Federal Government Plans To Fight Crime

There is nothing to me more abhorrent than to hear Harper a man who weaselled his way to Sussex Drive through lies and deceit dare to give a speech on the narrow view of crime, unless of course it is to hear his equally bereft of morality supports champion him.
This prig-like selectively moral mind set in no small way give justification to that which he, Harper, identifies as crime.
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There is no question the world is in a high state of dysfunction, a dysfunction coming from the top down and setting an example, as the top is wont to do, to all below these priggish usuptors.
Those with the moral intestinal fortitude of a tyrannosaurs rex are buoyed only by others of similar character, knowingly, or unknowingly.

Then moral compass spins.


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Harper, in lockstep with the US government, will be rescinding the decriminalization of marijuana for personal use, thus denying hope to thousands of sufferers of any number of diseases and afflictions for relief if not a cure, and at the same time, feeding the legal profession with inflated incomes, as these people seek answers in the courts. Idiot!!! Next will be the increased sentences for possession, and the building of "super jails" (concentration camps?).............

Hmmm........Harper?......Hitler?.......

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RickW

"Police state" is not the same as police fighting crime. I wish Harper knew this. His version dosen't include the flexibility of the bill of rights and as Harper would say "The constitution must change." Luckily he has Bush & the Patriot Act, to guide him.

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Can we say this is more out of the fry-pan and into the fire, Dear electorate?

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Real education must ultimately be limited to men who insist on knowing, the rest is mere sheep-herding.
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Right now, Harper is busy marshalling his strategies to gain support for the next election. He has made an overture to the Chinese (traditionally liberal voting),and to Toronto with his law & order speil. He has about two years (?) to do this. So, he CAN be derailed, if the people are not myopic enough they can;t see the important stuff that is happening....like his failure to secure a softwood deal, or the passport thing, and while rescinding the decriminalization of marijuana possession might travel well with the police chiefs, it will lose him the young vote. Stand by for more.......

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RickW

So what is Harper doing that actually ticks you guys off? Let's examine these things, item by item:
1. Rescinding the decriminalization of pot - OK, that one I can see your point. While I personally am not in favour of pot, I do like the idea of fines rather than jail time. So I'll give you all this one.
2. Raising age of consent from 14 to 16 - does ANYONE have an issue with this???? If so, WTF?
3. Minimum sentences for violent crimes and gun crimes - no problem there... anyone?
4. Removing faint hope clause - oh my... murderers may have to serve their full term.
5. Getting rid of double and triple time counting for time served prior to trials - cry me a river. You should serve full time when sentenced. Period.

So there is 1 possible problem out of 5. That's 80% for the good if you like pot. BTW, they are not advocating any new sentencing structure for pot possession... just implementing what is already on the books. So it is still up to judges to sentence and up to cops to charge.

So will everyone who has an issue with the overall package please take a walk through Jane/Finch on a Friday night... or perhaps through the entertainment district on a Saturday. There you will see why items 2-5 are important. And maybe you will question why the Liberals did nothing with respect to reducing crime, especially violent crime, for 13 years.

Don't use logic on them, Micheal. Even if Harper were to do exactally as the people of Canada want, he'd still be a goose stepping Nazi in their eyes.


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LOL.

I just struggle with understanding their point of view sometimes. In this case I think that POV is fairly narrow and specifically aimed at the joints they're smoking.

“So what is Harper doing that actually ticks you guys off?”
Let’s start with his ethics and values.

“There is nothing to me more abhorrent than to hear Harper a man who weaselled his way to Sussex Drive through lies and deceit dares to give a speech on the narrow view of crime, unless of course it is to hear his equally bereft of morality supports champion him.”

Harper came to be in the position he is in through lies and deceit he broke a signed contract at the convention. His start is built on dishonesty
He man has shown himself to be without honour
That alone is enough.
But his supporters sanction deceit, and therefore taken on that which they sanction


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So do you have any problems with items 2-5 then Dio? And wouldn't you say that if these were implemented, we would be better off? Are these items in any way unethical?

I'm very interested as to what problems you have with the actual issues instead of the messenger. Tell us why you oppose upping the age of consent or why you think murderers deserve the faint hope clause or why minimum sentencing for gun crimes is unworkable.

Or if you agree with these items, why do you care that a Con finally put this in place? If the NDP had put this in place I would have been the first to applaud. Speaking of which, the NDP does have some good ideas when it comes to social programs and community programs to dissuade youth from engaging in criminal activity in the first place. Those are things I'd like to see implemented that are not in the Conservative agenda, but should be. If the NDP would work with the CPC to get those implemented as well (say trade off support of the rest of the package with additional funding for community services as a tag along on the bill or budget), then they have risen in my eyes. I doubt Layton has the accumen to pull it off though. He's too short sighted and will force the PC's to the Bloc camp.

to borrow some of Ed's words as i see then fit here "arguing with the faitfull..." well, you get the idea

Harper is dirty, plain and simple!

Harper is no mere messenger.
He is the leader of his party.
A leader who gained his position through deceit,
A leader who recruited an equally dishonest person into his caucus
You choose to see him as only a messenger, and then you sell him short
Some Canadians see him as Bush’s messenger
One of the site owners here for example

As to the questions you pose,
He will have to do some perceived good to appear to be what he is not, won’t he now?


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Real education must ultimately be limited to men who insist on knowing, the rest is mere sheep-herding.
Ezra Pound
The only good is knowledge...

4. Removing faint hope clause <<

Excuse my ignorance but I thought that was already gone. I was under the impression that it was grandfathered in but few prisoners will be able to apply for it.

If Harper can stick with new clauses, then fine and hopefully it will be something we all can live with. But damn him if he's going to rehash what had already been settled. It's getting tiring to have new governments implementing their version every couple of years.

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Well, 2-5 sound great to me, with number 1 being a regressive sacrifice to pacify the banjo brigade, and numbers 2-5 being the icing over the step backwards on the pot laws. I'd like Harper better as bungling, but damn if he isn't pulling the strings just right. It's nice to see that Harper might accomplish some good while guiding us on the path to hell It's not a package deal, just because he has put together a common sense moderate crime tackling policy that I like, doesn't mean I have to endorse the troops being in Afghanistan, or anything else for that matter.

Then don't support those other items. This thread was about crime... and from what I see on that topic, I mostly like it. As for the faint hope clause, it is still active so far as I can tell. The only way around that is to be labelled a "dangerous offender" so you have to serve your full sentence.