[Note: The following commentary is based on returns at 1:00am EST, January 24, 2006.]
The chief victims of the January 23 federal election were:
# Western Liberals: In the prairie provinces, Conservatives got three times as many votes as Liberals did, but won nearly ten times as many seats. In Alberta, the Conservative Party won 100% of the seats with 65% of the votes. The 500,000 Albertans who voted otherwise elected no one.
# Urban Conservatives: The 400,000-plus Conservative voters in Toronto, Montreal, and Vancouver should have been able to elect about nine MPs, but instead elected no one. The three cities together will not have a single MP in the governing caucus, let alone the cabinet.
# New Democrats: The NDP attracted a million more votes than the Bloc, but the voting system gave the Bloc 51 seats, the NDP 29. Nearly 18% of Canadians voted NDP, but the party won less than 10% of the seats and does not hold the balance of power, unlike the Liberals and the Bloc.
# Green Party: More than 650,000 Green Party voters across the country elected no one, while 475,000 Liberal voters in Atlantic Canada elected 20 MPs.
# Federalists and nationalists: As usual, the voting system turned entire regions of Canada into partisan fiefdoms, rather than allowing the diversity of views in all regions to be fairly represented in Parliament and within each national party.
"How can anyone continue to think that this voting system gives us good geographic representation," said Wayne Smith, President of Fair Vote Canada, "when it fragments and divides our country like this?"
"Had results been fair, it is possible that we may have even seen a different government," said Smith. "The Liberals, NDP, and Greens represent a majority, and together they would have held a majority of seats."
Had the same votes been cast under a proportional voting system, Fair Vote Canada projected that the seats allocation would have been approximately as follows:
# Conservatives - 36.3% of the popular vote: 113 seats (not 124)
# Liberals - 30.1% of the popular vote: 93 seats (not 103)
# NDP - 17.5% of the popular vote: 59 seats (not 29)
# Bloc - 10.5% of the popular vote: 31 seats (not 51)
# Greens - 4.5% of the popular vote: 12 seats (not 0)
However, Smith emphasized that speculation should be tempered.
"With a different voting system, people would have voted differently," he said. "There would have been no need for strategic voting. We would likely have seen higher voter turnout. We would have had different candidates - more women, and more diversity of all kinds. We would have had more real choices."
"The voting system really matters – a lot – and the system we have is simply not acceptable in a modern democracy."
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Rather than bitching about how unfair this system is, please tell me how we are going to bring about the changes millions of Canadian want?
All I can say is this is, if the Conservatives and the NDP are true to their word, then we should see legislation that will open the door to reforms and proportional representation, within this sitting of Parliament.
On the other hand if there is no movement in the early stage of this Parliament, then you can bet that the good old party system and first past the post will be staying.
So then what?
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So, how do you suggest making voting reform happen? We could potentially set up an email campaign for it; what else would work?
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Listen I am up for anything that is outside the party box, if fairvote Canada is backed by a union or a wing of some political party forget it.
So who is fairvote canada and who started it ? Lets have some accountability form this movement, if they are looking out for the electorial process.
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Every time I turn around and look at these political groups , I find a dam union with its foot stuck in the door. It all about control .
I think I stick with the group I belong to now and work on my own submission.
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"There is no reason good can't triumph over evil, if only angels will get organized along the lines of the mafia."
Kurt Vonnegut
regional representation being fair as well. Obviously, the Urban centers
overwhelmingly vote progressive and this is indicative of the negligent
attitude the conservatives classically take towards cities.
That said, it's fair to say that if 400,000 people in Toronto voted conservative,
they should get some representation.
In the Irish style system, we would have a "toronto" district and the district
would send a proportional amount of MP's to the house (as I understand it).
That said, in a city as big as Toronto, the district surely would include enough
seats that if the Green's receive 5% of the vote, they get at least one seat.
But what happens in a district like Haliburton or Yellowknife? If there isn't
enough population to justify seats in the district, the 5% of the green vote is
still wasted as surely you can't assign the green one of the small number of
district seats. Do we just keep making the districts bigger until we can fairly
assign seats? What happens if we can't do this without crossing culturual
boundries?
Do you have a 'non regional spill-over pool' to accommodate this? This seems
logical, but the notion of having MP's sitting that don't strictly represent any
region is fairly questionable.
My point is simply that proportional representation, while still an
improvement, isn't the cure-all for our electoral woes. This isn't a reason not
to move in this direction, but is obviously a reason to be intelligent about
how we do so... especially in a country as culturally fragmented as Canada.
word, then we should see legislation that will open the door to reforms and
proportional representation, within this sitting of Parliament. "
The Conservatives will never support this, now that they hold the largest
share of seats. It was convenient for them to preach proportional
representation before (though they barely do), but it isn't now.
