Democratic Potential In Canada

Posted on Tuesday, December 28 at 14:14 by jdudek
Unfortunately as counter balance to all these governments there is an average Canadian with political awareness of a 10 years old. Sounds very dramatic but it truly is so. The point is that Canadians are entangled in the unimportant things related to some party’s “leader’s” charisma or clothing or views on specific issues that they completely loose sight of a fact that "leaders" do not promote democracy. It is actually silly to mention "following a leader" and "democracy" in the same sentence. I have been blessed and cursed and the same time by having had the opportunity to spend 9 years in the most (only?) democratically run country: Switzerland. Blessed, because I had a chance to experience up close how politically mature citizens form their society and take care of each other and how little "leaders" and "charismatic visionaries" have to do with it. Cursed, because I am so painfully aware of how far away Canadians are from political awakening and democracy itself and how we are being robbed of better quality of life. It is embarrassing and discouraging to observe how much of a soap opera there is here, and how naive Canadians are to believe that this is democracy, and that this is the only way to go. And they keep electing in the same system and expect change to happen miraculously. I have seen and survived many governments here and it is obvious to me that it does not matter who one votes for because they all mismanage, are unaccountable and self-serving. In the Swiss system it does not matter much what a politician thinks because the matter will ultimately be decided by the popular vote. The most people do not even know and care what the name of the president of the country is, so little influence federal politics has on their lives. Just as a mind bending point to start: the "president" of Switzerland is actually a number of individuals who take turns. That way Switzerland does not have to have those love-hate relationships with its presidents and they never become unaccountable because their system has eliminated even the slightest chance of it. None of them becomes an irritating, patronizing "leader" like ours and none of them can share our tax money with his political friends. The advantage of Swiss system is they do not waste time and resources on endless deliberations on issues. Referendums happen often and on all issues, municipally, cantonally and federally and that way prevent even a chance of mismanagement, corruption and waste of taxpayers hard-earned money. Governments have no money, they have to obtain an approval for every spending, no deficites. Their country is stable, safe, enjoys the highest level of employment in Europe and one of the lowest levels of crime (although every Swiss man gets to keep his machine gun at home after he is done with his mandatory military service, or maybe because of that?). They do not strike (their unions use the time before dead line to arrange new agreements) and their debates in parliament are productive unlike this arguing and names calling so cherished by our MPs. Whenever I can, I talk to everyone about this since I wish the best to this country and its people and I do believe that we have the multiple potential of Switzerland which has practically no natural resources, for just one example. Unfortunately it sounds so good and unbelievable to majority of Canadians I know, they have hard time believing and they file it under "fiction". What it would take is to educate the general public that better political system already exists and there is no reason to reinvent the wheel. We are so fortunate to have the proven, working example of Switzerland which produced the richest, proudest and most independent society I have ever met, in a country with the lowest taxes in Europe if not the world. Switzerland is ready to use model of multi-cultural, multi-lingual (4), multi-religious, multi-provincial society that is the richest, most stable, most peaceful and most government-free in Europe and in the world. They have no charity for the purpose of helping their own citizens, they have no dollar stores to kill their own manufacturing, they have no donut shops and fast food to turn their life into this ridiculous “to go” arrangement, they have no food banks which is the biggest scar on the face of Canada and the most obvious proof how mismanaged our country is. What I am missing in the media is some kind of suggestion to the public that we desperately need here some new approach to Canadian problem. Instead of showing example of a much better, proven, functioning solution, there is the usual discussion about what our "visionary politicians" think to do on various issues. You, the media have the responsibility to teach the public that it is not important what "they" think. What counts is what we think. Many people I know are politically frustrated, disappointed, not well financially, plain angry about being taxed to death and afraid of what the future may bring. I don’t think we have much more time to waste. And we don’t have to; it would be a shame if we did. We need our honest and objective media to let Canadians know the system has to change in this country, not just who talks down to us from the political pedestal. I would be very glad to expand on this issue, with examples, personal impressions and experiences at your convenience. To every Canadian issue there is a democratic solution if only we educate our people. I am prepared to do my part. Would you be interested to do yours? Best Regards, Janusz Dudek P.S. Somewhere on the net I found an article about one of the former Soviet republics studying, with participation of UNO, the political institutions of Switzerland, with the intention of adopting them for their country. Could it be they are smarter and more honest with themselves than Canadians?

