Al-Qaeda Suspect Arrested In Canada

So way did the U.S. allow him to come to Canada since they had access to him when he had been detained in Pakistan for more than a year and had knowledge of his deeds then?

Why was he not transfered to and held at Guantanamo charged with these crimes?

What point is the U.S. trying to make here?

Of course, we will once again be blamed for terrorists entering the US, when really, the US has no one to blame but themselves. And its another exercise in US fascism transcending borders.

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Dave Ruston

conspiracy to murder a U.S. national outside the U.S.<<

So would the crime be more or less if the conspiracy were held within the country or the U.S. National was in the country? One may think that the Americans consider themselves a protected species, even though a predator. The Americans are the hunter who don't like being hunted.

>> One may think that the Americans consider themselves a protected species<<<

So it is OK when they get killed?

I will have zero problem with this person being arrested if:
he is afforded his rights under the law - international, American and Canadian
he is tried in an open court under long established rules.

If he is packed off for some rendition then we have a problem. If he is sent to some unnamed camp and stripped of his rights under the law then we have a problem. If he is tried outside of the civil court system, then we have a problem.

If the Americans are so sure of their evidence against him, they will have zero problem adhering to these guidelines.

>>conspiracy to murder a U.S. national outside the U.S.<<

"So would the crime be more or less if the conspiracy were held within the country or the U.S. National was in the country?"

It's part of our NATO agreement, that nationals that fire on friendly NATO troops are considered to have commited 'conspiracy to murder'. The same could be said if the soldier had been British or German.

This is for the eventuality that mecenaries holding NATO country passports will be involved in actions against friendly soldiers at some point. They will then be held accountable for firing on an ally.


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"If you must kill a man, it costs you nothing to be polite about it." Winston Churchill

Come on Dave Ruston, if Canada didn't have a multicultural immigration policy these terrorists would never have been here in the first place. All western nations are guilty of this.

The rationally skeptical question
to ask, if you are pro-liberty, is...

1) How many innocent people have been detained
since 911, in Guantanamo, and in secret
international CIA prisons, under the guise
of "security" and "percieved threat" ?
How many of those detainees (prisoners)
have been imprisoned for having differing
views from the Bush administration.
Heck, they monitored and infiltrated many
if not all anti-war people and organizations.
There's likely 1000's upon 1000's.Many
tortured.Their liberties destroyed.


Right-wing republican wacko's are always the same.
Polarize and persecute.Commence the witch-hunt
and the lynch-mob frenzy.Yer either with
us or against us.It happened with Mccarthyism,
Vietnam, Janet Jackson's nipple, Marc Emery
and now terrorists.

Even if the guy is guilty, many other *innocent*
people have been trampled on during the
WACKO Right-Wing Republican Rampage.

A gov't is never morally entitled to violate
the rights of many while intending to
locate and prosecute the guilty few.

Yes, anon above, I do agree with you on that, but all I`m pointing out is that after 911 the US refused to take its share of the responsibility (in more ways than one) and right off the bat, they pointed the finger at Canada for letting in those 'terrorist killers' and resorted to calling us Soviet Canuckistan. No need to look in the mirror and acknowledge that these people were allowed to come to the US to learn how to fly! I mean, yeah, I do criticize the Canadian government for letting in 250,000-300,000 immigrants per year. I mean, obviously, we could not possibly screen all of these people well enough! Not to mention, the US fails to look at its own foreign policy. When and where Canada is to blame, I don`t pretend that Canada doesn`t do anything wrong. Quite the contrary. If you look at this site, we spend a lot of time slamming our own government for many issues! And you can bet that if say for example, France resumed nuclear testing in the Pacific, then we`d have something to say about that too.

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Dave Ruston

Let us not forget, Dave, that the US accusation that the 911 "terrorists" entered the USA through Canada have been proven utterly baseless. None of them entered the US from Canada.

Absolument!

