U.S. Integration Promoted At Maclean's

Bullshit

"Discussing the pros and cons of colonization is like discussing the pros and cons of rape." Going to bed with an elephant will put us on the cold hard floor of subservience as economic and political decisions for Canadians will not be made in Canada. Increasing self-sufficiency is the path to freedom. This is what each person works for in their personal life and the same is true for nations.

Have you ever read such garbage?
Pure bullshit propaganda.
Of course look who wrote and published it.They really are desperate!Why do so many Canadians want to sell out to america?

I got about halfway through this article and could not stomach anymore. I have to agree; what a load of bullshit.

I consider Gottlieb (our former ambassador to the US) an American and not a Canadian, as I do our present ambassador in Washington, and when we have Americans in such positions how are our interests going to be represented?

I agree...it's garbage. Americans are tired of being sold out by their politicians to neighbors who only want to use them. I heard they were starting a grassroots movement in the states to try to stop this "deep integration" thing. They are afraid of losing their sovereignity, and of having Mexico and Canada leech even more from their economy. They say they're with us in our efforts to put a stop to this thing before they wind up with even more of a burden than they had before, and that it doesn't help anybody on any side of the border..

Actually, the USA has been leeching off of Canada.

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Dave Ruston

then we're in agreement with them in that we ALL want our mutual "leeching" off one another to stop, and that we both think TRUE independance is best for all. We both can stand alone equally well I think without assistance from the other. And the cross-border family ties are minimal at best. We don't need their defence capability as we have our own military which is more than adequate for our needs, and there's no need to worry about nukes since we have no enemies. And our advances in technology can stay with us, and theirs with them. We don't need their pharmaceuticals at insultingly lowered prices...we are NOT a charity case, if that's what they're thinking. We can pay full price so their people won't have to cover us by paying more, and that'll put an end to that old gripe we're so tired of hearing. And we sure as he** don't need their money, right gang? You tell 'em!!! You GO boy! I'm with you all the way! Fact is, so are they ...

Rule of law between our nations is a good idea, but there's a reason the EU has it and we don't. And after "deep integration", I bet we still won't.

"When the wagons circle, do Canadians want to be on the outside looking in or the other way around? To ask the question is to answer it. The implications for our economic security will far exceed those for the U.S."

Why can't we continue to play the one-foot-in-one-foot-out game? It seems to have worked pretty well so far. All the spoils and none of the committment seems like a better idea.

But if one had to choose, outside-looking-in for sure. Circled wagons would mean economic meltdown on the inside of those wagons.

Hey, is there anything in this "deep integration plan" that would allow the U.S. to limit our resource sales to Asia (thinking specifically China)? Will there be a buried clause that *prevents* Canada or Mexico from trading freely with any other nation whom the U.S. has identified as a "strategic threat to the continent", either military or economic?

Not many do.

I found this article to be the most self-serving and Orwellian piece of crap that I have ever seen. "Most Canadians think X and most Americans used to think X and want to think X again." Talk about assumptions.

To think Peter C. Newman still writes for this magazine.

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The midget, Bush, and that Rumsfield deserve only to be beaten with shoes by freedom loving people everywhere.

- Mohammed Saeed al-Sahhaf, The Iraqi Informat

There is a very marked difference between the EU and an American Union: in the EU, all members have equal say at the table. With an American Union...guess who calls the shots and the minions will dance to their tune, no doubt.


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Vera Gottlieb

Yes, the American people are starting to realize that the neoconservative agenda is just greed run riot and is counter to decency and humanity. I think this can only make them better citizens in this world and will promote fair trade among nations.

<p> Before McLean there was <a href="http://www.cdhowe.org/pdf/benefactors_lecture_2004.pdf">the Gotlieb's lecture</a>, "a provocative delight"(<i>sic</i>), at the <i>C.D. Howe Institute</i>, not a very progressive think tank. <p> Calling Mr. Axworthy! And Mr. Duceppe to address Gotlieb's views on Quebec. <p>

<p> More <a href="http://www.americanassembly.org/programs.dir/report_file.dir/USCAN_report_report_file_US-Canada.pdf">perfidy</a> to digest. The crème de la crème were there: Allan Gotlieb, Paul Cellucci, David From, Pamela Wallin, Jean Charest, some people from academia for good measure ... and our (?) Joe Clark. <p>

Re "perfidy" link
I was quite shocked at the anti-Canadian use of language and stress indicated in the document that Gotleib signed.
The overt tone is that Bush and the U.S. are the generous father with an out-stretched hand, and we are the petulant child ("soft
and self-indulgent Canada"). The whole stress of the document is that its Canada's fault- when a problem is defined, the suggestion is that Canada has to change. This document is embarrassingly prejudiced.