Let's Talk Wind Power

Posted on Monday, August 16 at 10:18 by Jim Callaghan
Ontario is trying to keep its promise to close coal-fired generating plants within the next few years, and they are also talking about linking up with Manitoba and Quebec, as they have excess power to sell. Here's the plan: we build our own plants, hire the skilled workers necessary, build the turbines ourselves, then we could place them all over Ontario in good high locations. This would work well on the prairies, as I understand the wind never stops blowing there. Alberta has the wind rushing off the mountains. The point is, we would employ many people, manufacturing, installation and maintenance, etc. Each small town that has reliable wind could start their own project, and on and on it goes. This is a truely win-win situation, because we would no longer have to depend on outside forces to keep our power going. Personally, I am moving off the grid, and since I am a mechanic, I am going to experiment with an alternator as a small turbine and a bank of batteries, to light my new home with 12V lighting, and use a generator for cooking and such. A TV and computer should be able to run from a 12V inverter to 110V, so I'm going to hopefully save some $87 per month on power. The wind idea is a good one, so why don't we start talking it up ? Is it because of shortsightedness on the part of the politicians, or is it another "corporate control" problem ????

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  1. Mon Aug 16, 2004 5:30 pm
    I like the wind power idea too, but we'd have to protect it from NAFTA, maybe find a way that it isn't tied to the grid, as otherwise we'll still be paying for the high demand to the south.

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  2. Mon Aug 16, 2004 7:15 pm
    Yup. Epcor just started it's biggest windfarm in Alberta. 50MW.<p> Use low voltage (12v) and halogen lighting where possible - it's more efficient. And <b>never</b> run a computer off a 12v -> 120v inverter. Most surge supressors will catch fire if you hook them up to an inverter.<p> Just a little advice . . .<p> <p>---<br>"If you must kill a man, it costs you nothing to be polite about it." Winston Churchill <br />

  3. by avatar canuck
    Mon Aug 16, 2004 7:20 pm
    This is absolutely true. Perhaps even cities could build a completely local power grids where the main source of elecricity are publicly owned turbines. Coal, nuclear, and natural gas would not be able to compete against the efficiency and low cost of wind generators... and the thing about Canada is that almost any region would be a suitable place for wind generated elecricity.

    http://www.canren.gc.ca/resou_asse/inde ... 6&PgId=451

    Power blackouts affecting 50 million people would be a thing of the past.

  4. Mon Aug 16, 2004 7:53 pm
    There is another form of power starting up in Alberta, a little smellier but good use of resources; it's feedlot excrement used for power, apparently it has great potential, also it answers the where to we put all this shit(really)? Ah those silly Canadians always thinking, a Hutterite Colony is already using it, quite successfully.

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  5. Tue Aug 17, 2004 12:37 am
    Doc, I'm using an APC Office Pro battery power pack, so are you saying I shouldn't try to use this on a 12V/120V inverter ?

    I'm just getting into my experimental phase, so the more info the better.


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    Minden, Ontario
    705-286-1860
    www.misterc.ca

  6. by N Say
    Tue Aug 17, 2004 12:51 am
    Since wind power has become a bit more 'mainstream' I've always thought that farmers in the prairies could have turbines on their fields. The turbines wouldn't take up a lot of space, and farms are wide open spaces where there would be lots of wind. I don't know if it would work but I like that idea.

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  7. Tue Aug 17, 2004 2:58 am
    Wind power is an excellent idea. It's clean, cheap to maintain, and it uses no resources. However, you will need many of them to power a large area. As some of you suggested, using electricity-saving lightbulbs, adapters, inverters, etc is a good idea and will help to keep the overall power use of a city low.

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  8. by N Say
    Tue Aug 17, 2004 4:20 am
    I know a single generator doesn't generate a lot of electricity, but there's a lot of space on the prairies, on or off all the farms we've got there.

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  9. Tue Aug 17, 2004 7:14 am
    The wind idea is a good one, so why don't we start talking it up ?

    Is it because of shortsightedness on the part of the politicians, or is it another "corporate control" problem ????


    It's because the nuclear industry is making a comeback - that's definately a 'corporate control' problem, there's nothing else about such a backward idea that makes any sense...

    ***wanders off shaking head and muttering "Dalton Dalton Dalton"***

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  10. Tue Aug 17, 2004 2:32 pm
    As far as I know, every electrical item such as batteries, solar panels, etc. have an added cost built-in to be paid to the hydro industry.

    I wonder if the same applies to wind turbines. Probably !

    If that is the case, then part of the price tag is going to offset the loss of business by the hydro corporations, driving the price higher.

    Any way around this ??

    How many turbines would it take to power a small town of 1500 ?

    How many to power a farm of decent size ??

    What seems to be holding us back ?

    Questions, I have lots more !


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    Jim Callaghan
    Minden, Ontario
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    www.misterc.ca

  11. Tue Aug 17, 2004 2:48 pm
    Wind power is a good idea, but requires subsidization to make it economically feasible. Moreoever, the upfront costs for wind turbines render them an uneconomical solution to our energy problems. Moreover, the NIMBY (not in my backyard) attitude of many people prevent wind turbines from being set up in locations where they are best suited.

    Another issue is that wind turbines need to be supplemented by other generaating assets because they only produce power about 20%-25% of the time.

    Because of all of this, it actually turns out that wind turbines generate power at a cost of 10-12 cents/ kWh. About 5 times as high as hydro power or 4 times as expensive as nuclear.

    Here's the good news; the cost of wind turbines has been steadily decreasing as technology improves -- cost have been going down about 3% per year. So maybe one day we will have wind turbines dotting the landscape without having to pay for them out of tax funds.

    Jerome

  12. Tue Aug 17, 2004 3:47 pm
    No, if you used an APC Surgearrest on an inverter, it will burst into flames. I don't know about the UPS, but I'd check APC's website or the manual for it to be sure.<p> <p>---<br>"If you must kill a man, it costs you nothing to be polite about it." Winston Churchill <br />

  13. by hoopoe
    Tue Aug 17, 2004 3:59 pm
    The energy agreement of NAFTA regarding the US getting an equal proportion does not apply to electricity generation.

  14. by hoopoe
    Tue Aug 17, 2004 4:20 pm
    Don't know where your numbers are coming from. Here is a site that gives some more details about what is happening in Alberta. http://www.climatechangecentral.com/alt ... html#ALB02



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