Globe And Mail Coverage Of Lockheed Action

woohoo!

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JvH

The only chance Canada has is getting proper government is to get rid of the party system. Political parties are self serving tribes, that only serve interest of the party.
When bad faith legislation is brought into law, we the tax payers pay for the political parties mistakes. I say do not support political parties with your money or time.
If people like Paul Hellyer, Mel Hurtig and Brian Orchard were honest, they would join together and take on this party system and educate the citizens on how corrupt it truly is.
Mel, Paul and Brian should be pushing for a consensus government, like they have in the N W T and Switzerland. Down with political parties , they do us harm .

I think you are correct, parties are dangerous and they are not democratic, they hold back democracy. Our elected member , Mp\'s or Mla\'s are uselees in Ottawa and our provincial legislature. The Cabinet runs the show and the business community or unions run the cabinet, we the common people get dirty, no respect.
I have for the past ten years turned against the party system, it is dirty , just like in Russia.

What a great idea, Paul, Brian and Mel should come together and take up the challenge to advance a true democratic government , free from party politics.
They have the tools and the knowledge to advance such a fight. This is about saving Canada, being Canadian and making our country strong and FREE, but not free to sell off to the United States of America.
Politicans today , like Paul Martin are more than willing to give away our country , just so he and his cronies have a good bottom line. I say lets fight back. !!!!!

As far as I know there ARE discussions being held about whether or not to form a coalition of some kind--the Canadian Action Party (run by Paul Hellyer) recently adopted an official resolution to pursue a coalition, for example.

I believe it\'s actually David Orchard, not Brian. I think Orchard identifies more with conservative (in the sense of the traditional Canadian conservative, not the more right-wing sort of neoconservative) values, so I\'m not sure that he\'ll be interested in working with the NDP or other left-identified groups--but you never know. Like anything, the more public pressure there is, the more likely it is to happen--so writing to David Orchard and others would likely help.

As for getting rid of the party system--I would say we should definitely make the voting system more fair, which in turn would lead to more diversity in the available parties and ensure that people\'s actual votes are better represented. That\'s why it\'s important to push for a referendum on Canada\'s voting system, and some form of proportional representation, something this site has also been supporting. For more info on other efforts you can visit http://www.fairvotecanada.org

And finally, I have to second Jesse\'s comment--WOOHOO!

Am I impressed! Go Vive! Canadians everywhere will get some real info if they log onto the site, couldn\'t be any better marketing tool than to make it to the Globe and Mail. Shows we\'re on top of the news at Vive!!!!

The five main parties in Canada are Liberal, Progressive Conservative, Alliance, Bloc and New Democrat. These parties pick and prepare the candidates and when the election rolls around, these parties help finance and promote their candidates. Financing has traditionally come from those in the business community or unions who are anything but altruists. They expect something in return for their investments of cash, and past performances by the two parties that have formed governments have never let their investors down.
Let\'s examine a word with which most Canadians are probably not familiar, though they have been living under its oppression for years. The dictionary defines \"oligarchy\" as \"a political system governed by a few people.\"
My point is that political parties themselves are not democratic, because they maintain the party line rule. To think we elect a member to our legistalive house, in Ottawa or in our our province and they become sheep of the the party, not just the governing party, but each party take control of our elected member, but even more so in the governing party.
Brian Orchard might be a so called conservative, Mel might be an NDP and Paul Hellyer a onetime Liberal, but all are saying government is not functioning as it should, all agree that the sale of Canada must stop, then why not come together?
I am not talking about building a new party, I am talking about getting rid of the old party structure, building a new way of governing Canada, if the NWT and Switzerland can do it, then why not use them as a template to build from.
Parties have not proven to be the way, if they were, we would not be having this discussion in Canada today.
I can think of so many bad laws that the parties put in place and the Lawyers are still getting rich off of them and who pays for these blunders? not the party, itis we the tax payer .
The Paul Martins of Canada take our social infrastructure tax dollars and hand them out,so they can make their friend into socialites. Look at the latest, our royal Adrian Clarkson, now there is a Liberal Party hand made socialite, so the party system serves people like her very well, that is what I call a true \"oligarchy\".
When will it stop?






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Good government is not a party government

Canada is becoming more of a plutocracy more than an oligarchy.

As well the NDP does not take money from corporations - unions they do.

