The Changing Climate On Climate Change

Posted on Monday, February 12 at 13:50 by Ed Deak
To the scientific community, the evidence on climate change has, of course, been overwhelming for more than a decade and a half. I participated in the second assessment of the scientific evidence conducted by the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, which perhaps made one critical mistake: it underestimated the pace at which global warming was occurring. The Fourth Assessment, which was just issued, confirms the mounting evidence and the increasing conviction that global warming is the result of the increase in greenhouse gases in the atmosphere. The increased pace of warming reflects the impact of complex non-linear factors and a variety of “tipping points” that can result in acceleration of the process. For instance, as the Arctic ice cap melts, less sunlight is reflected. Seemingly dramatic changes in weather patterns – including the melting of glaciers in Greenland and the thawing of the Siberian permafrost – have at last convinced most business leaders that the time for action is now. Recently, even President Bush seems to have woken up. But a closer look at what he is doing, and not doing, shows clearly that he has mostly heard the call of his campaign contributors from the oil and coal industries, and that he has once again put their interests over the global interest in reducing emissions. If he were truly concerned about global warming, how could he have endorsed the construction of coal-fired electricity plants, even if those plants use more efficient technologies than have been employed in the past? What is required, first and foremost, are market-based incentives to induce Americans to use less energy and to produce more energy in ways that emit less carbon. But Bush has neither eliminated massive subsidies to the oil industry (though, fortunately, the Democratic Congress may take action) nor provided adequate incentives for conservation. Even his call for energy independence should be seen for what it is – a new rationale for old corporate subsidies. http://www.project-syndicate.org/commentary/stiglitz80 [Proofreader's note: this article was edited for spelling and typos on February 14, 2007]

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  1. Mon Feb 12, 2007 10:22 pm
    I am in favour of reducing all activity that emits greenhouse (and other) gases. Not polluting the planet just plain makes sense. I am not in favour of, however, tying in greenhouse-gas-emitting activity to climate change.

    The article is correct in that there is evidence of climate change. The article, in my opinion, is incorrect in saying that there is mounting evidence that greenhouse gases are the cause.

    I suggest that this climate change, as devastating as it will be for our species, is simply a natural reversion to the mean. There is geological evidence for this planet having been much colder/hotter at different periods in pre-history. I believe that the fact that we are around for this particular period of change only serves to feed the collective human ego in saying that we are responsible for all that happens.

    Rico AB.

  2. by avatar Milton
    Tue Feb 13, 2007 3:17 am
    There are stories going around which say that the sun is getting brighter, more solar flares than ever before. They say this is the major cause of global warming. If this is true it could explain the reason for the massive global aerosol spraying (chemtrails) program. <p>Whether the foregoing is true or not I have no doubt that <b>no</b> steps will be taken that cost the global corpse any of their ill gotten gains.

  3. Tue Feb 13, 2007 5:51 am
    Good points. I would have to agree that even if my house was built on some
    toxic natural occurring substance, I still wouldn't dump my toilet in my living
    room. We cannot deny the pollution and its effects, whether the global warming
    is a natural occurance or not. It is time to stop blaming and start evolving!

    The most frustrating part of this issue is that there are solutions available, but
    many are being prevented from full development, or from reaching the masses.

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    "aaaah and the whisper of thousands of tiny voices became a mighty deafening roar and they called it 'freedom'!"' Canadians Acting Humanely at home & everywhere

  4. by RPW
    Tue Feb 13, 2007 6:47 am
    Didn't I read that ol' "shoot yer buddies" Cheney endorsed the building of some 400 nu-u-lar reactors...........?

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    "When you change the way you look at things, the things you look at change."
    -Max Planck

  5. Tue Feb 13, 2007 7:37 pm
    Rico AB

    Don’t you think your points have been thought of before?! (The sun, volcanic activity, etc.) For the last few hundred years a development in human thought called science has propelled the evolution of our species through the Industrial Revolution, etc. The state of our various fields of science isn’t perfect, certainly I have many beefs with the direction and focus of my favorite areas, but the contribution to human knowledge is undeniable. Your statements, in my view, are a complete denial of the current state of scientific reasoning and knowledge. Climate change or global warming is the most studied project in human history. To deny these reports is a rejection of all science.

    It is clear that this is not a “natural reversion to the mean”. The change is too rapid. Green house gases cause climate change. This is known from observations of our own planet’s history as well as other planets. (Venus for example.)

    We may not have pinpointed all causes of recent warming, other planets in the solar system are showing evidence of recent warming as well, but we certainly have enough to go on. It seems to me that the view you express gives many people, not necessarily you, an excuse for non- action. Some form of collective action must be taken.

