Headtax, Pattywhacks, Give The Dog A Bone.......

Bloody hell. Leave it to the lefties to find the raincloud in every sunny day. Harper makes good on something that should have been done long ago, and what happens... "what about <insert whatever downtrodden group you want here>".

Well, where is Jack and Olivia? How come they aren't trumpeting this cause... oh yeah, they didn't know the cause existed until they realized they needed something to bitch about. Well how about CAP? Whelan, where does CAP stand on the Ukranians? Do you have an "official" position on this - meaning one you didn't just pull out of your backside in reaction to Harper doing something good? Please provide the "dated" literature to go along with this.

What if Harper did make some good to the Ukranians? Who are you going to whine about then? Let us know now - in fact, why don't you complile a complete listing of all nationalities/groups/races/creeds that we need to make an apology to in order of significance and with incidents that occured so that we can generate a one size fits all day and action of atonement. Since making these apologies is never good enough for you cynics and there will always be someone somewhere that was screwed by our ancestors, how about a single day and single payment to be split by all agrieved parties... say we put aside $100 million or so, and we make a day long announcement on June 15th (we need a national holiday in June) and we call it the "National Day of Atonement for all Groups Oppressed by Our Long Dead Forefathers because we need to Ensure that Everyone gets Recognized at the Same Time to Shut the Lefties Up Although They'll still find Something to Bitch About". Or just "Long Summer Weekend #2" for short. All the "oppressed" can gather at Parliament Hill for a memorial service, distribution of the cheques and a wreath laying. The whities should go to the beach and they watch it on the evening news between brewskies.

"However, how many knew that UKRAINIANS were interned in WWI?"

I did. Being from Alberta, many of my friends and my ancestors were Ukrainan. And Romainian, Russian and German.

"Why were Germans NOT targeted in nearly the same numbers.....? "

Because in the early part of the 20th century, many immigrants to Canada were not German. Most were Ukraninan, or Romanian. German immigration was highest in the mid 1800's. By WWI, most 'Germans' were second generation. At least to parts of Alberta.

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"I think it's important to always carry enough technology to restart civilization, should it be necessary." Mark Tilden

<blockquote>Leave it to the lefties to find the raincloud in every sunny day</blockquote>Apologizing to the Chinese you consider to be a "sunny day"? Give me a break! You <B>MUST</B> be a W.A.S.P. An apology and $3 will buy a coffee at Starbucks. A headtax is MONEY, and money should be on the table - nothing less than FULL reimbursement, including interest, in addition to the apology. <p>And if we can keep dredging up war criminals from WWII and putting htem on trial before they die, then we should be doing the same to the criminals who instituted these stupid and retrograde laws in the first place.</p> Now repeat after me - "Innocent until proven guilty" - "Innocent until proven guilty" <p>---<br>RickW<br />
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"The purpose of economic competition is to eliminate competition"...." - John Kenneth Galbraith

I am half-Ukrainian, and proud of it!
BTW, many Japanese interned in WWII were second generation, so that doesn't wash with me that many German were 2nd generation. Eastern Europeans were generally looked upon as the proverbial Neanderthal Man by the upstanding British, who wanted "good nordic stock" populating the Prairies, and couldn't figure out how to stop the "others".......

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RickW

"The purpose of economic competition is to eliminate competition"...." - John Kenneth Galbraith

Michael Scott asks an important question about CAP's position.
My ability to respond to a question today is reflective of the fact that CAP's policies do not need to be revised everytime someone speaks to injustices against any citizen or group of Canadian citizens. You and others may tire of apologies, however unless people are willing to acknowledge that something was wrong, how will they ever correct this negative behaviour. I feel strongly that a cap should not be placed on apologies or acknowledgments of past wrongs. We can only grow from learning from our past. It may be easy to say one group or another is more right or more deserving if we stand back and judge the error done to them; however if it was done to us or our relatives, we might feel very different about that act. If we are capable of accepting that some of our policies were wrong, unjust and inhumane and then strive to make the world better, we will be a better society. If that is what we want. If we are fed up with apologies, or are happy to sweep wrongdoing under the carpet then we will continue to have unjust policies, sponsorship scandals, unfair trade deals etc.