I know the NDP do not take funds from business and yes I know that they take from union, so what is your point? My point is parties are funded by special interest groups, business and unions, this is why we do not get a democratic governing sysyem.
Parties are controled by those who fund them. This has been proven to be bad for our country. These special interest group like the \"Chamber of Commerce\" , \"Board of Trades\", and \" Union \" take over the party and then hide out in the back rooms, I like to call them the earwigs of politics, most likely they are really lawyers though,who only come out at night, to do their damage and control.
So when you see the present Governing Liberal PARTY going to sell of Census Canada, to the good old USA, it makes me wonder just who are those Liberal PARTY members working for.Note it is alway done in the name of Government , but it really is the PARTIES doing. Down with PARTY politics, don\'t give them your time or money, let them go it alone.

Woo baby, woo! (Ric Flair style!)

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"Finally I am becoming stupider no more." - epitaph of mathematician Paul Erdos

Does anyone else think Mel should be promoted? He\'s already OC (Officer of the Order of Canada which is 2nd-highest) but that was a while ago, in 1980 or something. Does anyone think he should promoted to Companion? (Canada\'s equivalent of getting knighted)

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"Finally I am becoming stupider no more." - epitaph of mathematician Paul Erdos

I think Mel Hurtig should get the lead out and kick some political party butt. It is time that he put up, it is time Paul Hellyer and Brian Orchard put up too.
It is onething to profess that you are the leader of a new party that cares, but it is another thing to disguise your real purpose behind a party or movement as a new political force only to sell book.

If Mel, Brian and Paul are truly behind Canada, then they should step up to the plate and bring this discussion to a new level. This is about much more than fixing the way we vote,or reforming how the political parties function, it about cleaning out a political system that was meant to serve only the few, it is about Canadians taking back their government from businessmen dressed up as politicans.
It about we the people of this great land taking a stand against this present oligarchy.
Are we going to let the fire sale continue of Canada?


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Good government is not a party government

I don\'t mean to be rude, but Mel did put his money where his mouth is, and not just to sell a book! Perhaps you don\'t remember the National Party, Mel was the leader and the media wouldn\'t give him the time of day, therefore the people didn\'t get the message. He wrote a book, prior to that called \'The Betrayal of Canada\' kind of a prediction, a warning to Canadians. He has gone out on a limb many times on behalf of Canadians, but he is only one man and if the rest of us, don\'t get off our butts and speak out, write letters and talk to our friends we won\'t have Mel to blame or Paul or David, they at least took the risk of being public and putting their names and reputations on the line. Unfortunately people with that kind of dedication and loyalty, to this country we call Canada, are rare.
OOops didn\'t log in but I don\'t want to hide behind anonymous on this one!
C.Whelan Costen

Dear C.Whelan Costen.

I do not take your views as being rude, they are welcomed opinions as are mine.

What I am asking of Mel Hurtig, David Orchard and Paul Hellyer to do is get away from the promoting of a political party. You are correct they all have put their time into building a new party, but that is the very problem , it still a party.

Parties are set up to control the membership and to choose their guy or gal to run in an election and not to offend Mel Hurtig or Paul Hellyer, but they were setting up a party which also had in place controlls, called party rules and party constituations, these are the tools that parties use.

Mel Hurtig, Paul Hellyer and David Orchard are great Canadians this is why I think they would be one hell of a force to deal with and I might add they would be good for Canada.

Just for these three men to set up and head a citizens think tank, that would look into how Canada should and could reform it\'s political structure would be a major start. All three have addressed the failures of the past political governing parties and as we all know , Paul Hellyer was a Minister in the Liberal Party Government and I might add has pretty much informed us, of its pitfalls.

Yes all three have published books on Canadian politics, yes all three have made an income form their writtings and there is nothing wrong with that. You are correct when you say the media here in Canada has done everything to block them from getting their political message out, but lets face it, the old line Liberal and Tory Parties are great friends of the Media, remember Izzy and Conrad Black.
This is why we must break down the party structure and then the media will be lost, there will be no party to feed or support. It all about business and it has little to do with good government for the people. Here is another great idea that a Mr Mike Cox of Nova Scotia has, if he can only get beyond the party thing, Nova Scotia just might have something happening. http://www.newconsensusparty.ca/
Sorry for getting you upset. Darn I forgot log in too.

Regards
Wayne Coady