Harper On A Roll In Quebec ... And The Dangers Of Playing Politics

Posted on Monday, May 08 at 13:16 by BC Mary
But Harper's basic game plan is essentially the same as Manning's: splinter the country to grab control of it. Therefore he is even more self-serving and destructive than Manning was. It's inconceivable that a prime minister would be setting Canada's two largest provinces against one another -- unless he saw it as a political step up toward a majority government ... voted in by a frightened, confused population. Amongst less thoughtful people, this would be the basis for civil war. Ruthless? There's the $$$ thing, where Ontario contributes $30 billion more in equalization payments than it gets back in benefits. There's the issue of cities being pauperized so that essential infrastructure is falling into disrepair, and social services aren't meeting people's needs. But for sheer ruthless political manipulation, there's nothing so crude as Harper making Ontario's premier wait 3 months for an appointment ... then allowing him only a few furtive moments (photos refused) ... before rushing to Quebec to rejoice for a whole week with Jean Charest (former leader of the 2-person Conservative Party who is now the Liberal premier of Quebec). Chantal Hebert calls him "a remarkable tactician" in the following story. Myself, I fear that Harper is a scheming, dangerous manipulator, just like Preston Manning was, and for the same old Reform Party reasons ... only worse. This guy is shameless. Or how could he have used our Canadian soldiers, sent without debate or vote into the Afghanistan death traps, used them as a stage setting for his alliance with the most hated regime in the world? I hope that George W. Bush's downward spiral hits the ground very soon ... and that Stephen Harper's nasty little dreams go down with him. - BC Mary. ******************************************************************************************* Harper on a roll in Quebec Attracting more mainstream candidates in province could mellow Conservative party's hard-right edges May 8, 2006. Toronto Star. CHANTAL HÉBERT It has to be a new era in Canada when the Prime Minister and the federalist premier of Quebec actually look happy to be together in the same room while the premier of Ontario cannot even get a photo op out of a get-acquainted session with his new federal counterpart. In stark contrast with the furtive atmosphere that presided over Stephen Harper's first meeting with Dalton McGuinty in a Toronto hotel last Thursday, the mood in the Salon Rouge of the National Assembly was positively ebullient the next day at the signing of the first Canada-Quebec agreement of the Conservative mandate. The deal, designed to fulfill Harper's election promise to give Quebec a formal role at UNESCO, was heralded as an occasion to turn the page on the tensions that marred the relationship between the two federalist governments in the recent Liberal era. The irony is that the agreement is one that Paul Martin could just as easily have signed. http://www.thestar.com/NASApp/cs/ContentServer?pagename=thestar/Layout/Article_Type1&c=Article&cid=1146865813638&call_pageid=968256290204&col=968350116795 [Proofreader's note: this article was edited for spelling and typos on May 9, 2006]

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  1. Mon May 08, 2006 9:47 pm
    Thank you for this BC Mary

    especialy the part about mackay, orchard et al

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    The world is a dangerous place, not because of those who do evil, but because of those who look on and do nothing.... : Albert Einstein

  2. Tue May 09, 2006 3:19 am
    This is a very bizarre analysis. The 'strategy' line is often touted out as if politics were some grand game where voters are incidental.

    That's pretty specious saying that Reform wanted to get involved in american wars. The biggest war effort of the mid 90's was Yugoslavia, which the liberals put canada into even though they had a majority. It was completely their decision and had nothing to do with reform.

    Reform was a western movement and clearly stated their intentions on Quebec, since they didn't run candidates there.

    As for Ontario, Harper is not playing off one against another. Like any national party Harper wants all the ridings he can get-that's politics. As for softwood lumber, there is no way of knowing how reform would have acted. As free marketers obviously they want the most open market, the reality is that a lot of people have made a lot of money from trade with the states. It's a case where you have to do what the bigger guy says if you want access to his markets.

  3. Tue May 09, 2006 7:52 am
    I agree with Marcarc, Harper is trying to win ridings....Quebec is where he will get his majority. Ontario and BC (and Montreal) have so many immigrants loyal to the Liberals that the Conservatives did not win ONE seat in any of those 3 cities--that is unheard of.

    Regarding Harper being destructive, maybe, but the Liberals strategy of failing to guarantee French living space did not work.

    Manning is actually, like Mulroney, not big in Harper's books. The reasons the parties were merged was business wanted an alternative to the Liberals--this in the real world was a good and practical thing, though I agree that Orchard had a point he didn't have the clout and Harper outmanauvered him. All politicians do this kind of stuff if they are successful.

    Harper is not a bad guy for trying to win, he simply is being pulled in many directions and actualyl does believe in limited government, for better or worse. He jsut dissed Ontario because they didn't vote for him.



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    Multiculturalism is neither left nor right, but rather a sickening indication of what happens when 'representative government' fails the majority.

  4. Tue May 09, 2006 7:54 am
    In our electoral system, imperfect like any other, Harper is just trying to be shrewd, strategic. the process is more chaotic BC Mary than I think you give it credit for. In a minority Harper is probably going crazy over how annoying it is.

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    Multiculturalism is neither left nor right, but rather a sickening indication of what happens when 'representative government' fails the majority.