  6. Tue Feb 13, 2007 8:34 pm
    Rico and Whelan,

    Your comments are proof positive that the oil and gas industry's clear efforts at distorting the truth and minimizing the conviction of man-made effects on climate in the news are working.

    The debate is Over. Very learned and esteemed scientists, thousands of them, have debated your points for years. They have arrived (Unaminously, polled and PROVEN) that human activity, specifically the increase in greenhouse gas emissions, have triggered a global change in climate, with temperatures creeping up across the board and ice melting everywhere.

    I say again for the hearing impaired!

    THE DEBATE IS OVER!!!!!!

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    “The war is not meant to be won, it is meant to be continuous, the essential act of warfare is the destruction of the produce of human labour”

  7. Tue Feb 13, 2007 8:54 pm
    Pardon? What was that?



    ;-)


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    "I think it's important to always carry enough technology to restart civilization, should it be necessary." Mark Tilden

  8. Wed Feb 14, 2007 4:01 am
    Joseph E. Stiglitz - When this man speaks we should take notice. He is hardly the poster-boy of environmentalism.

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    If there was ever a time for Canadians to become pushy - now is the time - for time is running out on this nation called Canada.

  9. by Deacon
    Wed Feb 14, 2007 10:58 am
    "THE DEBATE IS OVER!!!!!!"<br />
    <br />
    Not exactly.<br />
    <br />
    When one assumes quite rightly that the sun does indeed provide the earth with heat, one must come to the conclusion that any increase in solar output would exacerbate the effects of greenhouse gases.<br />
    <br />
    If global warming is the result of these two factors working in tandem, then nothing we do will be able to stop it.<br />
    <br />
    <a href="http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/article696586.ece">http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/article696586.ece</a><p>---<br>"and the knowledge they fear is a weapon to be used against them"<br />
    <br />
    "The Weapon" - Rush

  10. Wed Feb 14, 2007 4:43 pm
    Rico A B<br />
    <br />
    I don't know how anyone can look at this picture :<a href="http://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/Newsroom/NewImages/Images/earth_lights_lrg.jpg">http://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/Newsroom/NewImages/Images/earth_lights_lrg.jpg</a> and think that man is not capable of contributing to climate change. Consider as well how many lights were off at the time of this photo and how many are beamed downward.<br />
    <br />
    On 9/11 when all the planes were grounded the lack of contrails showed a difference in temperatures.<br />
    <br />
    <a href="http://eol.jsc.nasa.gov/sseop/EFS/query.pl">http://eol.jsc.nasa.gov/sseop/EFS/query.pl</a> <br />
    <br />
    <p>---<br>"And those who were seen dancing were thought to be insane by those who could not hear the music." Friedrich Nietzsche<br />

  11. Wed Feb 14, 2007 8:16 pm
    I beg to differ 4C.<br />
    <br />
    Have a look at the following image:<br />
    <br />
    <a href="http://sohowww.nascom.nasa.gov/gallery/images/large/las021.jpg">http://sohowww.nascom.nasa.gov/gallery/images/large/las021.jpg</a><br />
    <br />
    The circle in the middle blocks the sun so we can see what the sun's up to. <br />
    <br />
    "I don't know how anyone can look at this picture and think that man is not capable of contributing to climate change."<br />
    <br />
    I do think man is capable of affecting our climate. But I also think the power of Man is insignificant when compared to even a small hiccup from our Sun. There was a major explosion on the Sun a month or two ago that was caught on film, and it was positively astonishing. The power in it would have destroyed the Earth instantally. If I find a link to it again, I'll post it.<br />
    <br />
    More really cool shots of the Sun:<br />
    <a href="http://sohowww.nascom.nasa.gov/gallery/bestofsoho.html">http://sohowww.nascom.nasa.gov/gallery/bestofsoho.html</a><br />
    <p>---<br>"I think it's important to always carry enough technology to restart civilization, should it be necessary." Mark Tilden<br />

  12. Thu Feb 15, 2007 4:00 am
    Exactly, DC... my comments should have more accurately stated that while man has the ability to affect the climate, there has been no proof given that the current spate of change is due to our doings rather than something greater than man.

    Rico AB.

  13. Thu Feb 15, 2007 4:38 am
    If you agree that man is contributing to climate change then there is nothing to beg for differing?

    I agree those are cool pictures of the sun and you can see some equally cool pictures of a colon somewhere on the web too.

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    "And those who were seen dancing were thought to be insane by those who could not hear the music." Friedrich Nietzsche

  14. Thu Feb 15, 2007 5:47 pm
    Agreeing that man has the ability to change the climate is not the same as agreeing that man IS changing the climate.



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