A Call To Arms

I can only assume you have not been paying attention for the last 15 years.<p> It goes something like this: Vote for Conservatives = It's OK to sell Canada to forgien countries cheap: See - GST, NAFTA<p> Vote for Liberals = What you have been doing to us at home and abroad for the last 10 years is OK with us, we'll keep working like slaves to give you 40% of our pay so that you can flush it down a toilet or give it to your friends. See: HRDC boondoggle, Red Book, Gun Registry . . .<p> If the NDP do not form the next government, it's because of exactally the out look you have. 'Splitting the left vote' is what happened to the right last time, and it will happen this time to the left - <b>if you let it!</b><p> Get out there and do something about it! Every single person that does not vote because they feel disenfranchised is a vote for the left, or the Greens that's been lost.<p> <p>---<br>"History does not repeat itself, but it does rhyme" Mark Twain <br />
"The greatest price of not participating in politics is being governed by your inferiors." Plato

Um, the Lieberals and the CONServatives are the same party - just different faces. Only distinguising feature being the Liberals will just take longer to get rid of Canada.

Vote CAP or NDP or Green or Independant

Roy

Sorry, but I plan on voting for the candidate/party that most closely represents my views and goals for this country. I am not going to screw around voting 'strategically'; that defeats the purpose of voting in the first place.

(I'm voting NDP, probably. still need to check out the local candidates)

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Jesse

Both the Liberals and Conservatives plan to deliver us into US hands. Have a look at the <a href="http://www.ceocouncil.ca/en">CCCE site</a>, read the April 20th New Frontiers speech where they tell their US audience what the plans is. Why would you believe the Liberals, don't you remember the red book?

I understand the arguments that the liberals and cons have similar policies. They do. There is no doubt about that. But there is a parallel here with the 2000 presidential election. Back then most disenchanted voters were complaining, democrats and republicans, bush and gore-two sides to the same coin. Looking back now, would a gore administration have made much of a different? Hell yes. Look, I know the liberals are not as pro-Canadian as the NDP, but you can't say with a straight face a liberal government and a conservative government will be the same. The won't. A conservative government will institute the greatest rollback of social services language and equality rights, the likes of which most Canadians probably can't even fathom. Would the liberals even toy with the issue of abortion? Would they fiddle with bilgualism? Would they put gay marriage to a free vote in the House? Would they deliver a $20 billion tax cut (or whatever silly number harper came up with)? The conservatives are all redneck, right wing nutbars. Nothing will stand in their way if they get a majority or even a healthy minority (in which case they would be able to push their agenda through with the aid of a strong bloc) This is their raison d'etre. The liberals at least have a healthy balance of left and right. From Irwin Cotler to David Pratt, there is at least a mix and a voice for all. We get Conservative, we are SCREWED. Think long and hard about it, because this election, your vote will really count.

Forgot to mention captial punishment, another fixation of the cons. If you can honestly tell me without cracking a grin that Irwin Cotler would even think about re-opening that one, well, i'll vote for the marxists.

We are this close (gesturing) to having decades of social progress being flushed down the toilet. The liberal and conservatives may be similar in their economic orientations, albeit the cons being way more market orientated than the liberals; but on the social programme and social issue front, the liberals and cons are like apples and watermelons. We CAN count on the liberals for progressive social legislation. The conservatives are going to turn Canada into their own socially retrogressive image. Don't think only about north american economic integration-there are other things at stake here.

OK I ‘got’ it
It took a little while because I am so used to the serious posts I find on the net that when I run into satire it takes a while to register.

Well done! You really had me going there, for a while.

You strike me as one of those poor fools whom not having the benefit of robin Mathers writing expresses themselves with newspaper-truth or back to point one your just a funny guy

Well when the Liberals decided to back the overthrow of the democratically elected government of Haiti I knew that Canada was gone, we are 20 some days away from being <b>Canusa</b>. Voting for either the Liberals or the Conservatives will ensure that we become a US possession. <p>Saying that the Liberals are different from the Conservatives is like saying that Bush is different than Kerry. So what, they all suck and they all have the same ruling class agenda. I won't vote for any of them! <p>"Men occasionally stumble over the truth, but most pick themselves up and hurry off as if nothing happened." Winston Churchill

I heard this not too long ago from a 20-something: "Well, I'm going wait and see who puts out the most signs, and I'm going to vote for that one. In my neigbourhood, so far, I will be voting ReMax."

Here's an idea for the strategic thinkers out there. Take a look at voting
trends. In my riding, the NDP could win, given a strong turn out; it is
possible.

Now, the Liberals could win just as easily. I think any real Liberal
government would form a minority with the NDP, if it needed to. If they
wouldn't, then it's game over anyway.

So - look at the numbers. Sure, if the NDP's looking for a mere %10, you
might want to give a Liberal the margin he/she needs.

Some may shrug this idea - it would take a little investigating. But, I
think we're grown-up enough here to do that.

Besides, we still need people to vote with their hearts. Where else is
hope for the future going to come from? We may as well just merge
everything non-conservative and vote for that mass of counter-policy.

This will probably be the last election I will vote in. The only reason I am voting is because I believe Jack Layton and the NDP deserve a chance to make some positive changes for working people and the soveriegnty Canada. Call it wishful thinking.

If either the Reform/Alliance or the Tory/Liberals form the next government I will be joining The Socialist Party of Canada. Read about the goals and principles of The Socialist Party of Canada at www.worldsocialism.org/canada/index.htm

Hehe. The only difference between the Liberals and CCRAP v2.0 (or Reform v3.0; I refuse to call them Conservatives) is the size of the tax cut and how fast you want this country merged into the USA.

Thanks for the critical comment. Everyone on vive seems to be so narrow minded. The concern for economic issues is fine and important, but everyone is just ignoring the social policy question. As I originally said, voters should only do some serious soul searching if the NDP and liberal votes are very very close where a few less liberal votes for the NDP would mean a conservative victory. What purpose would that vote for the NDP serve? We don't have proportional representation yet. If that happens, all you are going to be rewarded with is a conservative MP. Have your principles, but for goodness sakes, think rationally, strategically and realistically. The stakes are very high this time around.

Who is going to seriously argue that the liberals and conservatives share the same platform on abortion? On marriage? On foreign policy? On crime? On law reform? On taxes? On federalism? The two parties are quite different in many respects.

the conservatives, liberals, ndp, greens, all support the capitalist system. there is no true democracy. we are slaves to the capitalist system controled by those that hold the money. capitalism is the problem. we need real change, a different system, one that shares the wealth, run for the people by the people. World Socialism.