If the guy had been a bomber and was either wounded or caught and had his hand on an electrical detonator or trigger, his goal of blowing up innocent civilians and creating terror would have been achieved.
Shots in the head precluded that possibility.
There's sorry irony in that possibly the only fame Joao Alves Menezes was destined to achieve was being killed as he headed for work that morning, with no reason to fear the police. But he was frightened and ran from them anyway.
There'll be an investigation, and rightly so, but there's a lesson in this unfortunate incident for both potential terrorists and the public.
The lesson for terrorists is that this is war, and there is no time for niceties like warnings, reading of rights, or gentle scoldings. The shoot-to-kill order still stands for London police.
Cops are on front line too
For the public, the message is even clearer: The police are in the front line along with bus and subway staff, whose job it is to protect the public. In the future, if a police officer in London tells someone to stop, that person should immediately obey and hold up his hands. Neither run nor duck nor behave suspiciously.
Mere suspicion, in these days of suicide bombers, can get you shot by accident.
http://www.torontosun.com/News/Columnists/Worthington_Peter/2005/07/26/pf-1147974.html
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The War On Terror Not For Sissies
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Does he know if the Brazilian spoke English?
Does he understand that in Brazil a bunch of cops waving weapons at you might be a plausible reason to run like hell?
Does he really believe that SEVEN bullets to the head were needed? Surely even he can see that was an overreaction by the police in what one must expect was a racially motivated revenge killing, because he looked like an Arab. Not to say they shouldn't have shot the Brazilian, but they could have obtained his willing compliance if they merely shot to disable him.
Would someone please take away Peter Worthington's keyboard??
Paul Harris
Unless of course this article is meant as satire...
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Every time you complain about the moderators, god kills a kitten.
Has he been to Stockwell? Personally if a gang of armed men (cops) in ***civilian clothes*** told me to stop while waving a gun at me; I would run like hell. And if it was in an area like Stockwell maybe I would (literally) soil my pants then start running.<br />
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The message to the public is that you are being attacked from two ends. The terrorists and the governments like Britain and the US who cultivate and help nourish these terrorists. <br />
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Makes you think about how the Iraqis must be feeling for over a decade and continue to experience right now. We only experienced a few small bombs, they (Iraqis) have had the latest DU 2000lb+ bombs and the New Napalm and God knows what else being dropped on them.<br />
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<a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk_news/story/0,3604,1537457,00.html">http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk_news/story/0,3604,1537457,00.html</a><br />
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BTW: Seven Bullets in the head and one in the shoulder, while he was on the ground. SEVEN!! What sick and heartless bastard could fire seven bullets in another man who was being held down. <br />
Scary when the police are allowed to be judge, jury AND executioner, isn't it? What the hell happened to real law and order?
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"When I told him about class warfare, he asked if we did it in JellO."--translation/paraphrase, The Candidate, CBC
The consequences of hesitating should be weighed against the consequences of this individual detonating a bomb. You can't be too careful.
Kill them all. Let God sort them out.
the *article* ids riddled with halh truthes, supposition , PRE supposition and hardly worth of presentation, either in the paper carrying it or here either.
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June 21, 2005<br />
Global War on Terrorism: "Wrong Concept"<br />
That line comes from an unlikely source: Three star General Wallace Gregson, currently commander of Marine forces in the Pacific. It's all part of a fascinating talk he gave recently at the Naval War College, which was picked up by Inside Defense, the highly respected and highly expensive industry newsletter. Unless you pay you can't play, but here are some excerpts:<br />
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This war has a popular label and a political label, but it’s not accurate,” said Gregson. “Terrorism is a means of power projection, it’s a weapon, it’s a tool of war. Think of it as our enemy’s stealth bomber. This is no more a war on terrorism than World War II was a war on submarines. It’s not just semantics . . . Words have meaning. And these words are leading us down to the wrong concept.”<br />
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Gregson added, “What we’re fighting is an insurgency defined as a popular movement that seeks to change the status quo through violence, subversion, propaganda, terrorism or other military action. But it’s different from other national insurgencies that we’ve known in the past. This one is networked thanks to the wonders of technology. It’s primarily ideologically driven, fundamentalist and extremist.”<br />
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“It’s a collection or a confederation of movements empowered by regional and global fundamentalist extremist insurgents,” Gregson said. “You can borrow an old phrase and say they think globally and act locally.”<br />
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“The center of gravity, the decisive terrain in this war is the vast majority of people who are not directly involved but whose support, willing or coerced, is necessary to insurgent operations around the world,” he said. “Hearts and minds are more important than capturing and killing people.”<br />
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“The main thrust of my remarks was that we know we’re stuck with the name, it’s going to be the global war on terrorism. . . . But even though we’ve got that name out there, we’ve got to at least in the security community and then further on through the greater world . . . explain what we’re about here and get it into something that is properly categorized and puts us on the side of the angels in various areas.”<br />
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We have a chance to start winning this war here and walk it back into the Middle East, but we can’t just continue to admire the problem,” Gregson said. “We have to start doing something and we have to start walking the propaganda back in the other direction and get ourselves on the right side of this issue.” <br />
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Providing doctors, engineers, dentists, veterinarians and other aid to enhance the lives of people living in very troubled parts of the world is “often far more important than projecting some type of force,” Gregson said.<br />
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Let's give General Gregson a promotion (and maybe a column in the Nation)! <br />
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Giving money and power to government is like giving whiskey and car keys to teenage boy. <br />
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Who or what are those in power trying to impress or prove to?
I don't get it. It seems to me that they are only playing into the hands of the Terrorists.
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Perception is two thirds of what we perceive reality to be.
Difficult decisions are a privilege of rank.
Problem with people like him is that they are gung ho about the authorites abusing peoples rights as long as it is everyone elses rights they are abusing not his or his own familys.
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Perception is two thirds of what we perceive reality to be.
Difficult decisions are a privilege of rank.
> Canada isn't as bad off yet but, we still have secret arrests, secret detention, detention without charge or representation.
You see Cuntada as a fiction of itself. Cuntada only exists a s labor pool to service America. As such, Cuntadians like yourselves can pretend to self-righteous outrage about percieved abuses of rights.
Cuntadains have no rights, except those allowed by default from America.
Cuntadians are cheap to hire, easily lead (like: propoganda about "da world needs more of da Cuntadian values..."), but still have no option but to work for their American masters.
Frankly, Americans don't give a shit if the product is made in Cuntada, or Mexico, or anywhere else.
Because of that, Cuntandians should start to care what Americans think.