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  1. Tue Dec 28, 2004 11:37 pm
    Janusz Dudek: warm welcome aboard Vive! Yes there are a few on Vive that views Direct Democracy (DD) as a way out of our country deadlocks. You may already be familiar with <a href="http://www.directdemocracycanada.ca">http://www.directdemocracycanada.ca</a> where we are trying to exclusively focus on DD. But there are also some that still think a federal political party whoever that is (perhaps under David Orchard) can do that. The common belief is that DD should be isolated at the local (municipal) level. Your insights on how DD can work at a federal level in support of increased Canadian Sovereignty will be well appreciated. <p>---<br>"We are all in this together somehow, some more than others somehow"

  2. Tue Dec 28, 2004 11:40 pm
    BTW, this story could have been frontpaged, due to the impact of DD on increased Canadian Sovereignty. Any comments from our Editors?

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  3. Wed Dec 29, 2004 12:03 am
    I didn't want to put all the stories today on the FP. Aw, heck, since there is only one story today . . .it's moved.


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  4. Wed Dec 29, 2004 12:34 am
    Thanks for the excellent insight. I just have a few comments.

    You mentioned Canadians have the political knowledge of 1o year olds--would you instantly give these people votes on eveything?

    I personally think that Switzerland has a hugely different political culture. Canada was largely formed by loyalists of the British Empire--who someone managed to lose a civil war with the thirteen colonies of America. The American Union army posed a great threat to British North America, as well as the natives and French Canadians, and a confederation was seen as a way to defend the many cultural and business interests of these people.

    Point being, without enshrining a large amount of power in our central government, Canada would very likely have disappeared a long time ago, been balkanized, or never been created in the first place.

    Canada is actually MORE like Switzerland now. How? Canada is the second most decentralized country on earth--with Switzerland being the most. Does this create any sense of shared experience or belonging in Switzerland? I'm just asking, because it certainly has made Canada weaker.

    Canada is a youg country, and decentalizing everything could be disastrous, as it was in the United States with the outbreak of another civi war, this time between the Union army and the Confederacy.


    I agree we can learn from Europe, but is it surprising that no political party will give up its power? It's almost self-explanatory why they won't in Canada.

    When it comes to Canada, formed of colonial nationalism, it's hard to understand how Switzerland does it, but perhaps it's because Switzerland is simply less of a resource and territory bonanza, hence there are fewer forces fighting to control it. Nobody cares about Switzerland outside of Switzerland. This is what a neutral country can expect. With the many forces opposing the existence of an indpendent Canada at all, due to our prozimity to the new Rome, centre of neo-liberal globalization, I don't see how Canada can weaken its central government and survive, as bad as the feds may be at this time.

    Canada is still IMO trying to decide what kind of country it will be, and we know the globalists have no intention of giving that influence to the citizens without a fight.

    My take is simply that with greater power in the hands of a federal government, comes greater potential for bad, but a greater ability to repair things as well.....perhaps proportional representation would help?

    Just my ten cents.

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    The best argument against democracy is a five minute conversation with the average voter --

    Winston Churchill

  5. Wed Dec 29, 2004 12:34 am
    Janusz Dudek,

    I'm not sure if your a writer, but I would like to suggest that you write a book on this subject, comparing Switzerland and Canada. To me this subject could be a book ;-)

    Maybe there are some similarities between Canada and Switzerland??? That would explain why Shania Twain moved to Switzerland, and today she say's she finds Switzerland and Canada are alike. Would you agree?

