Canada Divided On Terror Threat

Deep integration is the biggest threat we have.The government is the biggest terrorist we have.
Most of the terrorist acts are in one way or another caused or created by governments.

This attempt to scare us into submission is a classic tacitc. Since we are being set to integration with the USA, we have reach a similar level of paranoia, and fear.
We have to be willing to accept a certain degree of control and monitoring in our lives, so the big Bio-metrics firms that lobby the government, can get some nice juicy contracts. They are tied to the millitary industrial complex. We are told to accept Globalization, and expect terror attacks from extremist outsiders as a result of the globalization. There is no talk of dealing with the issues that cause extremist idealogy. In fact, were there no extremists to fight, our imperialistic designs on the Middle East would have no ability to justify it to those who serve those causes in the millitary. Before the CIA funded(maybe even created) Taliban was forced out of Afganistan, it was the worlds 5th largest supplier of opium.
Now that the UN is in control, its the Largest in the world, and has been since late 2002. The majority of the country is ruled by Warlords who simply switched sides when the Northern Alliance came along with USA Air Force and Special Ops support. At least half of the "territory gained" by the Northern Alliance was by local warlords changing sides.
Afganistan is STILL a huge mess and Iraq is too. This is what causes extremism in the first place. Without a percieved threat to the public, how could these wars go on?

The last paragraph summed up Canadians pretty well - naive. Naive to the point of being actively unwilling to face reality. Islamic fundamentalists kill people like naive Canadians because anyone who is not a 'true believer' is not an innocent person, they are legitimate targets to be killed because their existence is a stain on Islam.

The Courts reinforce this ideology in their rulings - after a 13 year old girl was raped and impregnated by her 15 year old brother, she had to be stoned to death in order to remove the stain of her existence from Islam. This recent Court ruling in Iran exemplifies fundamentalist Islamic attitudes, it's not a 'live and let live ideology' - you are guilty by existence and deserve to be killed according to them.

Is this a joke comment or simply a delusional anarchist? You would rather have no elected government? Simply allow the Hell's Angels or gangsta rappers to provide 'order'? Okay, so the comment was probably just a joke in the first place, still - it's not a very good joke.

"You would rather have no elected government?"

And when it comes to wrappers...
Yours got done a tad loose
you're startin to unravel, Sammy Mouse

