Avro Arrow Is On A Roll, Again

Posted on Thursday, September 28 at 13:58 by BC Mary
Though this CF-105 will never fly, it looks astonishingly fast. Nimble. Real. For Peter Allnutt, 73, seeing the freshly painted craft make that graceful roll was truly a déjà vu moment. Though he's spent much of the past five years working with other volunteers on this museum-quality replica, his connection with the Arrow goes back a half-century. The former experimental flight mechanic for Avro Aircraft was there when the very first Arrow rolled out the hangar doors in October 1957. And he's never forgotten. "It was impressive — it was mind-blowing, actually, at the time," he said. "Back then, there was nothing like it in the world." And there wasn't. On the day of that rollout, the Star quoted Avro president Fred Smye describing the jet as "the most advanced aircraft this side of the iron curtain." It wasn't hyperbole. The interceptor was capable of flying at twice the speed of sound. New Iroquois jet engines were being developed and tested by a sister company to power future Arrows on a crucial Cold War mission: to defend North America from possible attack by Russian bombers delivering nuclear weapons over a North Pole route. In all, five Arrows were produced. And the 15,000 Avro employees had every reason to be proud of their jet and to plan for their futures. http://tinyurl.com/qlewz [Proofreader's note: this article was edited for spelling and typos on September 29, 2006]

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  1. by Rural
    Thu Sep 28, 2006 9:53 pm
    Perhaps there were good reasons to delay or put this project on hold, but I never did understand why all the blueprints, enginering, parts and even models were desroyed. It was so far ahead of its time that perhaps even today it would be a viable military aircraft, Vive the Canadian technogology past and present.

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    When you are up to your ass in alligators it is difficult to remember that the initial objective was to drain the swamp

  2. Thu Sep 28, 2006 10:55 pm
    Wikki indicates that there was justifiable reason to fear the plans falling into the hands of the Ruskies.

    As for why the aircraft was cancelled, I'd say there were several reasons, from:
    - massive cost overruns made the plane an 'easy target' politically, and Diefenbaker came to power on a platform dedicated to reeling in Liberal spending.
    - a weak prime minister, Diefenbaker, who was easily talked out of it by American advisors, who were clearly just salesmen for the new Bomarc missile defense unit. Canada could not afford both.
    - Given the very strong influence of the American Defense industry in US politics, there is no doubt that having a strong competitor in the western nations fighter sales market, a multi-billion dollar business, was decidedly UNDESIREABLE.

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    “The war is not meant to be won, it is meant to be continuous, the essential act of warfare is the destruction of the produce of human labour”

  3. Thu Sep 28, 2006 11:46 pm
    I remember that war with the USSR ... it was a never-ending war against
    evil, if I recall correctly. There were communists everywhere.

    So I guess today, we'll be expected to destroy many industries to prevent
    their blueprints from falling into the hands of Al Qaeda. Yep, that's
    probably why BC Hydro is being chopped up ...

  4. by RPW
    Fri Sep 29, 2006 12:36 am
    <blockquote> Wikki indicates that there was justifiable reason to fear the plans falling into the hands of the Ruskies. </blockquote> Worse than that, the plans likely fell into the hands of Boeing, which technologically was 10 years behind the AVRO commercial passenger jet. <p>---<br>"Son, if you wanna get ahead in this world, never work for another man as long as you live."

  5. by RPW
    Fri Sep 29, 2006 12:37 am
    <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Avro_Jetliner">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Avro_Jetliner</a><br />
    <a href="http://members.shaw.ca/wzuk1/books/arrow.html">http://members.shaw.ca/wzuk1/books/arrow.html</a><p>---<br>"Son, if you wanna get ahead in this world, never work for another man as long as you live."

  6. by Deacon
    Fri Sep 29, 2006 4:50 am
    "a weak prime minister, Diefenbaker, who was easily talked out of it by American advisors..."

    Hmmmmmm..weak prime minister...easily talked out of (or into) it...American advisors... talk about "coincidence".

    Sounds like the "Conservatives" of today have taken the WRONG example from history.

    Isn't the point behind knowing the history of one's organization is so that one actually LEARNS from their mistakes?

    I guess it's true, Conservatives don't even have the brains God gave mice.

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    "and the knowledge they fear is a weapon to be used against them"

    "The Weapon" - Rush

  7. by RPW
    Fri Sep 29, 2006 11:22 pm
    <a href="http://www.spitcrazy.com/avroarrowstory1.htm">http://www.spitcrazy.com/avroarrowstory1.htm</a><br />
    <br />
    I wonder what constituted "massive" cost overrun? Seems to me the cutting edge technology being used would demand an open-ended budget to begin with. Or was Dief thinking of producing a newer better paper airplane, in order to be seen to be a "willing" participant in the so-called "cold war"?<br />
    Deacon is right.....nothing has changed from then to now. Canada's Conservatives -- true paper tigers!<p>---<br>"Son, if you wanna get ahead in this world, never work for another man as long as you live."



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