It's Time For Russia To Be One Of Us

Here are two more links regarding Russia. These are also interesting articles that helps us see the bigger picture;<br />
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<a href="http://weekly.ahram.org.eg/2007/851/in2.htm">http://weekly.ahram.org.eg/2007/851/in2.htm</a><br />
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<a href="http://www.russians.org/williamson_testimony.htm">http://www.russians.org/williamson_testimony.htm</a>

I have no problem with Russia in spite of my mother having been gangraped by Soviet troops and my grandparents dying from the effects of starvation within 3 weeks from each other.

Our satellite, quisling Hungarian government joined Hitler when he attacked Russia in his search for "Lebensraum" and slaves, so they, not the people they were supposed to represent, have asked for it and we had to go through the tortures of hell.

But let's be a bit realistic about those casualty numbers and ask the simple question," How many have died in the hands of their own government?"

The secret police raids, executions, gulags have been going on during the war. I was working with a Russian guy in Austria, who was an artillery officer cadet in the Red Army, I believe in Kiev. When they couldn't be evacuated because of the rapid German advance, they were lined up in their barrack's square and then the Cheka troops machinegunned them down. He was lucky, having been in the back row, with bodies falling on him. Stayed there, hidden, until everything was clear and when the Germans arrived, he joined up with them.

I've known many with similar stories.

How about the Soviet mass attacks, where the machinegunned human bodies piled up in heaps, with more and more climbing over them, drunk, screaming and singing even after they were wounded, slowly freezing to death, unless the snipers from both sides could kill them before they did.

Our sister machinegun squad was on the other side of a blown up railway bridge, over the river Bobr, now in Poland, some distance, on our right. One night we could see rockets going up with shots following them. Every time they shot up a rocket, there was a Russian, climbing across the girders of the bridge. So they shot him and he fell into the river. Then the next and the next, until they shot over 30 during the night, with the next one still coming. Who forced those poor victims into certain death, for no rational reason?

Read the books of Solzhenitsyn, who was a major when he was arrested and sentenced to the gulags.

70% of the Germans captured in Stalingrad have died in the POW camps from starvation and sickness although the Germans weren't much better and when the POWs returned home after the war. They all ended up in the gulags as "traitors", even though they may have been of thousands surrendered by their officers to a 4.5 million total. This is a historical fact. How many of them died in the gulags, now counted as war casualties ?

War is a racket and there are no heroes in any war, only victims, on either side, something chickenshit politicians seem to forget in their efforts to start and justify more.

Ed Deak.

Yessss, the nasty Germans are to blame for all the worlds ills.

Here is a view from a Russian's perspective:

"The Last Republic: Why the Soviet Union Lost the Second World War" by a former Soviet military intelligence officer named Vladimir Rezun, published in Moscow in 1996. He wrote under the pen name Victor Suvorov.

Other books by the same author are "Icebreaker" and "M-Day", dealing with the Soviet preparations for the attack on Europe.

In a nutshell, Rezun concluded that the Soviet Union was indeed amassing troops and weaponry to attack Germany and to overrun Europe in 1941.

The Germans attacked in June (the Soviet attack had been planned for July) knowing the outcome to be 'iffy' but, waiting would have made the situation even worse from the German point of view.

So much for "peace loving" Soviets attacked by the Nazis for "no reason at all", as the MSM and history books would have us believe.

H.F. Wolff

Come on you guys, this exactly how wars begin.
Once one becomes sloppy with their English all hell breaks loose. It is not ‘the’ followed by nationality of choice. It is the rulers of , take you pick of countries, who are the problem. You can go on forever playing tit for tat and miss entirely the root cause of the problem you seek to address.
The Russians the Germans the juice
When used as seen in your posts of this thread the followed by whatever nationalit is name calling


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