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Dave Ruston

postee asks........What point is the U.S. trying to make here?<br />
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somebody forgot to mention our politicians are terrorrists also for allowing young children to be tortured, and are patsies for the Americans............our politicians have no balls...they are two faced when it comes to truth<br />
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US Holding Children in Prison Camps as POW's<br />
December 18, 2005<br />
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I started reading former President Jimmy Carter's new book, "Our Endangered Values". In it, he revealed something that is absolutely horrifying--the US is holding children as young as 8 years of age who have been captured in Afghanistan and Iraq in prison camps--namely, the one in Guantanamo, Cuba. Worse yet, Donald Rumsfeld knew about it. Read a short excerpt below:<br />
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After visiting six of the twenty-five or so U.S. prisons, the International Committee of the Red Cross reported registering 107 detainess under eighteen, some as young as eight years old. The Journalist Seymour Hersh reported in May 2005 that Defense Secretaary Donald Rumsfeld had recieve a report that there were "800-900 Pakistani boys age 13-15 in custody." The International Red Cross, Amnesty International, and thePentagon have gathered substantial testimony of torture of children ( emphasis mine), confirmed by soldiers who witnessed or participated in the abuse. In addition to personal testimony from children about physical and mental mistreatment, a report from Brigadier General Janis Karpinski, formerly in charge of Abu Ghraib, described a visit to an eleven year old detainee in the cell block that housed high risk prisoners. The general recalled that the child was weeping, and "he told me he was almost twelve," and that "he really wanted to see his mother, could he please call his mother." Children like this eleven year old have been denied the right to see their parents, a lawyer, or anyone else, and were not told why they were detained. A Pentagon spokesman told Mr. Hersh that "age is not a determining factor in detention."<br />
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This is an absolute outrage. How could any normal, sane person ever, ever in their lives even think about torturing a child? That our own military could engage in such acts of evil, sadistic brutality--AGAINST CHILDREN--is almost too horrible to even think about.<br />
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Every single sick SOB who had a part in this needs to be sent to prison for the rest of their lives, including Rumsfeld.<br />
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Reports like this help to illustrate why torture is wrong--the kind of people who will actually do it are the lowest, sickest breed of human beings--the kind who have no moral qualms about inflicting abuse on anyone--regardless of age, or any other factor.<br />
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UPDATE TO THIS POST:<br />
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Here is an excerpt from this article published at the Scottish newspaper Sunday Herald <<a href="http://www.sundayherald.com/43796>">http://www.sundayherald.com/43796></a>;:<br />
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It was early last October that Kasim Mehaddi Hilas says he witnessed the rape of a boy prisoner aged about 15 in the notorious Abu Ghraib prison in Iraq. "The kid was hurting very bad and they covered all the doors with sheets," he said in a statement given to investigators probing prisoner abuse in Abu Ghraib. "Then, when I heard the screaming I climbed the door … and I saw [the soldier’s name is deleted] who was wearing a military uniform." Hilas, who was himself threatened with being sexually assaulted in Abu Graib, then describes in horrific detail how the soldier raped "the little kid".<br />
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In another witness statement, passed to the Sunday Herald, former prisoner Thaar Salman Dawod said: "[I saw] two boys naked and they were cuffed together face to face and [a US soldier] was beating them and a group of guards were watching and taking pictures and there was three female soldiers laughing at the prisoners The prisoners, two of them, were young."<br />
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Prisoners at Abu Ghraib Said Included Kids <br />
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<<a href="http://www.truthout.org/cgi-bin/artman/exec/view.cgi/37/9565>">http://www.truthout.org/cgi-bin/artman/exec/view.cgi/37/9565></a>;<br />
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he knows because he *personally* interviewed their charred corpses (eh) ...well, I'll be...PatM(ypointyheadeh) is still creeping within ...

>> Let us not forget, Dave, that the US accusation that the 911 "terrorists" entered the USA through Canada have been proven utterly baseless. None of them entered the US from Canada.<br />
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>>Absolument!<<<<br />
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I guess your media didn’t tell you about Ahmed Ressam.<br />
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>>“Ahmed Ressam aka The Millennium Bomber" was convicted and given a prison sentence of 22 years in a plot to bomb LAX on New Year's Eve 1999.<br />
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Ressam was born in Algeria. In 1994 he obtained a falsified passport and applied for political asylum in Canada, making up a story about persecution in Algeria. After settling in Montreal, he became a small-time criminal. At some point, he was recruited into al-Qaida.<<<br />
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A terrorist, recruited in Canada by the al-Qaida cell in Montreal. <br />
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>>“. The perpetrator, Ahmed Ressam, was a member of a large North African jihadist network composed of veterans of the Afghan and Bosnian wars. While based in Montreal, the network stretched across Canada and the United States, and had links to Islamist networks operating in Europe, the Balkans and the Caucasus.”<br />
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“MONTREAL, January 1995 — Although he had rarely attended services back in Bou Ismail, Ahmed Ressam found the Masjid as-Salam mosque here a good place to meet people.<br />
He befriended both struggling immigrants like himself and successful, confident Muslims who had woven their way into the fabric of French-Canadian culture. Men such as Fateh Kamel, an Algerian who had married a Canadian and was a naturalized citizen.”<br />
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<a href="http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/news/nation-world/terroristwithin/chapter6.html">http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/news/nation-world/terroristwithin/chapter6.html</a><br />
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Maybe the next terrorist that comes down from Canada will be successful, as some here have openly rooted for. <br />