    On the political side, I find your comparison of the two countries very interesting. Like I said you could write a book on it ;-)

    Kevin



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  6. Wed Dec 29, 2004 12:57 am
    I'd like to hear our swiss commentator about a couple of issues. First, I had heard that there has never been a referenda about bank secrecy laws. Many people feel this has been detrimental to the world at large, but there is some concern that swiss is so much a 'business oriented' society that 'what is good for business is good for the swiss' has been pretty much internalized. Also, it's been said that the worst job in the world is being a swiss government historian, partly because much is held by corporations and information can't be discovered.
    These are the only criticisms I've heard about switzerland and would like some comment. It's becoming clear canadians are going to have to go down the same road, although many are still waiting for some 'saviour' or, I mean, leader. However, its a lot of work, and I fear Canada is going to get far worse before it gets better.

  7. Wed Dec 29, 2004 2:35 am
    Marcar,

    "although many are still waiting for some 'saviour' or, I mean, leader."

    To make sure you understand that I in know way am looking for a 'saviour' to save Canada. All I've been saying is its gonna take cooperation between all pro-canadian groups, completely involved in the political system.

    Kevin

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    "War does not determine who is right - only who is left."
    --Bertrand Russell

  8. Wed Dec 29, 2004 3:04 am
    "Canadians have the political knowledge of 1o year olds--would you instantly give these people votes on eveything?" <br />
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    I really do not think that we can give people votes overnight here in Canada on everything. But there should be matters on which they can vote on. I have argued before that some of the "liberals" agenda items of gay marriage, pot legislation, euthanasia, and space war would be suitable topics to start with. See <a href="http://www.vivelecanada.ca/article.php/20041108173652234">http://www.vivelecanada.ca/article.php/20041108173652234</a> <br />
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    A roadmap to DD would be fascinating to hear about from our new Vive colleague. BTW there is an excellent interview on DD from former greek PM George Papandreou available at <a href="http://www.opendemocracy.net/debates/article-3-122-2255.jsp">http://www.opendemocracy.net/debates/article-3-122-2255.jsp</a> <br />
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    <p>---<br>"We are all in this together somehow, some more than others somehow"

  9. Wed Dec 29, 2004 3:07 am
    <p> Janusz Dudek's rhetoric unfortunately reminds me too much of that of the Far Right in the US for me not to be wary of his proposals. For another view of Swiss democracy, I refer you all to <a href="http://www.humanite.presse.fr/journal/1999-10-26/1999-10-26-298337">this 1999 interview </a> of Jean Ziegler. I do not know Mr. Ziegler nor does this constitute an endorsement of his political views. This is simply an attempt to bring a different point of view to this thread. <p> <blockquote><b>JEAN ZIEGLER : "LA DÉMOCRATIE SUISSE EST À BOUT DE SOUFFLE"</b> <p> <b>Jean Ziegler</b>, essayiste (1), député sortant et candidat sur une liste de petits partis situés sur la gauche du PS, avait décidé d’attaquer Christoph Blocher, dans l’un de ses fiefs, à Zurich. Malgré un bon score il n’a pas réussi à retrouver son siège à l’Assemblée fédérale. Il répond aux questions de l’<i><b>Humanité</b></i>. <p> <i>Quelle est votre appréciation du résultat de ce scrutin?</i> <p><b>Jean Ziegler</b>. C’est assez catastrophique. La démocratie suisse est à bout de souffle. Dans le contexte de capitalisme sauvage de ces dernières années avec une vague inédite de déréglementations, de restructurations, le pays a perdu quelque 300000 emplois en cinq ans. La flexibilité est devenue la règle et on observe une différenciation de plus en plus forte entre les classes les plus riches et les plus pauvres de notre société, 3 % de la population possédant 50 % du patrimoine national. <p> Blocher a profité du désarroi des " petites gens ". Ils voient dans l’habile tribun qu’est Blocher un recours, un personnage qui leur livre des boucs émissaires. En n’hésitant pas à entonner un discours ouvertement xénophobe. <p> <i>Qu’est ce que vous entendez par capitalisme sauvage et crise du système politique suisse? </i> <p><b>Jean Ziegler</b>. Le gouvernement ne peut pas être révoqué par le Parlement. Il n’y a pas de motion de censure. Et l’exécutif ne peut pas renverser l’Assemblée. D’où un système ultraconsensuel, où les principaux partis se partagent les postes au pouvoir. Il n’y a donc pas d’alternance. C’est un système très archaïque où l’État est très faible face aux puissances économiques. <p> Le Parlement lui-même n’est pas un parlement professionnel. Les députés ne sont pas salariés. De ce fait, ceux qui sont élus sont immédiatement tributaires des places qu’on leur offre généreusement dans les conseils d’administration des grandes banques, des groupes industriels. Notre assemblée est ainsi en bonne et due forme colonisée. <p> <i>Comment la Suisse peut-elle se sortir de cette très mauvaise passe? </i> <p><b>Jean Ziegler</b>. J’ai placé mon espoir dans une ouverture à l’Europe. Elle nous contraindrait d’accepter la normalité démocratique européenne. Nous ne sommes pas dans l’UE. Nous ne sommes pas aux Nations unies par crainte de voir disparaître le secret bancaire. On est devenu une sorte de riche Albanie des Alpes. Avec un pays dont les revenus par tête d’habitant sont les plus élevés au monde. <p> Propos recueillis par B. O. (1) <i><b>La Suisse, l’or et les morts</b></i></blockquote> <p>