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"The last paragraph summed up Canadians pretty well - naive. Naive to the point of being actively unwilling to face reality."<br />
Ah yes the facing of reality. Something Americans are well know for as in...<br />
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<a href="http://www.thebulletin.org/article.php?art_ofn=jf05cirincione">http://www.thebulletin.org/article.php?art_ofn=jf05cirincione</a><br />
As George W. Bush and Dick Cheney lower their hands after being sworn in for their second terms, they will be smiling. And with good reason. They will have gotten away with the greatest con in the history of the American presidency. They willfully and systematically misled the American people and our closest allies on the most crucial question any government faces: Must we go to war? <br />
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Not one of the dozens of claims they made about Iraq's alleged stockpiles of chemical and biological weapons, missiles, unmanned drones, or most importantly, Iraq's nuclear weapons and ties to Al Qaeda, were true. Not one. Yet no one in the administration has been held accountable for the hundreds of false statements or--if you believe they made the statements in good faith--for their faulty judgments and incompetence. Almost all the key officials, save former CIA Director George Tenet, will still be in office to celebrate the administration's reelection. (When Tenet resigned for "personal reasons," Bush praised him for having done "a superb job"; he has since made more than $500,000 in speaking fees.)<br />
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We now know with absolute certainty, as Cheney likes to say, that during the buildup to the 2003 Iraq War Saddam Hussein did not have any of these weapons, did not have production programs for manufacturing these weapons, and did not have plans to restart programs for these weapons. The most that Charles Duelfer, head of the Iraq Survey Group, was able to tell Congress in October was that Saddam might have had the "intention" to restart these programs at some point. The weapons were not destroyed shortly before the war, nor were they moved to Syria, as some still claim. They never existed. As Duelfer reported, the weapons and facilities had been destroyed by the United Nations inspectors and U.S. bombing strikes in the 1990s, and he found no evidence of "concerted efforts to restart the program" (Washington Post, October 7, 2004).<br />
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In short, administration officials "hoodwinked" America, as John Prados carefully and convincingly documents in his book by that name. Because Prados wrote and published his research in early 2004, one might think it has been overtaken by subsequent events, including the publication of the Senate Intelligence Committee report that provided new details of the false claims. But it has not. It is still a fascinating read for two reasons, apart from the author's skill as a storyteller. <br />
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First, Prados does what the Senate Committee refused to do. He describes the political process behind the development of the false intelligence. The Senate report, a valuable and solid piece of work, pulled its political punches. <br />
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The committee concluded that while "most of the major key judgments" in the October 2002 national intelligence estimate (NIE) were "either overstated, or were not supported by, the underlying intelligence report," the failures were a result of "systematic weaknesses, primarily in analytic trade craft, compounded by a lack of information sharing, poor management, and inadequate intelligence collection" as well as a "groupthink" mentality, rather than administration pressure. In other words, they blamed the lower-ranking analysts.<br />
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Au contraire, says Prados. The president and vice president had decided even before September 11, 2001 to overthrow Saddam Hussein. This was to be the beginning of an historic crusade to forcibly remake the geopolitics of the Middle East (for more on this, see Walter C. Uhler, "Preempting the Truth," September/October 2004 Bulletin). But the drive for war ran into serious opposition in summer 2003, particularly from respected Republican moderates such as retired general Brent Scowcroft. Prados quotes Scowcroft's prescient warning that an invasion of Iraq "could turn the whole region into a cauldron and, thus, destroy the war on terrorism."<br />
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The administration's response, says Prados, "was to craft a scheme to convince America and the world that war with Iraq was necessary and urgent, a scheme, unfortunately, that required patently untrue public statements and egregious manipulations of intelligence." White House Chief of Staff Andrew H. Card set up a special White House Information Group chaired by political guru Karl Rove in August 2002 to coordinate all the executive branch elements in the new campaign.<br />
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Prados takes readers step by step through the stages of this political operation, weaving together the strands of official statements, media stories, and behind-the-scenes struggles in the intelligence community. By also reproducing key intelligence documents, speeches, and press releases--all annotated to pinpoint false statements, exaggerations, and contradictions--Hoodwinked does double duty and is a valuable research tool for scholars and experts.<br />
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Most of the documents are available on the web, but it is helpful to have them all assembled in printed form. And Prados's annotations, of course, are available only in the book.<br />
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I'm not divided at all on the terrorist threat. 30,000 children die EVERY DAY from complications of starvation. My chances of surviving in Canada are better than most and I am blessed. I think we need perpective on this nonsense. We can start by asking WHY bad things are happening in the world. Then we can start to change the world. Instead of cloistering ourselves from evil we should be reaching out and changing the ways that let evil fester. There is no reason on this God's earth why a Presbyterian church should feel the need to be suing an Alberta energy company over complicity in genocide. All of us need to do some soul searching before we act and speak.

This just in,
It certainly does not hurt to stir the pot and keep people on edge.
Ain’t State Terrorism Grand?

Birmingham city centre evacuated

July 9, 2005


BIRMINGHAM, England (AP) - Police evacuated about 20,000 people from central Birmingham on Saturday night because of intelligence suggesting a security threat.
The alert, however, was not likely connected to the subway and bus bombings in London two days earlier, said Stuart Hyde, assistant chief constable of West Midlands Police.
"I want to make that pretty clear,'' he said during a news conference.
"We have evacuated an area of Birmingham city centre, and we are asking people who are there at the moment to go home, to have the evening off. This will help us considerably.''
The evacuation of the bustling Broad Street entertainment district and the city's Chinese quarter followed intelligence warning of a "substantial threat,'' Hyde said.
A controlled explosion -- designed to disarm any explosive device -- was carried out on a bus following a call from a member of the public, but officers concluded there was no explosive device.
Police initially restricted road traffic into the city centre, but after receiving further intelligence they ordered an evacuation.
Broad Street is the heart of Birmingham's entertainment district with scores of bars, restaurants, clubs and theatres.
Birmingham, about 180 kilometres northwest of London, was the target of one of the worst Irish Republican Army bombings of the 1970s. Twenty-one people died when the IRA bombed two pubs Nov. 21, 1974.



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Giving money and power to government is like giving whiskey and car keys to teenage boy.
-Parliament of Whores

With all the anon here it Do get confusin'.