I have not tired of seeing Mr. Harper and his conservatives apologize. The list is long. They could continue by apologizing for the sell out of Canada, the unfair but very free trade deals, the signing of the Security and Prosperity agreement, the lack of solutions to support real universal healthcare in Canada, the lack of support for the non-proliferation of weapons of mass destruction, the lack of leadership to stand against war in the Middle East, the language of terror used in the Toronto arrests of 17 youths, the irresponsible comments Harper made regarding Iran and the use of labels on clothing, the usurping of the people's democratic right when they elected Emmerson as a Liberal and he took the plum job with the Cons instead, did I miss anything? Perhaps others can add to my list of things our Liberal and Conservative cliques have done to Canadians or in our names around the world which require apology and probably compensation for years to come - but much of that compensation should come from the perpetrators and not the people's money.

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If I stand for my country today...will my country be here to stand for me tomorrow?

"Michael Scott asks an important question about CAP's position."

You are far to kind CWC
Mikey at best has Mickey Duck ideas which he honest to god believes constitute independant thinking.

On some other thread here he bemoans insulting taunts WITH insulting taunts.

quite frankly I am embarassed by a guy who seems to have a decent command of the English language and yet is bereft of anythinking skill that may fall outside of his narrow range of thinking.

Had his question been sinsere(sic) and with out the included "Do you have an "official" position on this - meaning one you didn't just pull out of your backside in reaction to Harper doing something good?"

Mikey, ya suck!
and are voted down


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The world is a dangerous place, not because of those who do evil, but because of those who look on and do nothing.... : Albert Einstein

<blockquote>but much of that compensation should come from the perpetrators and not the people's money</blockquote> .......which raises the questions: <p>just who got the property consfiscated from the Japanese when the latter were interned?</p> how much was paid for it, compared to market value at the time? <p>and why (as the Japanese interned were never proven to be guilty of anything except being Asian), were these properties never returned to their owners at the end of hostilities?</p> Why in fact, were the properties in question not held in trust? I suspect the real reasons for the internment had much more to do with filthy lucre than with security...........<p>---<br>RickW<br />
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"The purpose of economic competition is to eliminate competition"...." - John Kenneth Galbraith

<blockquote>Of the 8,800 immigrants imprisoned across Canada between 1914 and 1920, more than 5,000 were Ukrainians, while only 2,000 were Germans. The rest were Poles, Czechs, Slovaks and Hungarians.</blockquote> <p>All of the ethnicities above could be found in <a href="http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/92/Austria_hungary_1911.jpg/790px-Austria_hungary_1911.jpg">pre-war Austria-Hungary</a> (ethnic Ukrainians in Austria-Hungary were then called <i>Ruthenians</i>). The Dual Monarchy was one [or two ;*) ] of the Central Powers in WWI. If all of the imprisoned immigrants were subjects of the crowns of Rudolf II. or Saint Stephen, then perhaps that could have been the public reason for the practice? Similarly, as to why their imprisonment lasted unti 1920, maybe because that was when the Treaty of Trianon was signed, ending the state of war with Hungary? (Austria had ended its state of war in 1919 by signing the Treaty of Saint-Germain.)</p> <p>Kindly note that this is not meant to be a defence of these actions; I’m just trying to imagine contemporary justifications for them.</p><p>---<br>Shatter your ideals upon the rock of Truth.<br />
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<p>Rick,</p> <blockquote>I suspect the real reasons for the internment [of Japanese during WWII.] had much more to do with filthy lucre than with security …</blockquote> <p>that was certainly the case on this side of the border, particularly in California, if not Hawaii too.</p><p>---<br>Shatter your ideals upon the rock of Truth.<br />
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— The Divine Symphony, by Inayat Khan<br />

Having read (most of) Paris: 1919<br />
<a href="http://www.ralphmag.org/BS/paris-1919.html">http://www.ralphmag.org/BS/paris-1919.html</a><br />
I was surprised to learn that WWI did stop on Nov.11/18, but carried on well into the 1920's, in the main in Eastern Europe. But as this had little to do with Britain, it didn't make it into the history books in my school days.....<br />
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Thanks for the heads up!<p>---<br>RickW<br />
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"The purpose of economic competition is to eliminate competition"...." - John Kenneth Galbraith

RPW, you state "money should be on the table - nothing less than FULL reimbursement, including interest..."<br />
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Well, Harper is providing some $20,000 per person. So the head tax was between $50 and $500, so I don't think this covers the upper limit of $500, when you consider inflation and interest, but it does more than cover the $50 limit. <br />
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<a href="http://www.cbc.ca/default/story/ca-headtax-20060622.html">http://www.cbc.ca/default/story/ca-headtax-20060622.html</a><br />
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So, please, where is the list of other aggreived peoples so we can get down to business.