhaps to their capital; we can conquer and "annex" their territory; but what then? Who believes that a score of victories over Mexico, the "annexation" of half of her provinces, will give us more Liberty, a purer Morality, a more prosperous Industry...?
1846 Congressman Abraham Lincoln, speaking in a session of congress "...the president unnecessarily and unconstitutionally commenced a war with Mexico....The marching an army into the midst of a peaceful Mexican settlement, frightening the inhabitants away, leaving their growing crops and other property to destruction, to you may appear a perfectly amiable, peaceful, un- provoking procedure; but it does not appear so to us."
after war is underway, the American press comments:

February 11, 1847. The "Congressional Globe" reports: "...We must march from ocean to ocean....We must march from Texas straight to the Pacific ocean....It is the destiny of the white race, it is the destiny of the Anglo-Saxon Race."

The New York Herald: "The universal Yankee Nation can regenerate and disenthrall the people of Mexico in a few years; and we believe it is a part of our destiny to civilize that beautiful country."

American Review writes of Mexicans "yielding to a superior population, insensibly oozing into her territories, changing her customs, and out-living, exterminating her weaker blood."
1846-1848 U.S. Army battles Mexico, not just enforcing the new Texas border at the Rio Grande but capturing Arizona, New Mexico, Utah, Colorado, and California (as well as marching as far south as Mexico City).
1848 Mexico surrenders on U.S. terms (U.S. takes over ownership of New Mexico, California, an expanded Texas, and more, for a token payment of $15 million, which leads the Whig Intelligencer to report: "We take nothing by conquest....Thank God").
(date unknown) General Ulysses S. Grant calls the Mexican War "the most unjust war ever undertaken by a stronger nation against a weaker one."
Primary Source: "We take nothing by conquest, Thank God", in A People's History Of the United States, 1492-Present, Howard Zinn, NY: HarperCollins Publishers, Inc. (This book is available on the shelf at virtually every bookstore in America. The New York Times Book Review says it "...should be required reading for a new generation of students...." )

---
Real education must ultimately be limited to men who insist on knowing, the rest is mere sheep-herding.
Ezra Pound

Lol, very interresting... Perhaps that accounts for why people living in those states tend to be so violent and want to deal with the immigration problem is such violent ways... Perhaps subconciously those in power know the history and know that those lands were inhabited my Mexicans.Image what the world would belike today, Canada (including Washington,Oregon and Idaho states) boardering both the U.S. and Mexico.

Not to mention Canada with all of the great lakes and the northern states. Oh well. Britain spent their money and time elsewhere.

---
People who openly hate America, while making money from America, burning U.S. flags, waving Mexican and Jamaican flags, while demanding the right to be American

Countries might be businesses in some ways....but I mean in this case illegals aren't even U.S. citizens or voters....

---
People who openly hate America, while making money from America, burning U.S. flags, waving Mexican and Jamaican flags, while demanding the right to be American

Invasion? Whatever happened to: <br />
"Give me your tired, your poor, Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free, The wretched refuse of your teeming shore. Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me, I lift my lamp beside the golden door!"<br />
<br />
I suppose it's because they aren't wretched nordic-types anymore...........<br />
<br />
<br />
----The woman Emma Lazarus who said that was not Nordic, she was Jewish and she wasn't asking for Nordics, she made no specific reference to any race. <br />
<br />
Anyway, what does a sonnet by one person have to do with today? That was the 19th century and it was unheard of for non-European immigration at that time, other than maybe Jewish immigration once that was liberalized. America was a much smaller country at the time, and is no so huge population wise the last thing it needs is more people. Also, she doesn't say she favours mass immigration, although she does sound like a bit of a revolutionary type. This is not the only source that claims she asked for a Zionist state before Theodore Herzl.<br />
<br />
<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emma_Lazarus">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emma_Lazarus</a><br />
<br />
<p>---<br>People who openly hate America, while making money from America, burning U.S. flags, waving Mexican and Jamaican flags, while demanding the right to be American