"We can start by asking WHY bad things are happening in the world"


Bad things do not happen of their own accord they are set into play and the those responsible are well known.
The way I see it is we can start asking what takes us as individuals so long to even begin to get who is behind the Bad things

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Giving money and power to government is like giving whiskey and car keys to teenage boy.
-Parliament of Whores

Exactly. It is patently obvious that Islam is behind many of the 'bad things' happening in the world today because the majority of conflicts in the past ten years have involved muslims killing each other or killing other people.

Although the root of the problem is easily identified, the solution to the problem is more difficult - how to spark an 'age of reason' or revolution of ideology within Islam so that they can accept other people and deal with the realities of a modern world. How can we pull the Islamic mindset out of the Dark Ages?

All this talk about the "Islamic Mindset" needs to be addressed. If you talk to the average north american muslim, you wont find these idolgies. The reason they are so prevelent now, is because they are such an effective means of social control. Look at the Roman Catholic Church during the Dark Ages and you will find the same thing. In fact, during the Dark Ages mulsims were actually much more tolerant than christians, of other religions. What we are seeing now is a program of controlling the population. The change is happening, but slowly. I would bet that the majority of middle eastern people, would cast off the theocracy for a constitutional government, with separation of church and state, if they could. However the financial and religios elite realize this, and have too much at stake to give it all up willingly. The truth is, we should get out and let them deal with it themselves.

"It is patently obvious that Islam is behind many of the 'bad things' happening in the world today because the majority of conflicts in the past ten years have involved muslims killing each other or killing other people."


Are you nukin futz?????????????? It is extremely difficult to maintain ones cool in the face of such unbelievable bullshit!
hundreds of thousands die due to bombs land mines starvation stirred up armed insurrection and most of it going back the what Ed Deak points out a neo-classical economics; freaking unadulterated book cookin’ greed! The Ugly American is alive and well and has begotten the stupid North American!


The Ugly American
The multi-million-copy bestseller that coined the phrase for tragic American blunders abroad.

First published in 1958, The Ugly American became a runaway national bestseller for its slashing exposé of American arrogance, incompetence, and corruption in Southeast Asia. Based on fact, the book's eye-opening stories and sketches drew a devastating picture of how the United States was losing the struggle with Communism in Asia. Combining gripping storytelling with an urgent call to action, the book prompted President Eisenhower to launch a study of our military aid program that led the way to much-needed reform.
Right now! As we exchange these posts the cradle of civilisation is being raped by American and British interests under the guise of bringing democracy to the region.

It has been my experience that once an individuals mind is and has been set the direction you take in the post I now respond to, that god herself has now power to alter it



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Giving money and power to government is like giving whiskey and car keys to teenage boy.
-Parliament of Whores

Ancient Iraq may have been civilized, but Saddam Hussein's Iraq was not. Saddam, the current darling of Canadian Leftists, attacked three countries, murdered 'his' people in chemical attacks, allowed his sons to casually rape and murder people, plundered the Iraqi treasury to build palaces for himself, funded terrorists so they could murder people in other countries and sought more powerful weapons in order to reap more destruction. While Leftists may find that kind of absolute power and wanton destruction appealing, it hardly qualifies as civilized behaviour - and shouldn't even by the low standards of Leftists.

It's been pointed out many times how costly the war in Iraq is for the United States, financially and politically. If the Americans simply wanted the resources it would have been much cheaper and a whole lot easier for them to have just purchased the oil. They could have given Saddam a premium on each barrel to ensure they were his only customer and it still would have been cheaper.

The CIA Reports on Saddam’s Gassings<br />
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Memo To: Jeffrey Goldberg. The New Yorker<br />
From: Jude Wanniski<br />
Re: You Were Snookered<br />
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In case you did not see the latest report of the Central Intelligence Agency, Jeffrey, you will be surprised to see it does not give much support to the 18,000-word story you wrote last March about Iraq’s gassing of the Kurds at Halabja in 1988, “The Great Terror.” Remember I had warned David Remnick, your editor at the New Yorker, that you were snookered. Well, I’m afraid that the CIA’s report published last Friday, <a href="http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/iraq_wmd/Iraq_Oct_2002.htm">http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/iraq_wmd/Iraq_Oct_2002.htm</a>, pulls the props from under not only your story, but much of the conventional wisdom about Saddam Hussein’s use of poison gas. Here is what you wrote after visiting northern Iraq in January: <br />
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