  10. Wed Dec 29, 2004 3:21 am
    Right on! Thank you Janusz. Canada ought to be a giant version of Switzerland. We need to have a genuine federalism, which means power at the base of society, not at the top. How about granting autonomy to the municipalities and granting them taxing power on the basis of the concept of subsiduarity? It is true we have been burdened by our British heritage - democracy reduced to an elective dictatorship - but isn't it time to change all of this?

  11. Wed Dec 29, 2004 3:29 am
    Not while we live next to the 4th reich.

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    The best argument against democracy is a five minute conversation with the average voter --

    Winston Churchill

  12. Wed Dec 29, 2004 3:44 am
    I get where you are coming from and understand your fears. But you have to trust in the people, who really aren't as stupid as Janusz thinks. Sure there is a minority that would pimp their grandmother, but they are only 26% according to the latest poll. When things are brought down to a local level, "my community", "my neighbors", sort of thing, most people will take what most of us here consider the right position.

  13. Wed Dec 29, 2004 3:52 am
    To add to what I am saying. I have been following Canadian surveys and opinion polls for years and people have progressively taken a more enlightened attitude. Canadians were overwhelmingly opposaed to the Iraq war, favor equality of the sexes, abolition of the insane pot laws, favor the environment, are pro-choice etc, etc. In many ways they are more aware than the elites that dominate them. I have no fear about allowing these people to have a real say in what concerns them, but a good idea would be to include democratization of the media as well, so fewer folks will get brainwashed by the Neocon media.

  14. Wed Dec 29, 2004 4:06 am
    If you look at power struggles power is virtually never given, but is always taken, or more constructively, taken. Canada has a vibrant history of struggle against the powers that be, and we are far better equipped than they, except for the main ingredient perhaps-a sense of community. Coincidentally, americans and canadians poll as being very 'liberal' on most issues, so there's no doubt that our chief obstacle is our government. The question is, how do you change it? I disagree with the above poster who suggested we pick a few 'hot' issues. Canadians overwhelmingly support an elected senate. In the states they did too, yet the federal government did not. How they did it was the people elected senators and sent them to Washington. Enough states did this that the federal government had to recognize it. Here in Canada the provinces acting on gay marriages has forced the federal government to act. In many provinces municipal decisions have forced their provincial governments to act. Act locally. A lot of people have no idea of the things their municipalities are facing and how the federation of municipalities is lobbying for many of the same things canadians find important. I believe this is where democracy will take root, when several municipalities give examples to the rest of the country of how democracy is truly done. This is the only place without party politics and where people at least have the possibility of effecting change. You can go to directdemocracycanada.ca for more reasons and discussion of this.



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