The Grit's will never support this because they're Canada's government,
clasically. Why do they care when they usually hold a majority? Like the Bloc
(and the Conservatives, as of today), proportional representation means less
seats for them.
This leaves the NDP and the Greens, who lack the political power to deal with
this problem. That said, I'm still convinced the NDP talk a good game but
would never actually fix the problem if given the chance. Like conservatives
and abortion, this is an election issue they bring out to flog and often win
votes with it.
It will not change under the party system because those who get power thanks to the way most vote, know full well that the majority of Canadians who vote are so dumbed down to following the party system and the family tradition, their system is secure.
So you see voting in a party system does not really improve the democratic electorial structure, but really shows support for it. This is why I feel my choice not to vote, I did the right thing, I am not going to support something that needs fixed.
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Ed has asked you
I have asked you
don't vote is the sum of your... 'wisdom?'
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"There is no reason good can't triumph over evil, if only angels will get organized along the lines of the mafia."
Kurt Vonnegut
Well the DRN how would you address the problem from you angle. What do you consider as some key faction in bringing about change? I like to see PR and maybe a mixed system along the line of Scotland, but how do we force a system that does not have the will of the parties who benefit from how it, to bring about change ?
It is great democracy isn't it?
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regional representation being fair as well."
Many folks have posted opinions on this site supporting electoral reform / proportional representation and it seems to me that none of us has really said what we mean by this. It would seem to me that proportional representation (should it come to be) in this country must be tempered by some kind of safeguards to ensure that regional representation remains part of the equation. With this second minority government is there a real opportunity to start some discussion as to exactly how the system should be reformed. Is there a desire of those on this site to have a serious and reasonable discussion as to what a revised voting system should look like?
At first glance it would seem to me that our country is already split into regions, we call them provinces, can we not use the provincial system to in turn decide the federal control of the country, either directly by the people or indirectly via our elected provincial governments. One of the problems is of course, that our populations are very regionalized with so many of us jammed into Toronto, Ontario & Quebec that the remainder get lost in the shuffle. Take a look at our census figures before you say proportional voting with no safeguards is ok. This makes strictly proportional representation on a Canada wide basis without some additional factors in place totally unacceptable (at least to me) so how do you see an proportional electoral system working in Canada? What safeguards would you put in place to ensure regional, ethnic, rural, urban, provincial and other concerns are recognized in a new system.
We do a great deal of opinionating on this site is anyone interested in getting down to the real bones of how EXACTLY such a system would look, who knows perhaps some of those who are supposed to represent us in Ottawa may actually listen if they see concrete proposals. Perhaps we do not have to reinvent the wheel is there a country out there with a better way of electing democratic governments, will it work for us, what are the details, the good and the bad of those systems?
Anyone up for this?
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"With this second minority government is there a real opportunity to start some discussion as to exactly how the system should be reformed. Is there a desire of those on this site to have a serious and reasonable discussion as to what a revised voting system should look like?"
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It is a great idea , the group I belong to has been researching a few different styles of governing system in the world.
I belong to a small group from Nova Scotia who have been together since 2002. The parent of the group is located in Ontario, each provincial wing of the main group are asigned projects.
The NS group are studying the governing system in Scotland, I communicate with citizens in Scotland who keep me up to date on the growing pains of their new system and so goes the battle.
Why reinvent the wheel , why not take the best spoke from that wheel and apply it to something that "could" work here in Canada?
The person in my group will at the end of the day bring together all information collected , then those who are better written, will draft the final submission.
That our plan.
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All the Libs, and NDP have to do is offer it up in return for supporting something the Cons want. As long as the trade off is not detrimental to Canadians as a whole, we should push these parties to make it happen.
Let us not forget some Cons are also for electoral reform.
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If there was ever a time for Canadians to become pushy - now is the time - for time is running out on this nation called Canada.
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Are you asking the parties to put in place the vehicle which will take presentation for all Canadians who are interested is seeing reforms? I hope you are not willing to leave it up to the very people who benefit from the system as it is now. <br />
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Maybe the second house of sober though could get involved as well.. something like a traveling senate committee. <br />
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Prince Edward Island held a the plebiscite vote on a Mixed Member Proportional Representation System , the problem with that vote was the politicians placed the acceptance bar at 60% . I asked Saint Mary’s political science Professor Leonard Pryra , why it failed and he said they wanted it to, that why they set the bar so high. <br />
I am going to provide this website so other can take a read, it covers the plebiscite process, it might be of some assistance.<br />
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<a href="http://www.electionspei.ca/plebiscites/pr/index.php">http://www.electionspei.ca/plebiscites/pr/index.php</a> <br />
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