  5. Tue May 09, 2006 1:58 pm
    Annoying indeed. To cite from a [link:http://www.vivelecanada.ca/article.php/20060426104544226 recent article by Innes]: <blockquote>Harper's concept of leadership: "If I get a mandate, I'll use the full authority of the office to ensure things go the way I intend them to go." harper believes that "the ends justify the means": the principle behind political posturing and dictatorial leadership. </blockquote> I for one am grateful for now that he is only in a minority government. I look forward to the day that he deburrs his passive aggressive conservative edges and that Canadians finally see through his marketing cloak.

  6. Tue May 09, 2006 5:13 pm
    Hi, Marcarc & Perturbed:

    Did you see The National last evening? Or CTV's Mike Duffy? Or CBC
    Newsworld's Don Newman? Many people are distressed that Harper
    ("as cold-blooded as a snake" said an e.mail to me) is trying to play off
    one province (in which the fool already has 60 seats and could lose
    them) against another (in hopes of getting a few more seats).

    The issue -- thus far -- is self-explanatory. If we can see that the
    leader of a proud nation is willing to run the risk of civil unrest for the
    purpose of re-election ... that's an outrageous abuse of raw power.
    Canadians shouldn't shrink from acknowledging that. Thinking about
    that. And voting accordingly.

    When was the last time a sitting prime minister electioneered for "the
    next premier" of a province (with TV cameras rolling), having just
    snubbed their elected premier? Never. It's lousy statesmanship:
    oxymoronic, something Stockwell Day might do.

    "Perception is everything in politics," they say. Harper forbidding photos
    of the Ontario premier's brief closed-door meeting is certainly one
    perception. The lavish red plush and gold backdrop for the lengthy,
    filmed smarming of the Quebec premier's ceremony was certainly
    intended as perception, too. I'm not making this up. It happened. It was
    carefully planned. Doesn't that tell you something?

  7. Tue May 09, 2006 7:45 pm
    Marcarc & Perturbed:

    Headlines from 2 recent Vive stories:


    Notice how Tory blames McGuinty for blaming Harper. The name-
    blame-game! 4Canada

    May 5, 2006. 05:36 AM
    IAN URQUHART

    After meeting Premier Dalton McGuinty for barely 45 minutes last
    evening, Prime Minister Stephen Harper stepped from his hotel room in
    downtown Toronto to the adjacent convention centre to attend a
    provincial Conservative fundraising dinner.

    At the $750-a-plate dinner, he introduced the main speaker, Ontario
    Conservative Leader John Tory, the man who will try to unseat McGuinty
    in next year's provincial election.

    Harper called Tory "the next premier of Ontario" and declared: "Ontario
    needs John Tory because a strong Canada needs a strong Ontario and
    because John Tory is a nation builder."

    Queen's Park veterans cannot recall a previous prime minister attending
    such a partisan provincial event, least not having a speaking role in it.
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    Prime Minister Harper and Premier Charest sign historic agreement
    establishing a formal role for Québec in UNESCO

    May 5, 2006
    Ottawa, Ontario

    During a ceremony today in the Quebec National Assembly’s Red Room,
    Prime Minister Stephen Harper and Quebec Premier Jean Charest signed
    an agreement establishing a formal role for Quebec in the United
    Nations Educational, Scientific and Cultural Organization.

    “Today we welcome Quebec into the UNESCO family, as we promised we
    would on December 19 of last year,” stated Prime Minister Harper. “With
    our signatures at the bottom of this agreement, Quebec can now
    participate fully in all of UNESCO’s activities, together with and through
    Canada’s Permanent Delegation.

    "This agreement is a clear illustration of our vision of open federalism.
    We are at the dawn of a new era, an era that will see us build a strong,
    united, free and independent Canada in which a confident, autonomous,
    proud and unified Quebec can develop its full potential.”

  8. Wed May 10, 2006 5:00 am
    What did Harper do to pit the provinces against each other again? What did he say?

    I am shocked on the one hand, although after Liberal corruption I don't think it will cause civil unrest as few people care....most are so cynical this might be expected....the Liberals started to ruin Canada and the Conservatives under Mulroney just made it worse....



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    Multiculturalism is neither left nor right, but rather a sickening indication of what happens when 'representative government' fails the majority.

  9. Wed May 10, 2006 5:04 am
    Yeah I agree Harper should shut his mouth and let Ontario decide who to elect.

    Regarding the article, did Harper just use the word "autonomoous Quebec"???! He looks to be continuing Martin's "asymmetrical federalism" but just making it even more "open".

    Also, who the F*** in Quebec cares if they are part of UNESCO or not??? Good grief. Most people don't even know what UNESCO stands for.

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    Multiculturalism is neither left nor right, but rather a sickening indication of what happens when 'representative government' fails the majority.

  10. Thu May 11, 2006 1:49 am
    Hi Perturbed:

    Perception is everything.

    So Harpo lets one guy wait 3 months for a 45-minute first visit in a
    darkened room ...

    Then Harpo spends a week schmoozing another guy in red and gold
    rooms until journalists begin smirking about a same-sex marriage ...

    Perception was everything.

    Also Harpo did say this: that a new guy of his choosing would replace
    the democratically-elected premier of Ontario. Nobody could remember
    such a ham-fisted intrusion into provincial politics ever happening
    before.



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